Who are the Israelis?

[rylah]

Message for Purim - Rabbi Zamir Cohen (with English Subtitles)

cc for subtitles

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who are the Israelis?
※→ et al,

Of course, I preface this comment with the caveat that this is strictly an internal domestic Israeli matter. People like myself have no dog in the fight.

Brig. Gen. Ret. Ram Shmueli, Candidate for Knesset with the Kulanu Party

(COMMENT)

The Likud Party (Netanyahu), while it preaches "conservatism" views at the party platform centered on national and economic liberalistic level → and is actually a "Right-wing" (some say Ultra-Right).

BG Ram Shmueli (Ret IDF) is not a fan of unbridled Zionism. → The Kulanu Party is leaning that way showing some signs of sympathy for a Two-State Solution. But, for that to be even remotely successful, the Israelis are going to have to come to grips with the idea that it must relinquish more than just Area "A" and the Gaza Strip. It means that some compromise in the way of territorial control and concessions must be considered.

It is my opinion that a cooperative effort between the Likud and Kulanu Parties will only be a matter of convenience. It will break-down when it comes to toxic matters like Zionism.

Just my 200 Indonesian Rupiah worth of Reflection,
Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who are the Israelis?
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

We are "American!" And in that sense, we all share that.

Irrelevant post. Do the people in the US have a commonly shared definition of themselves?

(COMMENT)

But I take "Surveys" online quite a bit (generally one day). And they are able to ask the question:

The first question can be a simple Yes/No radio button; the second should include these commonly accepted options:

• American Indian or Alaska Native
• Asian
• Black or African American
• Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander
• White
• Other

So we also are able to fit ourselves into nice neat little sub-categories of American. The same can be said for the Age, Education, and Marital Status.

The Israels can also do the same with their Demographic data collection. And the same can be done in surveys concerning policies and politics.

Most Respectfully,
R

We are "American!" And in that sense, we all share that.

And they are all Palestinians. They all share that.

Actually, no. Both Islamic terrorist franchises of Hamas and Islamic gee-had have alliances with Iran.

So?

Such impressive concision.

The invention of “Pal’istanian” has much much to do with Pan-Arab’ism than it is a colloquial, regional term. The PLO charter identifies the regional Arabs as little more than a part of “Arab’ism” as a politico-religious ideology.

My clear impression is that the mini-caliphates of Gaza’istan and the West Bank are much less “Pal’istanian” (even as viewed by the Arab-Moslem world), and more as proxies of Iran to be used as regional flails against Israel.

It’s interesting to note that alliances are solely shifting, Arabs have an interest in, at the very least, not completely alienating Israel as Iran is seen by the Sunni Arabs as a looming threat.

The treatment of those calling themselves “Pal’istanian”, as demonstrated by neighboring nations to include Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, etc., should give even someone like you a clue as to the indifference for “Pal’istanians” held by Arabs-Moslems in the region.

The Palestinians received Palestinian citizenship, by international law, in1924.

The tie that binds.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who are the Israelis?
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The Arab Palestinians (West Bank and Gaza Strip inhabitance as a collective) seem to be picking up their own individual identity.

In the beginning, we generally referred to the violence in the Middle East as the "the Arab-Israeli conflict since 1946." The conflict has irreparably harmed the regional Arab constituency

A comprehensive database with full-text documentation of the role of the United Nations system and other international and non-governmental organizations relevant to the Question of Palestine and the Arab-Israeli conflict since 1946 is available, with a directory of linked sites, at UNISPAL-United Nations Information System on the Question of Palestine.

SOURCE: [link] Last Sentence from the Forward of The Question of Palestine and the United Nations •
​

◈ And it was not all that uncommon as to refer to the people as: "Arab inhabitants of Palestine"

◈ And it was generally referred to (in theat same time frame) as: The Jewish case was presented by the Jewish Agency for Palestine, while the Arab Higher Committee spoke for the Palestinian Arabs.​

We are "American!" And in that sense, we all share that.

And they are all Palestinians. They all share that.

(COMMENT)

As an outside observer, I am beginning to see a distinction being made between the "Arab inhabitants of Palestine" seeing themselves as:

◈ Arab Palestinians (AKA: Arab Palestinian)
.................................AND
◈ Palestinians (meaning the people of the West Bank) or Gazans (meaning the people of the Gaza Strip)​

I say this → only because, at a distance, it would appear that the "Arab inhabitants of Palestine" is beginning to leave behind the association of "Arab" and adopting their own identity: "Palestinian" and "Gazan." → This is not so dissimilar, yet not quite the same as the nomadic Bedouin (Bedu) that see themselves as a desert people more than they do as Arabs. And the "Arab inhabitants of Palestine" are in bed with the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps (of the Islamic Republic) which drives yet the wedge further between the "Arab inhabitants of Palestine" and the community of "Arabs."

