Which person as a third party candidate could beat Biden and Trump in 3 way race?

[Dragonlady]

It is the best question we have. Both of these two have over 50% negatives, both are closer in reality to 60% than 50%, and both are seriously old. Trump is clearly "younger" in mind and body than Joe, but he is old OLD OLD... REALLY OLD.

If Jesse Ventura was young and healthy he would be a great candidate, but he is neither now.

Newt and Dick Armey and the rest of the Gingrich Revolution are also really old.

Laugh if you may, but someone like Kevin Sorbo could decide to go for it, and if he "has it" in debate format, watch out. We need a hero, and Kevin excelled at playing one.


It is there. Make no mistake, if it is Trump vs. Biden, the third party path to the WH would be more open than ever....



The problem is that there does not appear to be that someone, yet, who can "fill the void."

Ventura didn't have the skills, education or experience to run the country.

Kevin Sorbo???? Because he was good at playing a hero????? The nation needs a competent administrator, who knows how government works, not a TV actor who plays martial arts hero,

There are lots of viable candidates in the Democratic Party other than Joe Biden, but if Donald Trump runs, we know that Biden can beat him, and like all dictators, Trump has destroyed anyone in his own party who stood against him, so they have no one.

 

[Dragonlady]

No; the system is far too rigged.

It’s like saying nuns should join MS-13 to make change from within.

All you’re going to get is raped/dismembered nuns.

The Constitution all but specifies two parties. The system isn't broken. It's functioning as it intended for a small coastal agrarian nation. The Founders never intended for the country to be a sprawling diverse nation from sea to sea, with the largest economy and military in the world. In fact, they opposed a standing army.

Republicans are busy re-writing American history to try to bamboozle Americans into believing their view of the Constitution, isn't based on shit they just pulled out of their asses. They insist on interpretting its meaning in terms of 21st Century issues.

The Founders lived in a time where agricultural was the really the only industry in the world. There were other trades and professions, but they were practiced by individuals, not large companies. Your station in life was determined by your parents station in life. Nations were ruled by kings under a "divine right of kings".

No electricity, mass communications, mass travel. Most people were born, lived and died within a 50 mile radius. The nation had no standing army and no military ambitions. Guns were single shot hand loaded, and not very accurate.

 

[MinTrut]

The Constitution all but specifies two parties. The system isn't broken. It's functioning as it intended for a small coastal agrarian nation. The Founders never intended for the country to be a sprawling diverse nation from sea to sea, with the largest economy and military in the world. In fact, they opposed a standing army.

Republicans are busy re-writing American history to try to bamboozle Americans into believing their view of the Constitution, isn't based on shit they just pulled out of their asses. They insist on interpretting its meaning in terms of 21st Century issues.

The Founders lived in a time where agricultural was the really the only industry in the world. There were other trades and professions, but they were practiced by individuals, not large companies. Your station in life was determined by your parents station in life. Nations were ruled by kings under a "divine right of kings".

No electricity, mass communications, mass travel. Most people were born, lived and died within a 50 mile radius. The nation had no standing army and no military ambitions. Guns were single shot hand loaded, and not very accurate.

Features not bugs, rigged by design.

 

[dblack]

The odds are set up against it.

They have to have a nationwide network in every single state, to qualify the independent on every state ballot.... so to get enough electoral vote to win...

They get zero electors for coming in 2 nd, the winner takes all electors.

If states issued electors proportionately, by how the votes came in, there is at least a better chance for the independent to win



As example, If the Indie came in a strong second on all ballot votes in most all states, while the Dems won some states and repubs won some states, but the Indy is always a strong second, with maybe a win or two in some states.... the odds increase for an Indy, slightly more, than if it were not proportional.

I understand all that. The systemic impediments are real, and we should do something about them. But the real problem is the psychological con that so many of us fall for, namely the notion that a vote for a candidate who "isn't likely to win" (according to whom?) is a "wasted vote", as if your vote only counts if the candidate you vote for actually wins. We need to grow up and get over that nonsense. The only way a vote is wasted is if you don't vote, or - more to the point - if you vote dishonestly.

