Trump must not attack Syria-it's a trap.

[oreo]

It would be a mistake for President Trump to attack Syria in retaliation for alleged chemical attacks on civilians including women and children. While these attacks violate international law against the practice, it isn’t clear that these attacks were initiated and carried out by Bashar al-Assad, Syria’s leader.

It makes little sense for Assad to engage in chemical warfare against non-military targets that would draw the condemnation of the international community. Supposedly he’s done it before but there has never been any solid evidence presented that this is the case. It makes a lot more sense for Assad’s opponents to sacrifice innocent victims using captured chemical weapons in order to bait the United States into attacking Assad.

Trump should exercise restraint and not allow himself to be influenced by democrats and backstabbing republicans in the US who are trying to set him up for making the same mistakes his predecessors have made by immersing the US into conflict involving backward, medieval Middle Eastern countries.

The people who elected Trump did not put him in office to follow in the footsteps of GW Bush who after the World Trade Center was attacked by Saudi Arabia turned around and attacked Iraq that has about as much connection to Saudi Arabia as the US does to Switzerland.

Trump was not handed the keys to the White House to be the guardian angel of victims caught in the crossfire of countries that linger in the middle ages run by zealots of cultural, moral and religious atavism. What sense does it make to become mired in the sewer of the Arab Spring where the saved child victims will just automatically hate the US anyway? No matter what is done these victims will just grow up to kill other Arabs and launch artillery and rockets from the Golan Heights into Israel.

Trump needs to stand his ground and reserve his responses to threats only. The American people have learned a lot about how its government enriches itself at the expense of the blood of its people. Adventurism into Arab wars is like hitting a hive full of African killer bees and the politicians that hail its necessity aren’t going to fight it though many will make investments in its outcome.

This is a trap that Trump needs to avoid for the sake of the American people who put him there to look after their interests.

Whatever gave you an idea that Trump was going to respond to Syria & Russia, other than a tweety message that was for his 1/2 brained supporters, not Vladimir Putin?--

The Ass Clown has already backed off on his tweet.
Fears of a U.S.-Russia conflict recede as Trump, Moscow and Macron dial back the rhetoric

There has been love affair going on with Trump & Vladimir Putin for quite some time. Putin & Trump have both been getting bombarded with criticism. Putin with the recent attack in the U.K on a double agent and his daughter, and Trump for kissing Putin too much. This was just a coordinated show between Trump & Putin to divert attention, that's all it was.

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there is no ''electoral college'' that can subvert what the people want and who they vote for in the midterm elections.... so it will be the vote of the people that counts, unlike the Presidential election.

There is still republican gerrymandering of districts to get in the way but that possibly could be over come, if enough people come out to vote....

Scroll back up to post # 39 on this thread and you'll see what's been going on in these special elections.

 

[oreo]

It would be a mistake for President Trump to attack Syria in retaliation for alleged chemical attacks on civilians including women and children. While these attacks violate international law against the practice, it isn’t clear that these attacks were initiated and carried out by Bashar al-Assad, Syria’s leader.

It makes little sense for Assad to engage in chemical warfare against non-military targets that would draw the condemnation of the international community. Supposedly he’s done it before but there has never been any solid evidence presented that this is the case. It makes a lot more sense for Assad’s opponents to sacrifice innocent victims using captured chemical weapons in order to bait the United States into attacking Assad.

Trump should exercise restraint and not allow himself to be influenced by democrats and backstabbing republicans in the US who are trying to set him up for making the same mistakes his predecessors have made by immersing the US into conflict involving backward, medieval Middle Eastern countries.

The people who elected Trump did not put him in office to follow in the footsteps of GW Bush who after the World Trade Center was attacked by Saudi Arabia turned around and attacked Iraq that has about as much connection to Saudi Arabia as the US does to Switzerland.

