What ever happened to the "separation" of church and state?

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This nation was established with two primary concepts of governance: first that there could be no legitimate governance without representation, and second that there must be a separation of church and state in government. We have apparently lost both.

Religious beliefs or tenets are not laws or legislation to be dictated to fellow citizens. Religions beliefs are personal ideological tenets to be practiced privately and not mandated to nonbelievers. As a nonbeliever, I do not want to hear about abortion, god, prayer, death penalty, etal. However, if you were against abortion, you should negotiate to adopt an unwanted child, not demand the child be born (into an uncertain environment). But don't deny someone the right to choose whether to have an abortion or not.

I am not religious, and I have never been religious. I do not feel quilty about it, nor will I allow any one to make me feel quilty about it. I am just fine with my destiny, and I am confident that I will live on in the future and with a purpose as will all of us. It is because you are so uncertain of your future and your purpose that you need to believe that there is a reason or purpose to life and beyond. It is because you lack faith that you cling to such archaic and even pretentious concepts. You see, I don't simply believe or have faith in life everlasting. In my soul and in my heart I know in life everlasting.

government is more essential to a society. people who are religious find their religion important. we aren't a theocracy, though... people are on their own when it comes to their religious beliefs, which is as it should be.

government exists separately. G-d bless the First Amendment.

Would you mind removing your religion of socialism from our government?

Don't worry, Trump will slash Social Security, food stamps and Medicaid. Just like you voted for him to do.

I guess that means you accept my answer that God has no preference what you do. He is more than happy for you to do whatever you want. He is perfectly happy to let you to reap what you sow.

 

[Mudda]

This nation was established with two primary concepts of governance: first that there could be no legitimate governance without representation, and second that there must be a separation of church and state in government. We have apparently lost both.

Religious beliefs or tenets are not laws or legislation to be dictated to fellow citizens. Religions beliefs are personal ideological tenets to be practiced privately and not mandated to nonbelievers. As a nonbeliever, I do not want to hear about abortion, god, prayer, death penalty, etal. However, if you were against abortion, you should negotiate to adopt an unwanted child, not demand the child be born (into an uncertain environment). But don't deny someone the right to choose whether to have an abortion or not.

I am not religious, and I have never been religious. I do not feel quilty about it, nor will I allow any one to make me feel quilty about it. I am just fine with my destiny, and I am confident that I will live on in the future and with a purpose as will all of us. It is because you are so uncertain of your future and your purpose that you need to believe that there is a reason or purpose to life and beyond. It is because you lack faith that you cling to such archaic and even pretentious concepts. You see, I don't simply believe or have faith in life everlasting. In my soul and in my heart I know in life everlasting.

government is more essential to a society. people who are religious find their religion important. we aren't a theocracy, though... people are on their own when it comes to their religious beliefs, which is as it should be.

government exists separately. G-d bless the First Amendment.

Would you mind removing your religion of socialism from our government?

Don't worry, Trump will slash Social Security, food stamps and Medicaid. Just like you voted for him to do.

I guess that means you accept my answer that God has no preference what you do. He is more than happy for you to do whatever you want. He is perfectly happy to let you to reap what you sow.

So He's perfectly happy to sit back and watch me go to Hell? Hmmm.... Sounds kinda douchebaggy.

 

[ding]

This nation was established with two primary concepts of governance: first that there could be no legitimate governance without representation, and second that there must be a separation of church and state in government. We have apparently lost both.

Religious beliefs or tenets are not laws or legislation to be dictated to fellow citizens. Religions beliefs are personal ideological tenets to be practiced privately and not mandated to nonbelievers. As a nonbeliever, I do not want to hear about abortion, god, prayer, death penalty, etal. However, if you were against abortion, you should negotiate to adopt an unwanted child, not demand the child be born (into an uncertain environment). But don't deny someone the right to choose whether to have an abortion or not.

I am not religious, and I have never been religious. I do not feel quilty about it, nor will I allow any one to make me feel quilty about it. I am just fine with my destiny, and I am confident that I will live on in the future and with a purpose as will all of us. It is because you are so uncertain of your future and your purpose that you need to believe that there is a reason or purpose to life and beyond. It is because you lack faith that you cling to such archaic and even pretentious concepts. You see, I don't simply believe or have faith in life everlasting. In my soul and in my heart I know in life everlasting.

government is more essential to a society. people who are religious find their religion important. we aren't a theocracy, though... people are on their own when it comes to their religious beliefs, which is as it should be.

government exists separately. G-d bless the First Amendment.

Would you mind removing your religion of socialism from our government?

Don't worry, Trump will slash Social Security, food stamps and Medicaid. Just like you voted for him to do.

I guess that means you accept my answer that God has no preference what you do. He is more than happy for you to do whatever you want. He is perfectly happy to let you to reap what you sow.

So He's perfectly happy to sit back and watch me go to Hell? Hmmm.... Sounds kinda douchebaggy.