Most Respectfully,
R

A rose by any other name...

You meant to write, “an islsmic terrorist by any other name”.

No, terrorist is an Israeli name calling thing.

 

[rylah]

RE: Who are the Israelis?
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

We are "American!" And in that sense, we all share that.

(COMMENT)

But I take "Surveys" online quite a bit (generally one day). And they are able to ask the question:

The first question can be a simple Yes/No radio button; the second should include these commonly accepted options:

• American Indian or Alaska Native
• Asian
• Black or African American
• Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander
• White
• Other

So we also are able to fit ourselves into nice neat little sub-categories of American. The same can be said for the Age, Education, and Marital Status.

The Israels can also do the same with their Demographic data collection. And the same can be done in surveys concerning policies and politics.

Most Respectfully,
R

We are "American!" And in that sense, we all share that.

And they are all Palestinians. They all share that.

Actually, no. Both Islamic terrorist franchises of Hamas and Islamic gee-had have alliances with Iran.

So?

Such impressive concision.

The invention of “Pal’istanian” has much much to do with Pan-Arab’ism than it is a colloquial, regional term. The PLO charter identifies the regional Arabs as little more than a part of “Arab’ism” as a politico-religious ideology.

My clear impression is that the mini-caliphates of Gaza’istan and the West Bank are much less “Pal’istanian” (even as viewed by the Arab-Moslem world), and more as proxies of Iran to be used as regional flails against Israel.

It’s interesting to note that alliances are solely shifting, Arabs have an interest in, at the very least, not completely alienating Israel as Iran is seen by the Sunni Arabs as a looming threat.

The treatment of those calling themselves “Pal’istanian”, as demonstrated by neighboring nations to include Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, etc., should give even someone like you a clue as to the indifference for “Pal’istanians” held by Arabs-Moslems in the region.

The Palestinians received Palestinian citizenship, by international law, in1924.

The tie that binds.

By 1924 international law already defined Palestine a Jewish sovereign land.
At the same time Arabs attempted to cede the land to an Arabian king from Mecca, and didn't identify as Palestinians for another 4 decades after that.

Simultaneously Arabs started an anti-Jewish boycott, calling it boycott of Palestine and Palestinians,
wonder whom they've excluded from that category?

 

[Mindful]

RE: Who are the Israelis?
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The Arab Palestinians (West Bank and Gaza Strip inhabitance as a collective) seem to be picking up their own individual identity.

In the beginning, we generally referred to the violence in the Middle East as the "the Arab-Israeli conflict since 1946." The conflict has irreparably harmed the regional Arab constituency

A comprehensive database with full-text documentation of the role of the United Nations system and other international and non-governmental organizations relevant to the Question of Palestine and the Arab-Israeli conflict since 1946 is available, with a directory of linked sites, at UNISPAL-United Nations Information System on the Question of Palestine.

SOURCE: [link] Last Sentence from the Forward of The Question of Palestine and the United Nations •
​

◈ And it was not all that uncommon as to refer to the people as: "Arab inhabitants of Palestine"

◈ And it was generally referred to (in theat same time frame) as: The Jewish case was presented by the Jewish Agency for Palestine, while the Arab Higher Committee spoke for the Palestinian Arabs.​

We are "American!" And in that sense, we all share that.

And they are all Palestinians. They all share that.

(COMMENT)

As an outside observer, I am beginning to see a distinction being made between the "Arab inhabitants of Palestine" seeing themselves as:

◈ Arab Palestinians (AKA: Arab Palestinian)
.................................AND
◈ Palestinians (meaning the people of the West Bank) or Gazans (meaning the people of the Gaza Strip)​

I say this → only because, at a distance, it would appear that the "Arab inhabitants of Palestine" is beginning to leave behind the association of "Arab" and adopting their own identity: "Palestinian" and "Gazan." → This is not so dissimilar, yet not quite the same as the nomadic Bedouin (Bedu) that see themselves as a desert people more than they do as Arabs. And the "Arab inhabitants of Palestine" are in bed with the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps (of the Islamic Republic) which drives yet the wedge further between the "Arab inhabitants of Palestine" and the community of "Arabs."

