The jobs are leaving! The jobs are leaving!

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    I have an honest question for everyone here in both parties; Where are we on isolationism? How do you guys feel about bringing jobs back, either through tarriffs on imports, or on making laws to prohibit outsourcing, both, or any other means?

    The labor pool is flooded, which has forced real wages into the toilet and put the clamp on the middle class. So many people are desperate for work that they'll take far less than someone in their position would make otherwise, and companies are happy to oblige paying them far less.

    Thoughts?
     
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    Break the stranglehold of Unions. And get government off the backs of small business.
     
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    yep...we should compete for jobs with mexico and pay our workers the same wages.

    well, that will solve the problem of illegal immigration anyway.

    the idea that unions shouldn't exist is pretty silly.
     
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    A tarrif is just one more way to line the pocketbook of public officials at the expense of the public.

    It does nothing to protect American workers. Making a better product for less cost does that. Since taxes are a cost, it winds up costing more jobs than it theoretically might save.
     
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    Unions are an instrument of capitalism, specifically it's the unders telling the overs "You can't do this without us." I know they typically support the democratic party, but they are not government instruments. They are a part of the free market.

    Eliminating them would be an infringement on people's right to assemble.
     
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    Hey it's the wonderful Global Economy baby. Ain't it great? Personally,i feel that a bit more "Protectionism" & "Isolationism" are exactly what this nation needs at this point. I don't think those two words are nearly the dirty words that some have made them out to be. Globalism is definitely way overrated.
     
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    Globalism has not been friendly to us in the U.S., that's for sure. It's basically forcing us to abandon the way we did business for so long to follow the baseline of other nations, all of whom are poor in comparison, since WWII anyway.

    Economists call this the "Race to the bottom."
     
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    Unions in the private sector are almost a non issue now. Unionization as a percentage of all workers continues to shrink, and what little growth there is for unions is almost entirely public sector.

    She didn't say wages either. Wages are skill to market driven. Unions are not so much about wages as they are about work rules and seniority.

    Public sector unions are very aggressive about hire/fire. Which means they can't fire. Which meas in places like NYC, the district has over 600 teachers who are in the "rubber room" which is where they send teachers they can't allow to have contact with students for various criminal offenses but can't fire.

    Since public sector is protected like this, public sector payrolls increase forever, and taxes have to go up forever to pay for it.
     
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    Globalism really is way over-rated. The Global Economy hasn't done anything for the average American worker. In fact it has only hurt them.
     
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    I think she said "Break the stranglehold" not remove them from existence.

    Unions cause much of the problem. Reducing their influence would be a good start...not strengthening it like Obama is doing.
     

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