What exactly does the "Left" want?

[RDD_1210]

A more self-centered attitude cannot be found.

Says then guy who only wants to know "Whats in it for me?". Ha!

Says the busybody do-gooder, who can't explain to anyone what their faux charity has in it for them.

See once again you show your true colors and what you are all about through this one statement. Apparently, according to you, no one can do or support anything that doesn't directly benefit them. It's obviously a foreign concept to you and explains your viewpoints. You only care about you.

It's sad that we have people like you in this great nation....but then again, it's the diverse backgrounds and thoughts that make this nation so great. Not that you would understand that though.

 

[RDD_1210]

Wealth isn't distributed...It's earned.

If you haven't done anything to accumulate some wealth for yourself, quit your hand-wringing blind envy of those who have.

Spoken like someone who doesn't have any actual money of his own but thinks he deserves it and its the governments fault that you aren't living the "good life". Waaah!

Actually I'm living quite a good life.

Maybe yours would be better spent minding your own damn business.

Doubtful and you seem to have no problem stating your opinion and somehow trying to tell me mine isn't validated, so I don't think you're in ANY position to tell anyone to mind their own business.

 

[RDD_1210]

If you truly believe this you are a fool. I suggest you read the Nazi Seizure of Power by William Sheridan Allen. It does a very good job of showing how a technolgically advanced and socially progressive country was led down a very dark path. The gays were courted very early by the movement and Ernst Rohm was the leader of the SA. When the Nazi's no longer needed them they were murdered and the gays in postions of power were killed along with any others that were deemed a potential threat.

We are following many of the same paths that they followed. The 1968 Gun Control Act is nearly word for word the same as the Nazi Weapons Control Act of 1938. Bill Clinton advocated a National Labor Sevice and guess what the Germans had one of those (Reicharbeitsdienst) too! Bill didn't even bother to change its name! You can do a very little digging and see many programs initiated by the Nazi's that we are following and you don't have to be a conspiratorial kook to realize that.

And Hitler was an eloquent, charismatic speaker promising change just like Obama, blah blah, blah......

You storing up food for when the revolution begins?

Of course not. I have a supply of food and water because I live in earthquake country so that in the event of an emergency when the rest of the people are starving my family is well taken care of. That is called responsibility. What will you do if there is an emergency?

And try leaving the silly nonsense at the door next time. Try reading a little about the world and how it operates instead of calling people names...you may actually learn something.

Silly nonsense at the door? THIS, coming from the guy making Nazi comparisons! That's a good one!!!

Instead of reading about the world, maybe you might want to venture out and actually experience it. Just a thought.

 

[martybegan]

You really believe that?

Yes, I would put that in the FACT category.

Then you have a wierd definition of the word fact. Facts are things like, "60 seconds are in a mintue" or "gravity makes things fall down." What you have is an opinion. To make it a fact you would need to create a parellel universe where there is no religion, and then see if wars happen.

Just wanting something to be true does not make it so.

 

[hipeter924]

1. The extermination of all Jews and Christians who refuse to give up their faith.

2. The extermination of all Muslims and followers of other religions who refuse to give up their faith (as they can't tolerate the existence of any religion).

3. A corporate police state/communist state or any form of government which controls every aspect of people's lives (including all their money).

4. End to freedom of speech (political correctness controls what you can say and think to combat 'racism' and 'intolerance') and very little individual rights (if any) to property (excluding the property owned by the bureaucratic/military elite of the government).

 

[DiamondDave]

I answered him already. My views are varied and don't always jive with one ideology or another. I don't have to listen to the day's talking heads on shouty radio shows and "commentary" and inflammatory blogs to get my "fear topics" for the day. Is that better?