Most Respectfully,
R

A rose by any other name...

You meant to write, “an islsmic terrorist by any other name”.

No, terrorist is an Israeli name calling thing.

Why do other countries use that term?

 

[Mindful]

RE: Who are the Israelis?
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

We are "American!" And in that sense, we all share that.

(COMMENT)

But I take "Surveys" online quite a bit (generally one day). And they are able to ask the question:

The first question can be a simple Yes/No radio button; the second should include these commonly accepted options:

• American Indian or Alaska Native
• Asian
• Black or African American
• Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander
• White
• Other

So we also are able to fit ourselves into nice neat little sub-categories of American. The same can be said for the Age, Education, and Marital Status.

The Israels can also do the same with their Demographic data collection. And the same can be done in surveys concerning policies and politics.

Most Respectfully,
R

We are "American!" And in that sense, we all share that.

And they are all Palestinians. They all share that.

Actually, no. Both Islamic terrorist franchises of Hamas and Islamic gee-had have alliances with Iran.

So?

Such impressive concision.

The invention of “Pal’istanian” has much much to do with Pan-Arab’ism than it is a colloquial, regional term. The PLO charter identifies the regional Arabs as little more than a part of “Arab’ism” as a politico-religious ideology.

My clear impression is that the mini-caliphates of Gaza’istan and the West Bank are much less “Pal’istanian” (even as viewed by the Arab-Moslem world), and more as proxies of Iran to be used as regional flails against Israel.

It’s interesting to note that alliances are solely shifting, Arabs have an interest in, at the very least, not completely alienating Israel as Iran is seen by the Sunni Arabs as a looming threat.

The treatment of those calling themselves “Pal’istanian”, as demonstrated by neighboring nations to include Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, etc., should give even someone like you a clue as to the indifference for “Pal’istanians” held by Arabs-Moslems in the region.

The Palestinians received Palestinian citizenship, by international law, in1924.

The tie that binds.

Do you do this stuff just to annoy?

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by SR Silverburg · 1977 · Cited by 14 · Related articles.


The Palestine Liberation Organization in the United Nations: Implications for International Law and ... Transjordanian legislation granted citizenship only to those who resided in Transjordan in 1924.
Judicial Interpretation of the Mandate

 

[rylah]

RE: Who are the Israelis?
※→ et al,

Of course, I preface this comment with the caveat that this is strictly an internal domestic Israeli matter. People like myself have no dog in the fight.

Brig. Gen. Ret. Ram Shmueli, Candidate for Knesset with the Kulanu Party

(COMMENT)

The Likud Party (Netanyahu), while it preaches "conservatism" views at the party platform centered on national and economic liberalistic level → and is actually a "Right-wing" (some say Ultra-Right).

BG Ram Shmueli (Ret IDF) is not a fan of unbridled Zionism. → The Kulanu Party is leaning that way showing some signs of sympathy for a Two-State Solution. But, for that to be even remotely successful, the Israelis are going to have to come to grips with the idea that it must relinquish more than just Area "A" and the Gaza Strip. It means that some compromise in the way of territorial control and concessions must be considered.

It is my opinion that a cooperative effort between the Likud and Kulanu Parties will only be a matter of convenience. It will break-down when it comes to toxic matters like Zionism.

Just my 200 Indonesian Rupiah worth of Reflection,
Most Respectfully,
R

Thank You for the respect, appreciate it,
people usually just tell Israelis what we should do as if they were no less than a PM.

As far as I understand, Kulanu are more focused on the social issues, in the spirit of the socialist Zionist parties that ruled during the reestablishment of the state. It is curious that much of left-wing positions during those times would be considered mostly right-wing in today's lexicon.

If we look broader, in the Israeli comedy, the right-wing has always relinquished lands, while the left won the major wars. Same with Likud, statements are right wing, actions are at best centrist and in key issues leftist.
Netanyahu voted for the disengagement, gave up Hebron and backpedaled on the metal detectors on the Temple Mount, and most importantly never refrained from his speech at the Bar-Ilan university regarding 2 states.

It's not as simple as it looks at face value.
As regarding concessions, indeed there's much concern, and we know it's hovering above our head - another Oslo. In my opinion, this will be the last attempt, an have an opposite effect until Jewish demographics take their toll in the next elections, solidifying the position of the smaller and younger parties.

The left and right are heading towards ideological unification, with differences becoming less and less clear minus the clearly ideologically defined margin parties, one can see it in these very elections.