Trump was not handed the keys to the White House to be the guardian angel of victims caught in the crossfire of countries that linger in the middle ages run by zealots of cultural, moral and religious atavism. What sense does it make to become mired in the sewer of the Arab Spring where the saved child victims will just automatically hate the US anyway? No matter what is done these victims will just grow up to kill other Arabs and launch artillery and rockets from the Golan Heights into Israel.

Trump needs to stand his ground and reserve his responses to threats only. The American people have learned a lot about how its government enriches itself at the expense of the blood of its people. Adventurism into Arab wars is like hitting a hive full of African killer bees and the politicians that hail its necessity aren’t going to fight it though many will make investments in its outcome.

This is a trap that Trump needs to avoid for the sake of the American people who put him there to look after their interests.

Trump has no plan for Syria don’t you know that. He’ll listen to what Sean Hannity tells him and ignore his military experts.

Trump hit Syria last time the animal Assad used gas. That was the right thing to do. He should do it again.

Trump bombed DIRT after they gave them a 4 hour warning to moves their planes.

 

[skye]

It would be a mistake for President Trump to attack Syria in retaliation for alleged chemical attacks on civilians including women and children. While these attacks violate international law against the practice, it isn’t clear that these attacks were initiated and carried out by Bashar al-Assad, Syria’s leader.

It makes little sense for Assad to engage in chemical warfare against non-military targets that would draw the condemnation of the international community. Supposedly he’s done it before but there has never been any solid evidence presented that this is the case. It makes a lot more sense for Assad’s opponents to sacrifice innocent victims using captured chemical weapons in order to bait the United States into attacking Assad.

Trump should exercise restraint and not allow himself to be influenced by democrats and backstabbing republicans in the US who are trying to set him up for making the same mistakes his predecessors have made by immersing the US into conflict involving backward, medieval Middle Eastern countries.

The people who elected Trump did not put him in office to follow in the footsteps of GW Bush who after the World Trade Center was attacked by Saudi Arabia turned around and attacked Iraq that has about as much connection to Saudi Arabia as the US does to Switzerland.

Trump was not handed the keys to the White House to be the guardian angel of victims caught in the crossfire of countries that linger in the middle ages run by zealots of cultural, moral and religious atavism. What sense does it make to become mired in the sewer of the Arab Spring where the saved child victims will just automatically hate the US anyway? No matter what is done these victims will just grow up to kill other Arabs and launch artillery and rockets from the Golan Heights into Israel.

Trump needs to stand his ground and reserve his responses to threats only. The American people have learned a lot about how its government enriches itself at the expense of the blood of its people. Adventurism into Arab wars is like hitting a hive full of African killer bees and the politicians that hail its necessity aren’t going to fight it though many will make investments in its outcome.

This is a trap that Trump needs to avoid for the sake of the American people who put him there to look after their interests.

Trump needs to get the fuck out of there and build that wall...

Exactly right, Norman!

 

[DGS49]

Back to the subject of this thread, anyone?

Chemical weapons are a crime against humanity. Any regime using them must be punished by the World Community, in order to deter their use by that actor, or anyone else. All must know that it is unacceptable.

However, the proof must be clear and convincing, and MADE PUBLIC, before third-party retaliation. It cannot be uncertain or ambiguous. And under our constitutional framework, as a minimum, the leaders in Congress must be consulted before any military action, and without unanimous support of the four senior legislators (2d + 2r), nothing should be done.

 

[Reasonable]

It would be a mistake for President Trump to attack Syria in retaliation for alleged chemical attacks on civilians including women and children. While these attacks violate international law against the practice, it isn’t clear that these attacks were initiated and carried out by Bashar al-Assad, Syria’s leader.

It makes little sense for Assad to engage in chemical warfare against non-military targets that would draw the condemnation of the international community. Supposedly he’s done it before but there has never been any solid evidence presented that this is the case. It makes a lot more sense for Assad’s opponents to sacrifice innocent victims using captured chemical weapons in order to bait the United States into attacking Assad.