Sammy Davis Jr. would be proud of your tap dance

 

[martybegan]

I think the question is more geared to "end game." From that perspective you have to see what "the left" sees as the worlds primary issues, and thier responses to said issues. Please before you repsond (I DONT BELEIVE THAT) remember I am going with the proto-typical viewpoints of someone who would be considered "leftist"

To a leftist the world is a place of inequalities, economic, social, power, etc. To correct these inequalities one needs a structure such as the goverment to force those at the high end of the these inequalties to stop doing what perpetuates the inequalities. So the wealthy need to share it, People with restrictive moral beliefs need to give them up, and people with excessive power need to be brought down to "the rest of us." The specific issues that can be seen as "leftist" can be boiled down to this basic premise.

For example, a leftist as described above would see a rich person as someone who benefits from economic inequality. In their opinion, the excess of wealth is probably undeserved, and should be shared with the general public for the greater good. As this person is believed by the leftist to be selfish, they need to be forced to spread thier wealth around to the public (i.e taxation)

There are other examples, but it all ends up with inequalities, and using goverment to fix them.

But the creeping disparity between the wealthy and the less affluent has never been so obvious. It would be one thing if the wealthy actually DID invest in America either by trickle-down or charitable methods to the point that it really put a dent in the other end of the wealth spectrum--the truly poor, and of course helping the unfortunate unemployed hanging by a thread by investing in business expansion. So when all statistics show that since 1979 the top 1% has increased their earnings by 281%, which is as much wealth as the lower 90%, the "left" certainly has cause to wonder exactly what the wealthy ARE spending on. Since that of course leads to speculation, the demand is therefore going to be that they should at least be paying higher taxes. Nobody is asking the wealthy to give up half.

First, when it comes to taxes, it is never "asking", it is taking, especially when the 5-10% affected by increased taxes can't stop it due to the other 90%-95% never having an issue of voting for other people to pay more. Second, wealth disparity has probably been far worse in the past, it was just never quantified.

Finally what right do other people have to a persons property and wealth earned legally? If it was illegal then go after them in the courts.

 

[Oddball]

Spoken like someone who doesn't have any actual money of his own but thinks he deserves it and its the governments fault that you aren't living the "good life". Waaah!

Actually I'm living quite a good life.

Maybe yours would be better spent minding your own damn business.

Doubtful and you seem to have no problem stating your opinion and somehow trying to tell me mine isn't validated, so I don't think you're in ANY position to tell anyone to mind their own business.

Yours isn't validated with anyone but yourself, as you cannot tell anyone else what's in it for them to go along with your POV, to the extent that you're fine with it being imposed by force upon one and all.

Mine is a philosophy of volition, whereas yours is one of unabashed aggression.

And you still would be best minding your own damn business.

 

[rdean]

What exactly does the "Left" want?

We want our country back!

 

[SFC Ollie]

What exactly does the "Left" want?

We want our country back!

That's funny rdean, as you are the ones who keep calling for change. Back means the way it was. I can only dream that our Government would shrink back to the way it was.

 

[Wicked Jester]

What exactly does the "Left" want?

We want our country back!

You got it back.....and pissed it straight down the proverbial fucking toilet!

But that's about to change in 42 days.......The loony liberal agenda will be officially crushed, THANK GOD!

 

[RDD_1210]

Actually I'm living quite a good life.

Maybe yours would be better spent minding your own damn business.

Doubtful and you seem to have no problem stating your opinion and somehow trying to tell me mine isn't validated, so I don't think you're in ANY position to tell anyone to mind their own business.

Yours isn't validated with anyone but yourself, as you cannot tell anyone else what's in it for them to go along with your POV, to the extent that you're fine with it being imposed by force upon one and all.

Mine is a philosophy of volition, whereas yours is one of unabashed aggression.

And you still would be best minding your own damn business.

Your act is growing old and tired. Maybe it's time for a new routine.

 

[Wicked Jester]

Doubtful and you seem to have no problem stating your opinion and somehow trying to tell me mine isn't validated, so I don't think you're in ANY position to tell anyone to mind their own business.

