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Align With Zion - AnaRina Heymann
There is no way of knowing where the city of David was, and the Temple Mount has nothing to do with David, was built 700 years later, and was of Roman construction, with king Herod being a Roman who converted to Judaism so that the Romans could make him king of the Jews.
Aside from the fact that Kind David PBUH purchased the mountain?
Then again arguing about ancient borders of the city is of no relevance, since Jerusalem has already spread way further than it ever was, under any foreign rule, and as promised will spread further.
Align With Zion - AnaRina Heymann
There is no way of knowing where the city of David was, and the Temple Mount has nothing to do with David, was built 700 years later, and was of Roman construction, with king Herod being a Roman who converted to Judaism so that the Romans could make him king of the Jews.
Aside from the fact that Kind David PBUH purchased the mountain?
Then again arguing about ancient borders of the city is of no relevance, since Jerusalem has already spread way further than it ever was, under any foreign rule, and as promised will spread further.
That is silly because not only are there no records from that time period, but king David was the foreign invader, so would not have purchased anything. There are several mountains as well.
We have a Who are the Palestinians thread, so just to be fair...
Golda Meir
Without reading this entire thread, the simple answer is, the Jews of today are Canaanites:
Full text of "The Two Seeds Of Genesis 3 15 By Charles Lee Mange"
Not possible.
Canaanites never left Palestine, there was no drought in the Land of Canaan, Canaanites did not go to Egypt, Canaanites for sure did not speak Hebrew, and the Hebrew claimed they invaded and murdered the Canaanites around 1000 BC, so the Hebrew can not at all possibly be Canaanites. The Hebrew did experience a sever drought that caused them to spend about 400 years in Egypt. So the Hebrew can not be Canaanites unless they were some offshoot who have left the land of Canaan much earlier.
Actually Canaanites did speak Hebrew, both at the time of Abraham Avinu and later,all of the places in the land remained Hebrew up until the return of the diaspora both from Egypt and today. Arabs simply transliterated them not knowing what they mean, as they don't know what the word Palestine means, or can correctly pronounce it till this day.
It's all Hebrew.
Align With Zion - AnaRina Heymann
There is no way of knowing where the city of David was, and the Temple Mount has nothing to do with David, was built 700 years later, and was of Roman construction, with king Herod being a Roman who converted to Judaism so that the Romans could make him king of the Jews.
Aside from the fact that Kind David PBUH purchased the mountain?
Then again arguing about ancient borders of the city is of no relevance, since Jerusalem has already spread way further than it ever was, under any foreign rule, and as promised will spread further.
That is silly because not only are there no records from that time period, but king David was the foreign invader, so would not have purchased anything. There are several mountains as well.
King David was born in Bethlehem.
Which makes you a strange person for calling him a foreigner to his own ancestral home.
No records of that period. Your source to that is what? The same one which told you that King David was a foreigner to the Land or Israel, Ancient Canaan?
We have a Who are the Palestinians thread, so just to be fair...
Golda Meir
Without reading this entire thread, the simple answer is, the Jews of today are Canaanites:
Full text of "The Two Seeds Of Genesis 3 15 By Charles Lee Mange"
Not possible.
Canaanites never left Palestine, there was no drought in the Land of Canaan, Canaanites did not go to Egypt, Canaanites for sure did not speak Hebrew, and the Hebrew claimed they invaded and murdered the Canaanites around 1000 BC, so the Hebrew can not at all possibly be Canaanites. The Hebrew did experience a sever drought that caused them to spend about 400 years in Egypt. So the Hebrew can not be Canaanites unless they were some offshoot who have left the land of Canaan much earlier.
Actually Canaanites did speak Hebrew, both at the time of Abraham Avinu and later,all of the places in the land remained Hebrew up until the return of the diaspora both from Egypt and today. Arabs simply transliterated them not knowing what they mean, as they don't know what the word Palestine means, or can correctly pronounce it till this day.
It's all Hebrew.
That's silly.
Hebrew is a minor offshoot of the Semitic language the Canaanites created, not the other way around.
An easy way to tell is that Hebrew did not have a written script until around 100 BC, while other Canaanite scripts, like Aramaic, Phoenician, etc., predate that by well over 1000 years.
And it is very ignorant to differentiate Hebrew from Arabs, since clearly Arabs came to the Land of Canaan first, the Canaanites were Arabs, and therefore so were the Hebrew.
The word "Semitic" means of an Arab language group, of which Hebrew is a minor and more recent deviation.