Trump should exercise restraint and not allow himself to be influenced by democrats and backstabbing republicans in the US who are trying to set him up for making the same mistakes his predecessors have made by immersing the US into conflict involving backward, medieval Middle Eastern countries.

The people who elected Trump did not put him in office to follow in the footsteps of GW Bush who after the World Trade Center was attacked by Saudi Arabia turned around and attacked Iraq that has about as much connection to Saudi Arabia as the US does to Switzerland.

Trump was not handed the keys to the White House to be the guardian angel of victims caught in the crossfire of countries that linger in the middle ages run by zealots of cultural, moral and religious atavism. What sense does it make to become mired in the sewer of the Arab Spring where the saved child victims will just automatically hate the US anyway? No matter what is done these victims will just grow up to kill other Arabs and launch artillery and rockets from the Golan Heights into Israel.

Trump needs to stand his ground and reserve his responses to threats only. The American people have learned a lot about how its government enriches itself at the expense of the blood of its people. Adventurism into Arab wars is like hitting a hive full of African killer bees and the politicians that hail its necessity aren’t going to fight it though many will make investments in its outcome.

This is a trap that Trump needs to avoid for the sake of the American people who put him there to look after their interests.

Trump needs to get the fuck out of there and build that wall...

Build that wall?
So all the people that aren’t coming here can be stopped?
Lmao.
You believe everything your serial sex offender tells you.

 

[Reasonable]

Back to the subject of this thread, anyone?

Chemical weapons are a crime against humanity. Any regime using them must be punished by the World Community, in order to deter their use by that actor, or anyone else. All must know that it is unacceptable.

However, the proof must be clear and convincing, and MADE PUBLIC, before third-party retaliation. It cannot be uncertain or ambiguous. And under our constitutional framework, as a minimum, the leaders in Congress must be consulted before any military action, and without unanimous support of the four senior legislators (2d + 2r), nothing should be done.

Like Trump will consult Congress before proceeding. He thinks that’s just for pussies.

 

[eagle1462010]

Back to the subject of this thread, anyone?

Chemical weapons are a crime against humanity. Any regime using them must be punished by the World Community, in order to deter their use by that actor, or anyone else. All must know that it is unacceptable.

However, the proof must be clear and convincing, and MADE PUBLIC, before third-party retaliation. It cannot be uncertain or ambiguous. And under our constitutional framework, as a minimum, the leaders in Congress must be consulted before any military action, and without unanimous support of the four senior legislators (2d + 2r), nothing should be done.

Before we take it to the mat the proof should be out there for the whole world to see to VERIFY that this was the case.........if France has the proof then that proof needs to come forward and examined by experts to make DAMN SURE that this is the case..............

Taking out another leader in the Middle East is only a good thing if your a dang door to door vacuum salesman...........ISIS is on the ropes........there is a chance in the near future to bring some measure of Stability there..........and end the nightmare there...........

Escalation guarantees it goes on and on and on.........

 

[Tilly]

However, the proof must be clear and convincing, and MADE PUBLIC, before third-party retaliation. It cannot be uncertain or ambiguous

Bingo!
Plus the Kurds have apparently alleged that these anti Assad forces (for want of a better phrase) used banned chemical weapons against THEM 18 months or so ago. Of course I’m not sure of the veracity of these allegations, just as I’m not sure of the ones against Assad - and neither is anyone else it seems. So both need investigated before any action, imho.

 

[theHawk]

Agree. The USA needs to stop interfering in the Middle East. These people insist on barbarism and have done so for thousands of years. We cannot change that.

But then Russia will step in.
Damned if ya do,damned if ya dont.

Why do we care if Russia “steps in” or not? They are already in with Iran and Syria. Let them have it. Do we have to control and manipulate every nation on the planet?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Agree. The USA needs to stop interfering in the Middle East. These people insist on barbarism and have done so for thousands of years. We cannot change that.