Voting "strategically", usually along the lines of "lesser-of-two-evils" excuse, isn't honest if you're not voting for your actual favorite. If you're voting for a bad candidate, merely because you think they're "most likely" to defeat another candidate who is even worse, is a fool's game. It guarantees that we elect bad leaders, and everyone playing that game is a traitor to their country.

 

[konradv]

It is the best question we have. Both of these two have over 50% negatives, both are closer in reality to 60% than 50%, and both are seriously old. Trump is clearly "younger" in mind and body than Joe, but he is old OLD OLD... REALLY OLD.

If Jesse Ventura was young and healthy he would be a great candidate, but he is neither now.

Newt and Dick Armey and the rest of the Gingrich Revolution are also really old.

Laugh if you may, but someone like Kevin Sorbo could decide to go for it, and if he "has it" in debate format, watch out. We need a hero, and Kevin excelled at playing one.


It is there. Make no mistake, if it is Trump vs. Biden, the third party path to the WH would be more open than ever....



The problem is that there does not appear to be that someone, yet, who can "fill the void."

Hillary, Rested & Ready!

 

[MinTrut]

Hillary, Rested & Ready!

Thread win.

 

[Auld Phart]

Thread win.

The only good thing Trump ever did, IMO, is keep her out of the WH

 

[pknopp]

Rarely the intention of a 3rd party, but this IS the intention of No Labels - beating Trump.

If Manchin runs No Label I think he will take more from Biden than Trump.

 

[MinTrut]

The only good thing Trump ever did, IMO, is keep her out of the WH

It’s the gift that keeps on giving to be sure!

 

[MinTrut]

If Manchin runs No Label I think he will take more from Biden than Trump.

I don’t agree & think he’d split, but I don’t think he’s running.

Also, it only matters in a half dozen states, and he has close to zero appeal in all.

 

[pknopp]

I don’t agree & think he’d split, but I don’t think he’s running.

Also, it only matters in a half dozen states, and he has close to zero appeal in all.

He could run as the sane, mentally capable alternative.

 

[Auld Phart]

He could run as the sane, mentally capable alternative.

If Biden and Trump are the candidates, I would vote for Manchin.

 

[MinTrut]

He could run as the sane, mentally capable alternative.

We can’t be talking about the same person…

 

[EMH]

Third Party candidates do not win, they are spoilers

That's what the Mossad wants us to believe...

 

[EMH]

If Biden and Trump are the candidates, I would vote for Manchin.

Manchin sold out WV for the Co2 FRAUD. Manchin isn't a moderate, except being "moderately" treasonous.

 

[EMH]

I understand we are in uncharted territory, but the best example we have of what would happen if there was a strong 3rd party candidate is the 1860 election, and we all know what that resulted in.

1860 is too far back, not representative of today.

More and more people are seeing it, that this elitist cabal of Zionist Fascists and left wing homos is just bouncing fraud after treasonous fraud on us and we keep falling for them. That has boomerang potential, big time. People are sick of the smiling media favorites, knowing those are the ones who keep lying and selling us out.

It would take a real candidate with high end skills, but it is there. MOST VOTERS would prefer SOMEONE ELSE to Trump/Biden.

 

[Auld Phart]

Manchin sold out WV for the Co2 FRAUD. Manchin isn't a moderate, except being "moderately" treasonous.

still a better choice than Biden or Trump.

 

[EMH]

Kevin Sorbo is a likeable guy. He probably would be a good candidate with enough public exposure.

Indeed, but he would still need a "team" of people around him, and his name was "reeled off" in the OP simply because he does speak out and have huge name recognition. But for now, someone has to WANT IT, and right now that isn't anyone who is going to make a bang...

 

[EMH]

still a better choice than Biden or Trump.

I would vote for Trump over Manchin. Manchin is "Biden Lite." We need "Biden reversed"

 

[EMH]

TRUMP benefits from any 3rd party candidates.

depends on who it is. If it is Newt Gingrich as a Libertarian, it would help Traitor Joe.