The Arab Canaanites go back to 8000 BC in Jericho.
Align With Zion - AnaRina Heymann
There is no way of knowing where the city of David was, and the Temple Mount has nothing to do with David, was built 700 years later, and was of Roman construction, with king Herod being a Roman who converted to Judaism so that the Romans could make him king of the Jews.
Aside from the fact that Kind David PBUH purchased the mountain?
Then again arguing about ancient borders of the city is of no relevance, since Jerusalem has already spread way further than it ever was, under any foreign rule, and as promised will spread further.
That is silly because not only are there no records from that time period, but king David was the foreign invader, so would not have purchased anything. There are several mountains as well.
King David was born in Bethlehem.
Which makes you a strange person for calling him a foreigner to his own ancestral home.
No records of that period. Your source to that is what? The same one which told you that King David was a foreigner to the Land or Israel, Ancient Canaan?
Not only does no one know where David was born, but Bethlehem did not exist at that time, and David was a nomadic sheep herder.
The reasons we know there are no records of that time is that Hebrew did not have a written script for another 800 years, and all records were pretty much destroyed by the series of invasions, starting with the Hebrew invasion around 1000 BC, and including the invasions by Babylonians, Assyrians, and Romans.
It was not just that record halls were looted and burned, but that all Hebrew were forced to leave with each takeover.
And clearly the Hebrew were NOT native.
They spent more time in Egypt than they ever did in the Land of Canaan.
We have a Who are the Palestinians thread, so just to be fair...
Golda Meir
Without reading this entire thread, the simple answer is, the Jews of today are Canaanites:
Full text of "The Two Seeds Of Genesis 3 15 By Charles Lee Mange"
Not possible.
Canaanites never left Palestine, there was no drought in the Land of Canaan, Canaanites did not go to Egypt, Canaanites for sure did not speak Hebrew, and the Hebrew claimed they invaded and murdered the Canaanites around 1000 BC, so the Hebrew can not at all possibly be Canaanites. The Hebrew did experience a sever drought that caused them to spend about 400 years in Egypt. So the Hebrew can not be Canaanites unless they were some offshoot who have left the land of Canaan much earlier.
Actually Canaanites did speak Hebrew, both at the time of Abraham Avinu and later,all of the places in the land remained Hebrew up until the return of the diaspora both from Egypt and today. Arabs simply transliterated them not knowing what they mean, as they don't know what the word Palestine means, or can correctly pronounce it till this day.
It's all Hebrew.
That's silly.
Hebrew is a minor offshoot of the Semitic language the Canaanites created, not the other way around.
An easy way to tell is that Hebrew did not have a written script until around 100 BC, while other Canaanite scripts, like Aramaic, Phoenician, etc., predate that by well over 1000 years.
And it is very ignorant to differentiate Hebrew from Arabs, since clearly Arabs came to the Land of Canaan first, the Canaanites were Arabs, and therefore so were the Hebrew.
The word "Semitic" means of an Arab language group, of which Hebrew is a minor and more recent deviation.
The Arab Canaanites go back to 8000 BC in Jericho.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh, an " The Arabs came to ancient Canaan first" firster.
Now, THAT history one cannot find in any ancient records, no matter how many rocks, tombs, mummies and any other ancient evidence one can find.
Ahhhh, thank for minimizing Hebrew to almost oblivion in Canaan.
Which is exactly your intention with all Jewish history and all Jews for that matter.
Jews
Rest your mind.King David was born in Bethlehem.There is no way of knowing where the city of David was, and the Temple Mount has nothing to do with David, was built 700 years later, and was of Roman construction, with king Herod being a Roman who converted to Judaism so that the Romans could make him king of the Jews.
Aside from the fact that Kind David PBUH purchased the mountain?
Then again arguing about ancient borders of the city is of no relevance, since Jerusalem has already spread way further than it ever was, under any foreign rule, and as promised will spread further.
That is silly because not only are there no records from that time period, but king David was the foreign invader, so would not have purchased anything. There are several mountains as well.
Which makes you a strange person for calling him a foreigner to his own ancestral home.
No records of that period. Your source to that is what? The same one which told you that King David was a foreigner to the Land or Israel, Ancient Canaan?
Not only does no one know where David was born, but Bethlehem did not exist at that time, and David was a nomadic sheep herder.