Hell is nothing more than being eternally separated from God. It isn't His choice. It is your choice.

 

[Mudda]

government is more essential to a society. people who are religious find their religion important. we aren't a theocracy, though... people are on their own when it comes to their religious beliefs, which is as it should be.

government exists separately. G-d bless the First Amendment.

Would you mind removing your religion of socialism from our government?

Don't worry, Trump will slash Social Security, food stamps and Medicaid. Just like you voted for him to do.

I guess that means you accept my answer that God has no preference what you do. He is more than happy for you to do whatever you want. He is perfectly happy to let you to reap what you sow.

So He's perfectly happy to sit back and watch me go to Hell? Hmmm.... Sounds kinda douchebaggy.

Hell is nothing more than being eternally separated from God. It isn't His choice. It is your choice.

I've been separated my whole life from god and life is good. Why should I care?

 

[ding]

Would you mind removing your religion of socialism from our government?

Don't worry, Trump will slash Social Security, food stamps and Medicaid. Just like you voted for him to do.

I guess that means you accept my answer that God has no preference what you do. He is more than happy for you to do whatever you want. He is perfectly happy to let you to reap what you sow.

So He's perfectly happy to sit back and watch me go to Hell? Hmmm.... Sounds kinda douchebaggy.

Hell is nothing more than being eternally separated from God. It isn't His choice. It is your choice.

I've been separated my whole life from god and life is good. Why should I care?

You just think you have, but for the sake of argument let's say you have. You wouldn't be having this conversation if you didn't care.

 

[Mudda]

Don't worry, Trump will slash Social Security, food stamps and Medicaid. Just like you voted for him to do.

I guess that means you accept my answer that God has no preference what you do. He is more than happy for you to do whatever you want. He is perfectly happy to let you to reap what you sow.

So He's perfectly happy to sit back and watch me go to Hell? Hmmm.... Sounds kinda douchebaggy.

Hell is nothing more than being eternally separated from God. It isn't His choice. It is your choice.

I've been separated my whole life from god and life is good. Why should I care?

You just think you have, but for the sake of argument let's say you have. You wouldn't be having this conversation if you didn't care.

I'm here out of interest talking to people who believe in an invisible being and why, and also what made them believe, because it's a pretty big step to base your life on an invisible being that you can't prove to anyone. What I don't care about is what your unproven god may or may not do, because you can't prove that he is going to even do anything to me either, lol.

 

[there4eyeM]

[/QUOTE]I'm here out of interest talking to people who believe in an invisible being and why, and also what made them believe, because it's a pretty big step to base your life on an invisible being that you can't prove to anyone. What I don't care about is what your unproven god may or may not do, because you can't prove that he is going to even do anything to me either, lol.[/QUOTE]
(Pssst! Ask how it would be possible to 'be' separate from 'God', since 'being' would have been created by 'God'!)

 

[ding]

I guess that means you accept my answer that God has no preference what you do. He is more than happy for you to do whatever you want. He is perfectly happy to let you to reap what you sow.

So He's perfectly happy to sit back and watch me go to Hell? Hmmm.... Sounds kinda douchebaggy.

Hell is nothing more than being eternally separated from God. It isn't His choice. It is your choice.

I've been separated my whole life from god and life is good. Why should I care?

You just think you have, but for the sake of argument let's say you have. You wouldn't be having this conversation if you didn't care.

I'm here out of interest talking to people who believe in an invisible being and why, and also what made them believe, because it's a pretty big step to base your life on an invisible being that you can't prove to anyone. What I don't care about is what your unproven god may or may not do, because you can't prove that he is going to even do anything to me either, lol.

Bullshit. You are here because you hate God and Christians.

 

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(Pssst! Ask how it would be possible to 'be' separate from 'God', since 'being' would have been created by 'God'!)

His spirit is inside of you. Some people don't realize what they have until it is lost or taken away from them. You're probably one of those people.

 

[RWNJ]

I'm here out of interest talking to people who believe in an invisible being and why, and also what made them believe, because it's a pretty big step to base your life on an invisible being that you can't prove to anyone. What I don't care about is what your unproven god may or may not do, because you can't prove that he is going to even do anything to me either, lol.[/QUOTE]
(Pssst! Ask how it would be possible to 'be' separate from 'God', since 'being' would have been created by 'God'!)[/QUOTE]
Ahem. Bible prophecy. The only way to explain it is a supreme being. Then there is also the Life of Christ, as written about by witnesses who actually knew him. There is also the empty tomb. There is plenty of evidence for God. You simply reject it out of sinful pride.

 

[there4eyeM]

(Psst! Now ask if this belief comes from direct experience or through the perceptions of hearing, seeing, etc.!)

 

[pinqy]

Hell is nothing more than being eternally separated from God. It isn't His choice. It is your choice.

God didn't make the rules? He is powerless to change them? Who or what are you claiming is more powerful than God to render him without a choice?