Yours isn't validated with anyone but yourself, as you cannot tell anyone else what's in it for them to go along with your POV, to the extent that you're fine with it being imposed by force upon one and all.

Mine is a philosophy of volition, whereas yours is one of unabashed aggression.

And you still would be best minding your own damn business.

Your act is growing old and tired. Maybe it's time for a new routine.

OFFICIAL TRANSLATION:

You thoroughly kicked my ass yet again. Maybe it's time you leave me alone and stop embarrasing me!

End of OFFFICIAL TRANSLATION

 

[Meister]

Yours isn't validated with anyone but yourself, as you cannot tell anyone else what's in it for them to go along with your POV, to the extent that you're fine with it being imposed by force upon one and all.

Mine is a philosophy of volition, whereas yours is one of unabashed aggression.

And you still would be best minding your own damn business.

Your act is growing old and tired. Maybe it's time for a new routine.

OFFICIAL TRANSLATION:

You thoroughly kicked my ass yet again. Maybe it's time you leave me alone and stop embarrasing me!

End of OFFFICIAL TRANSLATION

Yep, this is rdd's m.o. He also will cut and run when he knows he's been pwn'd.

 

[parentrap]

Peace, freedom and justice !

 

[Meister]

Peace, freedom and justice !

I see......is that like, "Sex, drugs, and rock & roll"?

 

[Bfgrn]

I think the question is more geared to "end game." From that perspective you have to see what "the left" sees as the worlds primary issues, and thier responses to said issues. Please before you repsond (I DONT BELEIVE THAT) remember I am going with the proto-typical viewpoints of someone who would be considered "leftist"

To a leftist the world is a place of inequalities, economic, social, power, etc. To correct these inequalities one needs a structure such as the goverment to force those at the high end of the these inequalties to stop doing what perpetuates the inequalities. So the wealthy need to share it, People with restrictive moral beliefs need to give them up, and people with excessive power need to be brought down to "the rest of us." The specific issues that can be seen as "leftist" can be boiled down to this basic premise.

For example, a leftist as described above would see a rich person as someone who benefits from economic inequality. In their opinion, the excess of wealth is probably undeserved, and should be shared with the general public for the greater good. As this person is believed by the leftist to be selfish, they need to be forced to spread thier wealth around to the public (i.e taxation)

There are other examples, but it all ends up with inequalities, and using goverment to fix them.

What a pile of right wing bullshit. It's not about 'wealth' inequalities. It's about HUMAN inequalities. I don't have a problem with anyone making a lot of money, as long as they don't get rich by making other people poor, or cause harm to humans, God's creatures or our environment.

There is a HUGE amount of socialism and welfare programs in America...for corporations. And We, the People pay THEIR bills with our money, our health and our lives.

Two great Democrats said it best:

"Harry Truman once said, 'There are 14 or 15 million Americans who have the resources to have representatives in Washington to protect their interests, and that the interests of the great mass of the other people - the 150 or 160 million - is the responsibility of the president of the United States, and I propose to fulfill it.'"
President John F. Kennedy

 

[martybegan]

I think the question is more geared to "end game." From that perspective you have to see what "the left" sees as the worlds primary issues, and thier responses to said issues. Please before you repsond (I DONT BELEIVE THAT) remember I am going with the proto-typical viewpoints of someone who would be considered "leftist"

To a leftist the world is a place of inequalities, economic, social, power, etc. To correct these inequalities one needs a structure such as the goverment to force those at the high end of the these inequalties to stop doing what perpetuates the inequalities. So the wealthy need to share it, People with restrictive moral beliefs need to give them up, and people with excessive power need to be brought down to "the rest of us." The specific issues that can be seen as "leftist" can be boiled down to this basic premise.

For example, a leftist as described above would see a rich person as someone who benefits from economic inequality. In their opinion, the excess of wealth is probably undeserved, and should be shared with the general public for the greater good. As this person is believed by the leftist to be selfish, they need to be forced to spread thier wealth around to the public (i.e taxation)

There are other examples, but it all ends up with inequalities, and using goverment to fix them.