The reasons we know there are no records of that time is that Hebrew did not have a written script for another 800 years, and all records were pretty much destroyed by the series of invasions, starting with the Hebrew invasion around 1000 BC, and including the invasions by Babylonians, Assyrians, and Romans.
It was not just that record halls were looted and burned, but that all Hebrew were forced to leave with each takeover.
And clearly the Hebrew were NOT native.
They spent more time in Egypt than they ever did in the Land of Canaan.
That's it.
I promise you it will hurt much less that way.
Try destroying anyone else's ancient history and roots, and see what will happen.
But you won't, right? It is only those pesky Jews who must give up everything.
Their land, their history, their culture.
All of that to superior beings like yourself.
I can see your superiority all the way from Russia........
Seriously, see your psychiatrist very early in the morning.Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh, an " The Arabs came to ancient Canaan first" firster.Without reading this entire thread, the simple answer is, the Jews of today are Canaanites:
Full text of "The Two Seeds Of Genesis 3 15 By Charles Lee Mange"
Not possible.
Canaanites never left Palestine, there was no drought in the Land of Canaan, Canaanites did not go to Egypt, Canaanites for sure did not speak Hebrew, and the Hebrew claimed they invaded and murdered the Canaanites around 1000 BC, so the Hebrew can not at all possibly be Canaanites. The Hebrew did experience a sever drought that caused them to spend about 400 years in Egypt. So the Hebrew can not be Canaanites unless they were some offshoot who have left the land of Canaan much earlier.
Actually Canaanites did speak Hebrew, both at the time of Abraham Avinu and later,all of the places in the land remained Hebrew up until the return of the diaspora both from Egypt and today. Arabs simply transliterated them not knowing what they mean, as they don't know what the word Palestine means, or can correctly pronounce it till this day.
It's all Hebrew.
That's silly.
Hebrew is a minor offshoot of the Semitic language the Canaanites created, not the other way around.
An easy way to tell is that Hebrew did not have a written script until around 100 BC, while other Canaanite scripts, like Aramaic, Phoenician, etc., predate that by well over 1000 years.
And it is very ignorant to differentiate Hebrew from Arabs, since clearly Arabs came to the Land of Canaan first, the Canaanites were Arabs, and therefore so were the Hebrew.
The word "Semitic" means of an Arab language group, of which Hebrew is a minor and more recent deviation.
The Arab Canaanites go back to 8000 BC in Jericho.
Now, THAT history one cannot find in any ancient records, no matter how many rocks, tombs, mummies and any other ancient evidence one can find.
Ahhhh, thank for minimizing Hebrew to almost oblivion in Canaan.
Which is exactly your intention with all Jewish history and all Jews for that matter.
Jews
That is silly.
Clearly it is the Land of Canaan, not the Land of Judah.
And not only are all the local ancient languages Semitic, such as Aramaic, Phoenician, Canaanite, etc., but clearly one has to cross Palestine in order to get to the Arabian Peninsula.
The origin and dissemination of language can be traced, and it is Palestine where all Arab cultures and Semitic languages developed. And Hebrew is not at all the source, but merely one of many.
Clearly you HAVE to at least already know that?
For there was no drought in the Land of Canaan, and yet the Hebrew did spend 400 years in Egypt due to a drought.
That can only mean they are not native to the Land of Canaan.
They had to come from somewhere else, before their stay in Egypt.
Oooooooh, the " I am ashkenazi , so I know what I am talking about and you should listen to me" shtick.Rest your mind.King David was born in Bethlehem.Aside from the fact that Kind David PBUH purchased the mountain?
Then again arguing about ancient borders of the city is of no relevance, since Jerusalem has already spread way further than it ever was, under any foreign rule, and as promised will spread further.
That is silly because not only are there no records from that time period, but king David was the foreign invader, so would not have purchased anything. There are several mountains as well.
Which makes you a strange person for calling him a foreigner to his own ancestral home.
No records of that period. Your source to that is what? The same one which told you that King David was a foreigner to the Land or Israel, Ancient Canaan?
Not only does no one know where David was born, but Bethlehem did not exist at that time, and David was a nomadic sheep herder.
The reasons we know there are no records of that time is that Hebrew did not have a written script for another 800 years, and all records were pretty much destroyed by the series of invasions, starting with the Hebrew invasion around 1000 BC, and including the invasions by Babylonians, Assyrians, and Romans.
It was not just that record halls were looted and burned, but that all Hebrew were forced to leave with each takeover.
And clearly the Hebrew were NOT native.
