The Party of "Do Nothing"

[Cuyo]

apples to oranges.
The US federal government is constitutionally obligated to fund the ,military.
There is no provision that allows the government to demand citizens buy a product from the government nor does the Constitution permit the federal government to take over an entire industry( medical care).

You know that blip about the "general welfare" you guys hate so much is in the same sentence of the Constitution as that "common defence" bit?

Promote the general welfare, provide for the common defense. HUGE difference in the meaning of those words. You FAIL.

Youse will get your day in court. In fact you've already got several and lost most of them.

Do you really think so much resource would go into something as cut and dry illegal as you wish to claim it is?

Get your head in this, man.

 

[rightwinger]

Okay. I'll trade you NASA for Obamacare.

Bear in mind NASA has a long track record of benefiting society. Obamacare can't and won't.

Obamacare will save more people than NASA ever did

Comes down to are your priorities helping fellow Americans or exploring the stars?

Spoken like someone who has no idea of the spinoffs from space research and their impact.

Besides: CBO: Obamacare Would Cost Over $2 Trillion | The Weekly Standard

Oh yes....I forgot about Tang and Velcro

 

[Zander]

Promote the general welfare, provide for the common defense. HUGE difference in the meaning of those words. You FAIL.

"Provide" is used for both in Article I, Section 8 in describing the powers of Congress.

"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States..."

More FAIL. Leftists can't grasp the fact that the "promote the general welfare" clause in the preamble applies only to those government duties specifically enumerated in the Constitution. And those duties are strictly limited.

It's an Orwellian tactic to take a word, make it mean something else, and apply that new meaning to an old text. Calling government handouts "welfare" was a tactic... it wasn't an accident.

Promote the general welfare means to pass good laws that allow citizens and businesses to prosper, not to take more from the people in order to take care of them.

 

[Greenbeard]

Promote the general welfare means to pass good laws that allow citizens and businesses to prosper, not to take more from the people in order to take care of them.

To repeat, in response to your point that there is a "HUGE difference in the meaning" of the words promote and provide, Congress is directed in Article I to provide for the general welfare, not promote it.

You're still using the wrong word. So, presumably, there's a HUGE difference between what you think it means and what you'll think it means once you mentally make that substitution for the actual word used.

 

[rightwinger]

Promote the general welfare means to pass good laws that allow citizens and businesses to prosper, not to take more from the people in order to take care of them.

To repeat, in response to your point that there is a "HUGE difference in the meaning" of the words promote and provide, Congress is directed in Article I to provide for the general welfare, not promote it.

You're still using the wrong word. So, presumably, there's a HUGE difference between what you think it means and what you'll think it means once you mentally make that substitution for the actual word used.

Regardless, the government is not providing healthcare. They are promoting it through increased access to private insurance

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Those who believe there is any such thing as the "liberal media" - SHUT UP and do a little research. If you do, you will find just the opposite. Not gonna argue it because rw's do't think. They just parrot lushbo. BUT, research the FCC and Michael Powell (son of of Lower Bowel Powell, aka, Colin Powel) Just think for yourselves for a change.

As to the OP, its true that the Dems could really learn a thing or two from the lying pubs. But, it ain't gonna happen.

The problem is that the Dems depend on the intellect of the voter.

That's the same intellect that got us two terms of the worst prez in our history and fans of perpetual losers like Mittens and Noot, fruitcake Paul and son and the creep who wants to be out National Sex Sheriff.

See a trend?

 

[Greenbeard]

Regardless, the government is not providing healthcare. They are promoting it through increased access to private insurance

Indeed, favorable tax treatment for the purchase of private insurance in the individual market is on pretty much everyone's list of health policy proposals, even people like Ron Paul (and we know tax benefits for insurance have been in effect in the group market for more than half a century)

 

[Wry Catcher]

They lost their guts in the election cycle just before 08. You know, when they promised to cut the deficit by half in 4 years.

They got NOTHING but empty promises, quickly followed up by free shit so you will forget about the EMPTY PROMISES.

LOL, and the fact that three months before President Obama took the oath of office the economy tanked had nothing to do with later events. Are you as stupid as you appear or simply a liar (yes, lies by omission are still the work of liars) - after a moments thought, you're both.

 

[daveman]

Obamacare will save more people than NASA ever did

Comes down to are your priorities helping fellow Americans or exploring the stars?

Spoken like someone who has no idea of the spinoffs from space research and their impact.

Besides: CBO: Obamacare Would Cost Over $2 Trillion | The Weekly Standard

Oh yes....I forgot about Tang and Velcro

Wrong.

Tang juice powder (Tang was developed by General Foods in 1957, and it has been for sale since 1959. It was used in the first orbit missions, which gave awareness to it.)

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Velcro (A Swiss invention from the 1940s. Velcro was used during the Apollo missions to anchor equipment for astronauts’ convenience in zero gravity situations.)​

Read the rest of the page. Your bitterly-clung-to ignorance will be mitigated.

But you don't want that, do you?

 

[daveman]

Those who believe there is any such thing as the "liberal media" - SHUT UP and do a little research. If you do, you will find just the opposite. Not gonna argue it because rw's do't think. They just parrot lushbo. BUT, research the FCC and Michael Powell (son of of Lower Bowel Powell, aka, Colin Powel) Just think for yourselves for a change.

As to the OP, its true that the Dems could really learn a thing or two from the lying pubs. But, it ain't gonna happen.

The problem is that the Dems depend on the intellect of the voter.

That's the same intellect that got us two terms of the worst prez in our history and fans of perpetual losers like Mittens and Noot, fruitcake Paul and son and the creep who wants to be out National Sex Sheriff.

See a trend?

Yes. Leftists who continually berate others for not thinking are incapable of it themselves.