What a pile of right wing bullshit. It's not about 'wealth' inequalities. It's about HUMAN inequalities. I don't have a problem with anyone making a lot of money, as long as they don't get rich by making other people poor, or cause harm to humans, God's creatures or our environment.

There is a HUGE amount of socialism and welfare programs in America...for corporations. And We, the People pay THEIR bills with our money, our health and our lives.

Two great Democrats said it best:

"Harry Truman once said, 'There are 14 or 15 million Americans who have the resources to have representatives in Washington to protect their interests, and that the interests of the great mass of the other people - the 150 or 160 million - is the responsibility of the president of the United States, and I propose to fulfill it.'"
President John F. Kennedy

Guess what, those human inequalities stem from economic inequalities, so you both proved my point, and called it bullshit at the same time. Your statement ALSO proves my point as the whole Truman quote is basically what I said boiled down into 1 statement, goverment balancing economic inequality.

And for all the benefits the goverment gives to corportations, there are just as many regulations, taxes, fees and other impediments that make doing business more expensive, than the benefits make doing business less expensive.

 

[8537]

Guess what, those human inequalities stem from economic inequalities,

Holy shit! Did you really just say that?

How positively post-Marxist of you.

 

[Bfgrn]

I think the question is more geared to "end game." From that perspective you have to see what "the left" sees as the worlds primary issues, and thier responses to said issues. Please before you repsond (I DONT BELEIVE THAT) remember I am going with the proto-typical viewpoints of someone who would be considered "leftist"

To a leftist the world is a place of inequalities, economic, social, power, etc. To correct these inequalities one needs a structure such as the goverment to force those at the high end of the these inequalties to stop doing what perpetuates the inequalities. So the wealthy need to share it, People with restrictive moral beliefs need to give them up, and people with excessive power need to be brought down to "the rest of us." The specific issues that can be seen as "leftist" can be boiled down to this basic premise.

For example, a leftist as described above would see a rich person as someone who benefits from economic inequality. In their opinion, the excess of wealth is probably undeserved, and should be shared with the general public for the greater good. As this person is believed by the leftist to be selfish, they need to be forced to spread thier wealth around to the public (i.e taxation)

There are other examples, but it all ends up with inequalities, and using goverment to fix them.

What a pile of right wing bullshit. It's not about 'wealth' inequalities. It's about HUMAN inequalities. I don't have a problem with anyone making a lot of money, as long as they don't get rich by making other people poor, or cause harm to humans, God's creatures or our environment.

There is a HUGE amount of socialism and welfare programs in America...for corporations. And We, the People pay THEIR bills with our money, our health and our lives.

Two great Democrats said it best:

"Harry Truman once said, 'There are 14 or 15 million Americans who have the resources to have representatives in Washington to protect their interests, and that the interests of the great mass of the other people - the 150 or 160 million - is the responsibility of the president of the United States, and I propose to fulfill it.'"
President John F. Kennedy

Guess what, those human inequalities stem from economic inequalities, so you both proved my point, and called it bullshit at the same time. Your statement ALSO proves my point as the whole Truman quote is basically what I said boiled down into 1 statement, goverment balancing economic inequality.

And for all the benefits the goverment gives to corportations, there are just as many regulations, taxes, fees and other impediments that make doing business more expensive, than the benefits make doing business less expensive.

No pea brain, human inequalities don't stem from economic inequalities, unless someone is getting rich by making other people poor, causing harm to humans, God's creatures or our environment. Human inequalities manifest in bankruptcies, illness and in DEATH. Do you understand what cost externalization is? Pollution is a perfect example. When a corporation pollutes, they are circumventing the rules of a free market. They are in effect sending everyone a bill to cover THEIR costs. And We, the People pay that bill through medical bills, lower property values, illnesses and deaths. The 'market' has no correction for fatalities because it can NEVER reverse death.