But then Russia will step in.
Damned if ya do,damned if ya dont.

Why do we care if Russia “steps in” or not? They are already in with Iran and Syria. Let them have it. Do we have to control and manipulate every nation on the planet?

Whether you want to believe it or not we cant have the russians controlling the middle east.

 

[theHawk]

It would be a mistake for President Trump to attack Syria in retaliation for alleged chemical attacks on civilians including women and children. While these attacks violate international law against the practice, it isn’t clear that these attacks were initiated and carried out by Bashar al-Assad, Syria’s leader.

FYI-
It is being reported this morning, that the French have absolute, undeniable proof, that it was Assad.

Oh boy, “it’s being reported”.

Even if there is proof of it, why are Western countries willing to go to war over it? Was France attacked by Assad? No. In fact France has been attacked repeatedly by ISIS Sunni terrorists over and over, the same ones Assad is fighting.

 

[theHawk]

Agree. The USA needs to stop interfering in the Middle East. These people insist on barbarism and have done so for thousands of years. We cannot change that.

But then Russia will step in.
Damned if ya do,damned if ya dont.

Why do we care if Russia “steps in” or not? They are already in with Iran and Syria. Let them have it. Do we have to control and manipulate every nation on the planet?

Whether you want to believe it or not we cant have the russians controlling the middle east.

How are they controlling the Middle East? They have been allied with Iran and Syria for a long time. How is letting them stay in Syria change anything?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Agree. The USA needs to stop interfering in the Middle East. These people insist on barbarism and have done so for thousands of years. We cannot change that.

But then Russia will step in.
Damned if ya do,damned if ya dont.

Why do we care if Russia “steps in” or not? They are already in with Iran and Syria. Let them have it. Do we have to control and manipulate every nation on the planet?

Whether you want to believe it or not we cant have the russians controlling the middle east.

How are they controlling the Middle East? They have been allied with Iran and Syria for a long time. How is letting them stay in Syria change anything?

You missed my point.
There are certain parts of the middle east we cant have the russians controlling.
Syria isnt one of them.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I agree. I've also read that the gas attack was staged to make it appear Assad was responsible.

Well, reading something doesn't make it true.

Look at it this possible way.

Assad commits the chemical attack on orders from Putin, so Putin can play games with the West.
Then Putin has his people send out conspiracy theories so that everyone in the West is confused about it all.

Yes, it could equally be people in Syria opposed to Assad using the attacks in order to provoke a respond from the USA.

Bluffs, double bluffs, triple bluffs...

 

[theHawk]

Back to the subject of this thread, anyone?

Chemical weapons are a crime against humanity. Any regime using them must be punished by the World Community, in order to deter their use by that actor, or anyone else. All must know that it is unacceptable.

However, the proof must be clear and convincing, and MADE PUBLIC, before third-party retaliation. It cannot be uncertain or ambiguous. And under our constitutional framework, as a minimum, the leaders in Congress must be consulted before any military action, and without unanimous support of the four senior legislators (2d + 2r), nothing should be done.

Yet terror attacks against western countries get no such response.

Sunnis mass murder people with AK-47’s and run children over in the streets of France, yet there is zero response.

Some Sunnis are killed in Syria and everyone is supposed to mobilize for war.

Nope. We should go to war for attacks against are allies, not attacks against our enemies.

 

[Ray9]

This notion that the US must step in and hold bad actors responsible for atrocities committed in the hell holes of the world is a trick that's than been played on the American people too many times.
Involvement in Middle East conflict is like running over a skunk with a new car. There is no way to get the odor out and it will embed itself until the end of days
Stepping in to defend victims in the Middle East is like freeing psychotic inmates of mental institutions into the general population. It's a good deed that will be punished forever.