 

[Mindful]

RE: Who are the Israelis?
※→ et al,

Of course, I preface this comment with the caveat that this is strictly an internal domestic Israeli matter. People like myself have no dog in the fight.

Brig. Gen. Ret. Ram Shmueli, Candidate for Knesset with the Kulanu Party

(COMMENT)

The Likud Party (Netanyahu), while it preaches "conservatism" views at the party platform centered on national and economic liberalistic level → and is actually a "Right-wing" (some say Ultra-Right).

BG Ram Shmueli (Ret IDF) is not a fan of unbridled Zionism. → The Kulanu Party is leaning that way showing some signs of sympathy for a Two-State Solution. But, for that to be even remotely successful, the Israelis are going to have to come to grips with the idea that it must relinquish more than just Area "A" and the Gaza Strip. It means that some compromise in the way of territorial control and concessions must be considered.

It is my opinion that a cooperative effort between the Likud and Kulanu Parties will only be a matter of convenience. It will break-down when it comes to toxic matters like Zionism.

Just my 200 Indonesian Rupiah worth of Reflection,
Most Respectfully,
R

Thank You for the respect, appreciate it,
people usually just tell Israelis what we should do as if they were no less than a PM.

As far as I understand, Kulanu are more focused on the social issues, in the spirit of the socialist Zionist parties that ruled during the reestablishment of the state. It is curious that much of left-wing positions during those times would be considered mostly right-wing in today's lexicon.

If we look broader, in the Israeli comedy, the right-wing has always relinquished lands, while the left won the major wars. Same with Likud, statements are right wing, actions are at best centrist and in key issues leftist.
Netanyahu voted for the disengagement, gave up Hebron and backpedaled on the metal detectors on the Temple Mount, and most importantly never refrained from his speech at the Bar-Ilan university regarding 2 states.

It's not as simple as it looks at face value.

This is what annoys me, more than almost anything.

People around the world poniticating about the Israelis, telling them what they should do, as if they have the status of the Jews of Nazi Europe.

No rights or standing in the world. Not much has changed.

And an almost schizophrenic attitude towards the Holocaust,

 

[Mindful]

Algemeiner reports:

Two Israelis were among those killed in the crash of an Ethiopian Airlines jet near the capital Addis Ababa on Sunday.

The Foreign Ministry confirmed the deaths of the two passengers, who have not yet been publicly named, Israel’s Channel 2 reported. None of the 149 passengers and 8 crew members aboard the flight survived the crash. The cause of the incident has not yet been confirmed.

 

[rylah]

RE: Who are the Israelis?
※→ et al,

Of course, I preface this comment with the caveat that this is strictly an internal domestic Israeli matter. People like myself have no dog in the fight.

Brig. Gen. Ret. Ram Shmueli, Candidate for Knesset with the Kulanu Party

(COMMENT)

The Likud Party (Netanyahu), while it preaches "conservatism" views at the party platform centered on national and economic liberalistic level → and is actually a "Right-wing" (some say Ultra-Right).

BG Ram Shmueli (Ret IDF) is not a fan of unbridled Zionism. → The Kulanu Party is leaning that way showing some signs of sympathy for a Two-State Solution. But, for that to be even remotely successful, the Israelis are going to have to come to grips with the idea that it must relinquish more than just Area "A" and the Gaza Strip. It means that some compromise in the way of territorial control and concessions must be considered.

It is my opinion that a cooperative effort between the Likud and Kulanu Parties will only be a matter of convenience. It will break-down when it comes to toxic matters like Zionism.

Just my 200 Indonesian Rupiah worth of Reflection,
Most Respectfully,
R

Thank You for the respect, appreciate it,
people usually just tell Israelis what we should do as if they were no less than a PM.

As far as I understand, Kulanu are more focused on the social issues, in the spirit of the socialist Zionist parties that ruled during the reestablishment of the state. It is curious that much of left-wing positions during those times would be considered mostly right-wing in today's lexicon.

If we look broader, in the Israeli comedy, the right-wing has always relinquished lands, while the left won the major wars. Same with Likud, statements are right wing, actions are at best centrist and in key issues leftist.
Netanyahu voted for the disengagement, gave up Hebron and backpedaled on the metal detectors on the Temple Mount, and most importantly never refrained from his speech at the Bar-Ilan university regarding 2 states.

It's not as simple as it looks at face value.

This is what annoys me, more than almost anything.

