The Party of "Do Nothing"

[thereisnospoon]

Again, the GOP doesn't owe the Dems squat. Stop pouting about it.

I'm satisfied with the way the ACA turned out. I would think it's those who feel their voice wasn't adequately heard during the legislative process--because those ostensibly representing it refused to help shape the legislation, to the point of rejecting their own amendments in a pointless attempt at obstruction--who should be upset.

Then YOU pay for it....Leave those who are opposed out of your schemes.

 

[rightwinger]

Again, the GOP doesn't owe the Dems squat. Stop pouting about it.

I'm satisfied with the way the ACA turned out. I would think it's those who feel their voice wasn't adequately heard during the legislative process--because those ostensibly representing it refused to help shape the legislation, to the point of rejecting their own amendments in a pointless attempt at obstruction--who should be upset.

Then YOU pay for it....Leave those who are opposed out of your schemes.

Wish I could have pulled that one with the Iraq war

 

[thereisnospoon]

I call it reality in 2012

Congress cannot accomplish the simplest task. Expecting them to pass a budget is unrealistic.

Just another case of Republicans giggling because they have created a deadlock that Obama cannot get around

Once again, you expect the GOP do do whatever the Dems stamp their feet and insist they do.

The GOP has no obligation to fulfill the Dem agenda when they think it's detrimental to the nation.

The Republican Party has taken a stance that if they do not get to call the shots , then NOBODY gets to call the shots. They are the first minority party in history to completely block Congress because they could not dictate policy

Once again. The GOP is under no obligation to rubber stamp the democrat liberal agenda.
Fact is, the majority of the American people are opposed to the liberal agenda of socialism which is the current path of the liberal wing of the democrat party.
THAT is why your side is being stopped.

 

[rightwinger]

Once again, you expect the GOP do do whatever the Dems stamp their feet and insist they do.

The GOP has no obligation to fulfill the Dem agenda when they think it's detrimental to the nation.

The Republican Party has taken a stance that if they do not get to call the shots , then NOBODY gets to call the shots. They are the first minority party in history to completely block Congress because they could not dictate policy

Once again. The GOP is under no obligation to rubber stamp the democrat liberal agenda.
Fact is, the majority of the American people are opposed to the liberal agenda of socialism which is the current path of the liberal wing of the democrat party.
THAT is why your side is being stopped.

Of course they are not

They are perfectly willing to hold the nation hostage while they throw their political temper tantrum

We will teach you what happens when you don't elect Republixans!

 

[daveman]

Again, the GOP doesn't owe the Dems squat. Stop pouting about it.

I'm satisfied with the way the ACA turned out. I would think it's those who feel their voice wasn't adequately heard during the legislative process--because those ostensibly representing it refused to help shape the legislation, to the point of rejecting their own amendments in a pointless attempt at obstruction--who should be upset.

I seem to remember the GOP didn't so much refuse to help shape the bill as weren't allowed to.

Nevertheless, getting a few amendments tacked on doesn't mean the rest of the bill wasn't crap.

The GOP were representing their constituents. They owe no allegiance to the Dems. You seem to have a hard time accepting that.

 

[thereisnospoon]

I'm satisfied with the way the ACA turned out. I would think it's those who feel their voice wasn't adequately heard during the legislative process--because those ostensibly representing it refused to help shape the legislation, to the point of rejecting their own amendments in a pointless attempt at obstruction--who should be upset.

Then YOU pay for it....Leave those who are opposed out of your schemes.

Wish I could have pulled that one with the Iraq war

apples to oranges.
The US federal government is constitutionally obligated to fund the ,military.
There is no provision that allows the government to demand citizens buy a product from the government nor does the Constitution permit the federal government to take over an entire industry( medical care).

 

[daveman]

I call it reality in 2012

Congress cannot accomplish the simplest task. Expecting them to pass a budget is unrealistic.

Just another case of Republicans giggling because they have created a deadlock that Obama cannot get around

Once again, you expect the GOP do do whatever the Dems stamp their feet and insist they do.

The GOP has no obligation to fulfill the Dem agenda when they think it's detrimental to the nation.

The Republican Party has taken a stance that if they do not get to call the shots , then NOBODY gets to call the shots. They are the first minority party in history to completely block Congress because they could not dictate policy

You leftists really don't understand how a representative republic works, do you?

The GOP works for their constituents, not for the President or the Democratic Party.

 

[daveman]

What a potent bit of stupidity. Is there nothing that daveman won't 'Thank?'

Perhaps you can explain why the Dem-controlled Senate has abdicated its responsibility.

And no, "Because the GOP won't let them do anything!!" is not a rational explanation. It's a Dem talking point.

'the dems are trying to eliminate the Constitution' ain't it, partner.

So, you have no explanation why the Dem-controlled Senate has abdicated its responsibility.

 

[rightwinger]

Once again, you expect the GOP do do whatever the Dems stamp their feet and insist they do.

The GOP has no obligation to fulfill the Dem agenda when they think it's detrimental to the nation.

The Republican Party has taken a stance that if they do not get to call the shots , then NOBODY gets to call the shots. They are the first minority party in history to completely block Congress because they could not dictate policy

You leftists really don't understand how a representative republic works, do you?

The GOP works for their constituents, not for the President or the Democratic Party.

I am sooooo naive...

I thought they were supposed to do what is best for the country

 

[thereisnospoon]

The Republican Party has taken a stance that if they do not get to call the shots , then NOBODY gets to call the shots. They are the first minority party in history to completely block Congress because they could not dictate policy

Once again. The GOP is under no obligation to rubber stamp the democrat liberal agenda.
Fact is, the majority of the American people are opposed to the liberal agenda of socialism which is the current path of the liberal wing of the democrat party.
THAT is why your side is being stopped.