 

[sparky]

I gotta agree , we just can't help people who don't want to be helped. ~S~

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I always say the same thing, we in the West have GOT to stop making the mistake that other parts of the World think like we do. Iran has built their bases in Syria adjacent to the Russian bases. Islam is the fly in the ointment here and they do NOT think like us. Iran thinks that they can usher in the return of their Mahdi by starting a Nuclear war. This has so many moving parts it isn't even funny.

Even Lil Kim knows better as does Putin.
Some of the muslim countries might however hand off a nuke to a terrorist group.
Of course with nuke material being easily traced back to its source I dont think even Iran is that stupid.

(sigh) My degree is in Comparative Religions. Iran does not value life or community. Iran wants to bring back their "Mahdi" which is their version of the return of Jesus. THEY believe that Worldwide Chaos would do that. They do not care who lives or who dies. You will NEVER understand how they thin until you can set aside your Western Biases.

There wouldnt be anything left of Iran or many other muslim countries if they tried it.
They'd maybe smuggle a single nuke into the US.
Once they detonated it that would be the end of Iran.
.

Islam Must Be Destroyed

The Sunnis have already tried it and gotten away with it. If you're squeamish about equating 9/11 with a nuke, it should at least be considered to have been a Pearl Harbor.

As far as I'm concerned we should wipe out all muslim countries that show a penchant for terrorism.
But we cant go with half measures. I'm not advocating the use of nukes unless we've been hit by one and we dont need to use them.
We could easily take out the threat with conventional weapons.

Smart Bombs, Stupid Bombers

We've been there, tried that, and failed.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Back to the subject of this thread, anyone?

Chemical weapons are a crime against humanity. Any regime using them must be punished by the World Community, in order to deter their use by that actor, or anyone else. All must know that it is unacceptable.

However, the proof must be clear and convincing, and MADE PUBLIC, before third-party retaliation. It cannot be uncertain or ambiguous. And under our constitutional framework, as a minimum, the leaders in Congress must be consulted before any military action, and without unanimous support of the four senior legislators (2d + 2r), nothing should be done.

Before we take it to the mat the proof should be out there for the whole world to see to VERIFY that this was the case.........if France has the proof then that proof needs to come forward and examined by experts to make DAMN SURE that this is the case..............

Taking out another leader in the Middle East is only a good thing if your a dang door to door vacuum salesman...........ISIS is on the ropes........there is a chance in the near future to bring some measure of Stability there..........and end the nightmare there...........

Escalation guarantees it goes on and on and on.........

Smug and Sheltered Self-Righteousness About Pacifist-Defined Legitimate Tools of War

Despite sissy legalisms, the only atrocity would be Assad sending his loyal soldiers to die in a situation that can easily be taken care of with gas instead.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Even Lil Kim knows better as does Putin.
Some of the muslim countries might however hand off a nuke to a terrorist group.
Of course with nuke material being easily traced back to its source I dont think even Iran is that stupid.

(sigh) My degree is in Comparative Religions. Iran does not value life or community. Iran wants to bring back their "Mahdi" which is their version of the return of Jesus. THEY believe that Worldwide Chaos would do that. They do not care who lives or who dies. You will NEVER understand how they thin until you can set aside your Western Biases.

There wouldnt be anything left of Iran or many other muslim countries if they tried it.
They'd maybe smuggle a single nuke into the US.
Once they detonated it that would be the end of Iran.
.

Islam Must Be Destroyed

The Sunnis have already tried it and gotten away with it. If you're squeamish about equating 9/11 with a nuke, it should at least be considered to have been a Pearl Harbor.

As far as I'm concerned we should wipe out all muslim countries that show a penchant for terrorism.
But we cant go with half measures. I'm not advocating the use of nukes unless we've been hit by one and we dont need to use them.
We could easily take out the threat with conventional weapons.

Smart Bombs, Stupid Bombers

We've been there, tried that, and failed.

If you believe you've seen the true strength of our military I have a bridge to sell you.