People around the world poniticating about the Israelis, telling them what they should do, as if they have the status of the Jews of Nazi Europe.

No rights or standing in the world. Not much has changed.

And an almost schizophrenic attitude towards the Holocaust,

It is annoying HOW they do it.
They can't quiet comprehend us, not confident regarding their own future but expect our leadership to follow unprecedented standards.

It's like an abuser cry for help, we're the last resort before the King.
"Jews, where's Your Messiah ? Haven't we attacked You enough?"

 

[rylah]

Purim - Am I where I am supposed to be? - Rabbi Alon Anava

We all go through many changes in our life. Once we're up and once we're down and more than that, we often find ourselves wondering if we're where we are suppose to be or maybe I should move somewhere else, learn something else, have a different job and many more questions of this kind. In Megilat Esther the answer to all that is hidden...

 

[Mindful]

Purim - Am I where I am supposed to be? - Rabbi Alon Anava

We all go through many changes in our life. Once we're up and once we're down and more than that, we often find ourselves wondering if we're where we are suppose to be or maybe I should move somewhere else, learn something else, have a different job and many more questions of this kind. In Megilat Esther the answer to all that is hidden...

That resonates.

 

[Mindful]

Adar II 4

Yahrzeit of Menachem Begin (1913-1992), prime minister of Israel. Prior to the creation of the state, Begin became leader of the Irgun and used militant means to force the British government to withdraw from Palestine. In the Knesset, Begin led the opposition party for decades, before being elected prime minister in 1977. Begin negotiated the Camp David Accords with Anwar Sadat of Egypt, for which he was awarded the 1978 Nobel Peace Prize. Begin is also remembered for his conviction to Jewish tradition (he was known to consult with great rabbis and to walk to meetings on Shabbat), and his resolve to defend the Jewish people from another Holocaust (Begin had lost his parents and a brother to the Nazis), which factored greatly in his decision to bomb the Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981)

 

[Mindful]

 

[rylah]

BS"D

7th of Adar - Hilulah of Moshe Rabenu A'H

Live from Yeted Tshuvah institutions, Israel

 

[rylah]

BS"D

Hidden But Present
Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 8:48 pm |

From Parashas Shemos, when we learn about the birth of Moshe Rabbeinu, through Parashas Zos Habrachah at the very end of sefer Devarim, Moshe Rabbeinu’s name is mentioned numerous times in every parashah — with one notable exception: Parashas Tetzaveh.

The most frequently quoted explanation for this phenomenon is that of the Baal Haturim. Following the sin of the Egel— a sin that had occurred while Moshe Rabbeinu was in Heaven — he declared to Hashem, “And now, if You would but forgive their sin, but if not, erase me from the Your book.”

Since the words of a tzaddik come to pass even if they are based on a condition, Moshe Rabbeinu’s name does not appear in this week’s parashah.

This in turn leads to another question: Why davka in Parashas Tetzaveh is Moshe Rabbeinu’s name omitted, and not any other parashah?

Read full article: HAMODI'A

 

[Mindful]

Fear and loathing at IDF checkpoints

The idea that foreign nationals are allowed to harass soldiers protecting their own country seems inconceivable, yet until recently it has been a common Israeli reality, devoid of pushback.
armed with video cameras, often planted just inches from the face of the guarding soldier, and hope to catch the soldier doing something—anything—that can, out of context, look like some heinous act.

Whether it’s a scowl at an uncooperative Palestinian passing through a checkpoint or an attempt to search a suspicious-looking person, there are ample opportunities to create a context in which the soldier appears to be the personification of an oppressive Israel.

This is cynical manipulation, but sadly, with the Internet, social media, and Photoshop and other apps, we live in a world increasingly filled with such out of context videography.
Yet the situation at a checkpoint is far more fraught with risk, rather than just embarrassment from manipulated misrepresentation.

There are life-and-death implications at checkpoints, and no one knows that better than the soldiers on duty. Besides obtrusive and invasive cameras, there is often verbal harassment as young soldiers are being demonized for doing their duty.

Fear and loathing at IDF checkpoints

 

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BS"D

Orit Strock: Important that women will emphasize also the values of modesy, family and birthrate"
Idit Silman: "The connection between both of us brings variety, but the work is also of the voters"

Silman: "Unfortunately, the appropriate representation of women has to start, in many cases from affirmative action".
Strock: "My attitude is a bit different, and it's ok, we're not supposed to be identical. I wasn't elected on the standard of being a woman , but for what I am and my doing."

SHVI'I

 

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