They spent more time in Egypt than they ever did in the Land of Canaan.
That's it.
I promise you it will hurt much less that way.
Try destroying anyone else's ancient history and roots, and see what will happen.
But you won't, right? It is only those pesky Jews who must give up everything.
Their land, their history, their culture.
All of that to superior beings like yourself.
I can see your superiority all the way from Russia........
Foolish.
There is no history or roots to destroy because the Hebrew clearly were nomadic and left no evidence of where they lived before Egypt.
And it certainly can't be the Land of Canaan because they it would not have been called the Land of Canaan, populated mostly by Canaanites.
And there can't be any history to destroy because the Hebrew tribes were essentially illiterate until the Romans, much later.
Nor do Russians have any direct connection since Yiddish is not even Semitic, but Germanic.
But I have to admit I am also Ashkenazi, so have no more claim to Palestine than you do.
Oooooooh, the " I am ashkenazi , so I know what I am talking about and you should listen to me" shtick.Rest your mind.King David was born in Bethlehem.That is silly because not only are there no records from that time period, but king David was the foreign invader, so would not have purchased anything. There are several mountains as well.
Which makes you a strange person for calling him a foreigner to his own ancestral home.
No records of that period. Your source to that is what? The same one which told you that King David was a foreigner to the Land or Israel, Ancient Canaan?
Not only does no one know where David was born, but Bethlehem did not exist at that time, and David was a nomadic sheep herder.
The reasons we know there are no records of that time is that Hebrew did not have a written script for another 800 years, and all records were pretty much destroyed by the series of invasions, starting with the Hebrew invasion around 1000 BC, and including the invasions by Babylonians, Assyrians, and Romans.
It was not just that record halls were looted and burned, but that all Hebrew were forced to leave with each takeover.
And clearly the Hebrew were NOT native.
They spent more time in Egypt than they ever did in the Land of Canaan.
That's it.
I promise you it will hurt much less that way.
Try destroying anyone else's ancient history and roots, and see what will happen.
But you won't, right? It is only those pesky Jews who must give up everything.
Their land, their history, their culture.
All of that to superior beings like yourself.
I can see your superiority all the way from Russia........
Foolish.
There is no history or roots to destroy because the Hebrew clearly were nomadic and left no evidence of where they lived before Egypt.
And it certainly can't be the Land of Canaan because they it would not have been called the Land of Canaan, populated mostly by Canaanites.
And there can't be any history to destroy because the Hebrew tribes were essentially illiterate until the Romans, much later.
Nor do Russians have any direct connection since Yiddish is not even Semitic, but Germanic.
But I have to admit I am also Ashkenazi, so have no more claim to Palestine than you do.
Add that to talk about with your psychiatrist .
That is silly.
Clearly it is the Land of Canaan, not the Land of Judah.
That is silly.
Clearly it is the Land of Canaan, not the Land of Judah.
Indeed, this is silly,
even the Arabs call it "The JEWISH Desert":
Sahara Yahudin
The Judaean Desert or Judean Desert (Hebrew: Midbar Yehuda, both Desert of Judah or Judaean Desert; Arabic:Sahara Yahudan) is a desert in Israel and the West Bank that lies east of Jerusalem and descends to the Dead Sea. It stretches from the northeastern Negev to the east of Beit El, and is marked by natural terraces with escarpments. It ends in a steep escarpment dropping to the Dead Sea and the Jordan Valley. The Judaean Desert is crossed by numerous wadis from northeast to southeast[dubious – discuss] and has many ravines, most of them deep, from 1,200 feet in the west to 600 feet in the east.[1] The Judaean Desert is an area with a special morphological structure along the east of the Judaean Mountains.
...
You do not come from ANYWHERE close to the Land of Israel.That is silly.
Clearly it is the Land of Canaan, not the Land of Judah.
Indeed, this is silly,
even the Arabs call it "The JEWISH Desert":
Sahara Yahudin
The Judaean Desert or Judean Desert (Hebrew: Midbar Yehuda, both Desert of Judah or Judaean Desert; Arabic:Sahara Yahudan) is a desert in Israel and the West Bank that lies east of Jerusalem and descends to the Dead Sea. It stretches from the northeastern Negev to the east of Beit El, and is marked by natural terraces with escarpments. It ends in a steep escarpment dropping to the Dead Sea and the Jordan Valley. The Judaean Desert is crossed by numerous wadis from northeast to southeast[dubious – discuss] and has many ravines, most of them deep, from 1,200 feet in the west to 600 feet in the east.[1] The Judaean Desert is an area with a special morphological structure along the east of the Judaean Mountains.