 

[ding]

Hell is nothing more than being eternally separated from God. It isn't His choice. It is your choice.

God didn't make the rules? He is powerless to change them? Who or what are you claiming is more powerful than God to render him without a choice?

Many people believe God can do anything. God can't oppose Himself or go against His own Nature. How could He?

 

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(Psst! Now ask if this belief comes from direct experience or through the perceptions of hearing, seeing, etc.!)

And that answer is a resounding yes. Now go and ponder what the tree of knowledge really means.

 

[pinqy]

Hell is nothing more than being eternally separated from God. It isn't His choice. It is your choice.

God didn't make the rules? He is powerless to change them? Who or what are you claiming is more powerful than God to render him without a choice?

Many people believe God can do anything. God can't oppose Himself or go against His own Nature. How could He?

So God could not change the rules as to what is required for salvation if He wanted? That's not opposing Himself or going against His nature...it's changing His own rules. Why couldn't he?

 

[ding]

Hell is nothing more than being eternally separated from God. It isn't His choice. It is your choice.

God didn't make the rules? He is powerless to change them? Who or what are you claiming is more powerful than God to render him without a choice?

Many people believe God can do anything. God can't oppose Himself or go against His own Nature. How could He?

So God could not change the rules as to what is required for salvation if He wanted? That's not opposing Himself or going against His nature...it's changing His own rules. Why couldn't he?

I don't know. Maybe He can and maybe He can't. I do believe He does not destroy what He creates, I do believe He gave us free will and I don't believe He will or can oppose Himself. Therefore, I believe we have to chose Him and not just by paying Him lip service either.

 

[Votto]

This nation was established with two primary concepts of governance: first that there could be no legitimate governance without representation, and second that there must be a separation of church and state in government. We have apparently lost both.

Religious beliefs or tenets are not laws or legislation to be dictated to fellow citizens. Religions beliefs are personal ideological tenets to be practiced privately and not mandated to nonbelievers. As a nonbeliever, I do not want to hear about abortion, god, prayer, death penalty, etal. However, if you were against abortion, you should negotiate to adopt an unwanted child, not demand the child be born (into an uncertain environment). But don't deny someone the right to choose whether to have an abortion or not.

I am not religious, and I have never been religious. I do not feel quilty about it, nor will I allow any one to make me feel quilty about it. I am just fine with my destiny, and I am confident that I will live on in the future and with a purpose as will all of us. It is because you are so uncertain of your future and your purpose that you need to believe that there is a reason or purpose to life and beyond. It is because you lack faith that you cling to such archaic and even pretentious concepts. You see, I don't simply believe or have faith in life everlasting. In my soul and in my heart I know in life everlasting.

Wow. That is a long list of things I must do.

In reality, all I have to do is pay taxes and die.

Get bent.

 

[RWNJ]

Hell is nothing more than being eternally separated from God. It isn't His choice. It is your choice.

God didn't make the rules? He is powerless to change them? Who or what are you claiming is more powerful than God to render him without a choice?

Many people believe God can do anything. God can't oppose Himself or go against His own Nature. How could He?

So God could not change the rules as to what is required for salvation if He wanted? That's not opposing Himself or going against His nature...it's changing His own rules. Why couldn't he?

God cannot allow sin into Heaven. He is a merciful God, but also a just God, as well as holy. He cannot go against His own nature. It would be like you saying that you no longer need to breathe.

 

[pinqy]

Hell is nothing more than being eternally separated from God. It isn't His choice. It is your choice.

God didn't make the rules? He is powerless to change them? Who or what are you claiming is more powerful than God to render him without a choice?

Many people believe God can do anything. God can't oppose Himself or go against His own Nature. How could He?

So God could not change the rules as to what is required for salvation if He wanted? That's not opposing Himself or going against His nature...it's changing His own rules. Why couldn't he?

God cannot allow sin into Heaven. He is a merciful God, but also a just God, as well as holy. He cannot go against His own nature. It would be like you saying that you no longer need to breathe.

No, it's nothing like that. But let me make things simpler for you: Can God change the rules as to what is a sin, and/or change the rules for who gets into Heaven?

 

[ding]

Hell is nothing more than being eternally separated from God. It isn't His choice. It is your choice.

God didn't make the rules? He is powerless to change them? Who or what are you claiming is more powerful than God to render him without a choice?

Many people believe God can do anything. God can't oppose Himself or go against His own Nature. How could He?

So God could not change the rules as to what is required for salvation if He wanted? That's not opposing Himself or going against His nature...it's changing His own rules. Why couldn't he?

God cannot allow sin into Heaven. He is a merciful God, but also a just God, as well as holy. He cannot go against His own nature. It would be like you saying that you no longer need to breathe.

No, it's nothing like that. But let me make things simpler for you: Can God change the rules as to what is a sin, and/or change the rules for who gets into Heaven?

I see. So by your logic He could also renege on covenant's He made, right? Or He could decide to not let someone into heaven who followed all of His ways, right?