Of course they are not

They are perfectly willing to hold the nation hostage while they throw their political temper tantrum

We will teach you what happens when you don't elect Republixans!

Hostage? From what? A progressive/socialist agenda? Tax and spend? Redistribution of wealth? Punishing success and achievement? Creating more dependency on government?
Hiking energy prices to stratospheric levels? Increasing taxes for political purposes?
Taxing business based on carbon output in order to placate environmentalists?
Taxing investment income at the same rate as earnings essentially taxing earnings TWICE at the same rate? Accepting white guilt as a normal idea?

 

[Cuyo]

Then YOU pay for it....Leave those who are opposed out of your schemes.

Wish I could have pulled that one with the Iraq war

apples to oranges.
The US federal government is constitutionally obligated to fund the ,military.
There is no provision that allows the government to demand citizens buy a product from the government nor does the Constitution permit the federal government to take over an entire industry( medical care).

You know that blip about the "general welfare" you guys hate so much is in the same sentence of the Constitution as that "common defence" bit?

 

[thereisnospoon]

The Republican Party has taken a stance that if they do not get to call the shots , then NOBODY gets to call the shots. They are the first minority party in history to completely block Congress because they could not dictate policy

You leftists really don't understand how a representative republic works, do you?

The GOP works for their constituents, not for the President or the Democratic Party.

I am sooooo naive...

I thought they were supposed to do what is best for the country

Democrats represent their constituents. Got a problem with that?

 

[daveman]

Or to go to the moon either

Okay. I'll trade you NASA for Obamacare.

Bear in mind NASA has a long track record of benefiting society. Obamacare can't and won't.

Obamacare will save more people than NASA ever did

Comes down to are your priorities helping fellow Americans or exploring the stars?

Spoken like someone who has no idea of the spinoffs from space research and their impact.

Besides: CBO: Obamacare Would Cost Over $2 Trillion | The Weekly Standard

 

[jgarden]

Of course we know that....Republicans have no desire for Americans to have affordable healthcare.

That is why they have blocked it for 20 years.

Actually, republicans want healthcare only for Americans who can afford it.

There is no Constitutional provision for the government to be in the healthcare business.

US Constitution: Preamble

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

The "promote the general Welfare" clause provides more than enough of a rationale for the US government to be in the "healthcare business."

 

[daveman]

The Republican Party has taken a stance that if they do not get to call the shots , then NOBODY gets to call the shots. They are the first minority party in history to completely block Congress because they could not dictate policy

You leftists really don't understand how a representative republic works, do you?

The GOP works for their constituents, not for the President or the Democratic Party.

I am sooooo naive...

I thought they were supposed to do what is best for the country

Democrats aren't. Party before country. Every time.

That's why the Dem-controlled Senate is sitting on all the bills the GOP-controlled House sent them -- because they don't want to take a chance that any of them would help the economy, and the GOP could take credit for it.

This is undeniable.

 

[daveman]

Once again. The GOP is under no obligation to rubber stamp the democrat liberal agenda.
Fact is, the majority of the American people are opposed to the liberal agenda of socialism which is the current path of the liberal wing of the democrat party.
THAT is why your side is being stopped.

Of course they are not

They are perfectly willing to hold the nation hostage while they throw their political temper tantrum

We will teach you what happens when you don't elect Republixans!

Hostage? From what? A progressive/socialist agenda? Tax and spend? Redistribution of wealth? Punishing success and achievement? Creating more dependency on government?
Hiking energy prices to stratospheric levels? Increasing taxes for political purposes?
Taxing business based on carbon output in order to placate environmentalists?
Taxing investment income at the same rate as earnings essentially taxing earnings TWICE at the same rate? Accepting white guilt as a normal idea?

The left believes all that is good for America.

 

[Zander]

Wish I could have pulled that one with the Iraq war

apples to oranges.
The US federal government is constitutionally obligated to fund the ,military.
There is no provision that allows the government to demand citizens buy a product from the government nor does the Constitution permit the federal government to take over an entire industry( medical care).

You know that blip about the "general welfare" you guys hate so much is in the same sentence of the Constitution as that "common defence" bit?

Promote the general welfare, provide for the common defense. HUGE difference in the meaning of those words. You FAIL.

 

[daveman]

Actually, republicans want healthcare only for Americans who can afford it.

There is no Constitutional provision for the government to be in the healthcare business.

US Constitution: Preamble

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

The "promote the general Welfare" clause provides more than enough of a rationale for the US government to be in the "healthcare business."

Ahhh.

In that case, my welfare would be promoted if the government provided me a $250K home, a Toyota Tundra pickup, and a 72" LED television.

And you get to pay for it.

 

[daveman]

apples to oranges.
The US federal government is constitutionally obligated to fund the ,military.
There is no provision that allows the government to demand citizens buy a product from the government nor does the Constitution permit the federal government to take over an entire industry( medical care).

You know that blip about the "general welfare" you guys hate so much is in the same sentence of the Constitution as that "common defence" bit?

Promote the general welfare, provide for the common defense. HUGE difference in the meaning of those words. You FAIL.

Both words start with the letter P.

That's good enough for leftists.

 

[Greenbeard]

Promote the general welfare, provide for the common defense. HUGE difference in the meaning of those words. You FAIL.

"Provide" is used for both in Article I, Section 8 in describing the powers of Congress.

"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States..."