...
That is ridiculous.
The Jews were names AFTER Judea, not the other way around.
Jew were Hebrew until they lived in Judea long enough for people to start calling them Jews because of their association with Judea.
We are Hebrew, not Jews.
We do NOT come from Judea.
There is no record of us in Judea before around 1200 BC or so.
The Canaanites, Chaldeans, Amorites, Akkadians, etc., go back many thousands of years earlier.
That is silly.
Clearly it is the Land of Canaan, not the Land of Judah.
Indeed, this is silly,
even the Arabs call it "The JEWISH Desert":
Sahara Yahudin
The Judaean Desert or Judean Desert (Hebrew: Midbar Yehuda, both Desert of Judah or Judaean Desert; Arabic:Sahara Yahudan) is a desert in Israel and the West Bank that lies east of Jerusalem and descends to the Dead Sea. It stretches from the northeastern Negev to the east of Beit El, and is marked by natural terraces with escarpments. It ends in a steep escarpment dropping to the Dead Sea and the Jordan Valley. The Judaean Desert is crossed by numerous wadis from northeast to southeast[dubious – discuss] and has many ravines, most of them deep, from 1,200 feet in the west to 600 feet in the east.[1] The Judaean Desert is an area with a special morphological structure along the east of the Judaean Mountains.
...
That is ridiculous.
The Jews were names AFTER Judea, not the other way around.
Jew were Hebrew until they lived in Judea long enough for people to start calling them Jews because of their association with Judea.
We are Hebrew, not Jews.
We do NOT come from Judea.
There is no record of us in Judea before around 1200 BC or so.
The Canaanites, Chaldeans, Amorites, Akkadians, etc., go back many thousands of years earlier.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh, an " The Arabs came to ancient Canaan first" firster.Without reading this entire thread, the simple answer is, the Jews of today are Canaanites:
Full text of "The Two Seeds Of Genesis 3 15 By Charles Lee Mange"
Not possible.
Canaanites never left Palestine, there was no drought in the Land of Canaan, Canaanites did not go to Egypt, Canaanites for sure did not speak Hebrew, and the Hebrew claimed they invaded and murdered the Canaanites around 1000 BC, so the Hebrew can not at all possibly be Canaanites. The Hebrew did experience a sever drought that caused them to spend about 400 years in Egypt. So the Hebrew can not be Canaanites unless they were some offshoot who have left the land of Canaan much earlier.
Actually Canaanites did speak Hebrew, both at the time of Abraham Avinu and later,all of the places in the land remained Hebrew up until the return of the diaspora both from Egypt and today. Arabs simply transliterated them not knowing what they mean, as they don't know what the word Palestine means, or can correctly pronounce it till this day.
It's all Hebrew.
That's silly.
Hebrew is a minor offshoot of the Semitic language the Canaanites created, not the other way around.
An easy way to tell is that Hebrew did not have a written script until around 100 BC, while other Canaanite scripts, like Aramaic, Phoenician, etc., predate that by well over 1000 years.
And it is very ignorant to differentiate Hebrew from Arabs, since clearly Arabs came to the Land of Canaan first, the Canaanites were Arabs, and therefore so were the Hebrew.
The word "Semitic" means of an Arab language group, of which Hebrew is a minor and more recent deviation.
The Arab Canaanites go back to 8000 BC in Jericho.
Now, THAT history one cannot find in any ancient records, no matter how many rocks, tombs, mummies and any other ancient evidence one can find.
Ahhhh, thank for minimizing Hebrew to almost oblivion in Canaan.
Which is exactly your intention with all Jewish history and all Jews for that matter.
Jews
That is silly.
Clearly it is the Land of Canaan, not the Land of Judah.
And not only are all the local ancient languages Semitic, such as Aramaic, Phoenician, Canaanite, etc., but clearly one has to cross Palestine in order to get to the Arabian Peninsula.
The origin and dissemination of language can be traced, and it is Palestine where all Arab cultures and Semitic languages developed. And Hebrew is not at all the source, but merely one of many.
Clearly you HAVE to at least already know that?
For there was no drought in the Land of Canaan, and yet the Hebrew did spend 400 years in Egypt due to a drought.
That can only mean they are not native to the Land of Canaan.
They had to come from somewhere else, before their stay in Egypt.