What ever happened to the "We'll Stand Down as the Stand Up" strategy

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    What ever happened to the "We'll Stand Down as they Stand Up" strategy, that Bush announced two (three?) years ago? I never even hear about that plan anymore. I think that was after the "just mopping up a few dead-enders" plan.

    Are we still in the "New Way Forward" plan? Was that before the insurgents were in their last throes? Or is it just part of the "surge" plan?
     
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    Are you kidding me? Are you so brainwashed by the liberal press you can actually make this statement with a straight face?

    The plan all along has been to train the Iraqis to defend themselves AND it continues, with more and more control being given to them every month. Half the british contingent is out of a job because of this and new Battalions and Brigades come on line and are added to the "conflict" regularly.
     
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    has the plan all along included giving armaments to non Iraqi military insurgents who up until a while ago were killing Americans simply because they "promise" to use those armaments against AQ?

    I don't recall that being a part of the plan.
     
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    Let me see if I have this right.... Getting the locals to work for us is bad... BUT we should cow tow to Syria and Iran for help?
     
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    But what happened to the "Stand Down" part of the plan? I mean, that was like half the plan: We'll STAND DOWN as they Stand Up.

    We've been training them for almost 5 years. Why haven't any of our troops stood down? Why are we escalating the amount of our troops?
     
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    giving armaments to the locals who, the week before, were killing us seems like a good idea to you?

    If a cell of Viet Cong who had been ruthlessly killing GI's came out of the jungle one day and promised to go back in and kill other VC if we only gave them weapons...would you have thought that was a good idea too?

    And I have never suggested kowtowing to anyone. If we want to have a regional solution, it only seems reasonable to talk to the neighbors in the region.
     
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    WE as in the USA are in the active regions, WE HAVE trained Brigades that do fight with us and alone. However they are not numerous enough or trained well enough yet for us to just leave. And the plan is for us to start drawing down soon.
     
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    Okay, so five years later the "Stand Down" part of the plan hasn't worked.


    " And the plan is for us to start drawing down soon"

    When? I've heard Bush fans say this exact thing for the past three years, at least.
     
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    What part of the concept that this type of war takes YEARS to win do you NOT understand? Current General says he needs 10 years to do what we need to do and he only has 6 months. People like you haven't a clue about much do you?
     
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    "What part of the concept that this type of war takes YEARS to win do you NOT understand?


    "And the plan is for us to start drawing down soon""



    Which is it? Can you make up your mind?

    Is it "soon"?

    Or, is it "years"
     

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