 

[Trajan]

Recently before Congress Treasury Secretary Geithner responded to a question from Rep. Paul Ryan saying, "You are right to say we're not coming before you today to say 'we have a definitive solution to that long term problem.' What we do know is, we don't like yours."

As Guy Benson at Townhall put it:
Those two sentences speak to a mentality so bereft of intellectual vigor, so stunningly and candidly shallow, so thoroughly irresponsible, so politically myopic, selfish, and cowardly, that it should disqualify this crew from a second term in office. What a disgrace. Remember this moment the next time Democrats accuse the GOP of being the "do nothing," intransigent, "party of no."

Reason Foundation - Out of Control Policy Blog > Which is the "Do Nothing" Party?


So when exactly did the democrats lose their guts? How come they don't have the balls to say that we're never going to cut spending, we're never going to change the entitlement programs unless it's to make them bigger, and we don't care one iota how high the debt/deficits grow.

Damn...that's a good one

Geitner nailed it and sent Ryan packing.
The Ryan plan is nothing but partisanship developed to sooth the Republican base

you do know that Oregon's senator a dem. (wyden) has been trying along whit ryan to get a plan together to get people to the table, all plans start the same way, then they sit down and compromise BUT there is no compromise, the dems want to run on the tuired old BS, mediscare, I mean how intellectually vacuous is that when you won't even sit down and talk about? have you not a shred of fairness, anywhere inside you? ......you don't have anything to really say, do you? you won't consider anything and you don't much care becasue like most uber partisans you have been goven your orders, bleet long and loud- do nothing congress, despite the senate being dem...its beyond stupid.

 

[Zander]

Those who believe there is any such thing as the "liberal media" - SHUT UP and do a little research. If you do, you will find just the opposite. Not gonna argue it because rw's do't think. They just parrot lushbo. BUT, research the FCC and Michael Powell (son of of Lower Bowel Powell, aka, Colin Powel) Just think for yourselves for a change.

As to the OP, its true that the Dems could really learn a thing or two from the lying pubs. But, it ain't gonna happen.

The problem is that the Dems depend on the intellect of the voter.

That's the same intellect that got us two terms of the worst prez in our history and fans of perpetual losers like Mittens and Noot, fruitcake Paul and son and the creep who wants to be out National Sex Sheriff.

See a trend?

Yes. Leftists who continually berate others for not thinking are incapable of it themselves.

99% of Leftists give the rest a bad name..

 

[daveman]

Those who believe there is any such thing as the "liberal media" - SHUT UP and do a little research. If you do, you will find just the opposite. Not gonna argue it because rw's do't think. They just parrot lushbo. BUT, research the FCC and Michael Powell (son of of Lower Bowel Powell, aka, Colin Powel) Just think for yourselves for a change.

As to the OP, its true that the Dems could really learn a thing or two from the lying pubs. But, it ain't gonna happen.

The problem is that the Dems depend on the intellect of the voter.

That's the same intellect that got us two terms of the worst prez in our history and fans of perpetual losers like Mittens and Noot, fruitcake Paul and son and the creep who wants to be out National Sex Sheriff.

See a trend?

Yes. Leftists who continually berate others for not thinking are incapable of it themselves.

99% of Leftists give the rest a bad name..

 

[Oddball]

As to the OP, its true that the Dems could really learn a thing or two from the lying pubs. But, it ain't gonna happen.

If the dems were capable of learning anything, we'd all be a lot better off.

The problem is that the Dems depend on the intellect of the voter.

...being on a par with third-graders.

 

[logical4u]

Those who believe there is any such thing as the "liberal media" - SHUT UP and do a little research. If you do, you will find just the opposite. Not gonna argue it because rw's do't think. They just parrot lushbo. BUT, research the FCC and Michael Powell (son of of Lower Bowel Powell, aka, Colin Powel) Just think for yourselves for a change.

As to the OP, its true that the Dems could really learn a thing or two from the lying pubs. But, it ain't gonna happen.

The problem is that the Dems depend on the intellect of the voter.

That's the same intellect that got us two terms of the worst prez in our history and fans of perpetual losers like Mittens and Noot, fruitcake Paul and son and the creep who wants to be out National Sex Sheriff.

See a trend?

Why are you bringing up Clinton?

 

[jgarden]

There is no Constitutional provision for the government to be in the healthcare business.

US Constitution: Preamble

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

The "promote the general Welfare" clause provides more than enough of a rationale for the US government to be in the "healthcare business."

Ahhh. In that case, my welfare would be promoted if the government provided me a $25K home, a Toyota Tundra pickup, and a 72" LED television.

And you get to pay for it.

Is this what now passes for an serious rebuttal in the "People's Republic of Daveman?"

Although the Preamble doesn't itemize or delegate specific federal powers, it does provide an overview of the original general intensions of the Founding Fathers, something near and dear to the hearts of all good conservatives.

I wouldn't want to the one trying to formulate a convincing argument for the Supreme Court arguing that promoting the nation's healthcare and "promot(ing) the general Welfare" are mutually exclusive.

 

[hortysir]

So when exactly did the democrats lose their guts? How come they don't have the balls to say that we're never going to cut spending, we're never going to change the entitlement programs unless it's to make them bigger, and we don't care one iota how high the debt/deficits grow.

Because that’s not their goal, that’s a partisan contrivance.

It’s Congress’ responsibility to address the issues of spending and deficits, with the House taking lead, not the Executive.

Now, if the House were to come up with a responsible, comprehensive plan, one that doesn’t attempt to balance the budget on the backs of the elderly, working class, and disabled, and devoid of partisan idiocy, the Administration would likely enter into talks in good faith to turn such a plan into law.

Why not the Senate????????