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>>If the Bible is the Word of God then that word is evil, psychotic, depraved, contradictory, unjust, hateful and absurd.<<
Either that or God speaks in parables just as He did to His apostles. There is a divine purpose for keeping us partially in mystery. Only those in virtually perfect union with God are given the greater insight. Put it this way --- if one is not truly humble, they have little chance of rising in holiness. Jesus said that most do not come to know God and love God because of a sluggish heart.
>>If you don't know the answers then you clearly do not know the Bible/Word of God.<<
You are far too arrogant to be given enough grace to discern wisely. (imo)
>> BTW I am not here to disprove God because one cannot disprove a negative. I can and I have totally disproved the Bible and I used the Bible to do it and since I am a Biblical scholar I can do it with one brain tied behind my back.<<
Jesus said “if you will not put faith in my words put faith in the works that I do.” You following? God gave the skeptic other means for manifesting His reality. Signs and wonders which have no natural explanation. So laugh of His Word all you want, but don’t try to pretend those miracles are tricks and lies. Your pretext “it simply cannot be” fails.
>>Now you are lying hard. You cannot cite any wonders and miracles that you can use to prove the validity of the Bible or the existence of your pathetic God.<<
I know I can. Alleluia.
>>Here are 9 statements by Jesus saying that WHATEVER you pray for you will receive so now you have no excuse. If your prayers go unanswered then your Bible is BULL SHIT. - - - - - - 1) And Jesus answered and said to them, "Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,' it will happen. "And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive." (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)… [repeat nine times]<<
Various ways of commenting on that, I would consult saints writings for the best answers. I suppose the most common response is that God answers our prayers, but in ways that are best for us, reasons we cannot understand now but will. I know that does not satisfy you in the least because verbatim meaning is what you expect. Ah, cannot help you. But neither am I going to turn my back on what I do know about my God and heaven and eternity. Quite a bit of evidence for God despite His “human-interpreted lie of a promise” to just walk away from. Eternity is a serious matter and very much a reality.
(Attributed to a battle weary confederate soldier near the end of the war)
I asked God for strength, that I might achieve;
I was made weak, that I might learn humbly to obey.
I asked for health, that I might do greater things;
I was given infirmity, that I might do better things.
I asked for riches, that I might be happy;
I was given poverty, that I might be wise.
I asked for power, that I might have the praise of men;
I was given weakness, that I might feel the need of God.
I asked for all things, that I might enjoy life;
I was given life, that I might enjoy all things.
I got nothing that I asked for, but everything I hoped for.
Almost despite myself, my unspoken prayers were answered.
I am among all men most richly blessed.
Jesus spoke in parables to confuse people so that they would screw up.
Mark: Jesus explains why he speaks in parables: to confuse people so they will go to hell. 4:11-12
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>>If the Bible is the Word of God then that word is evil, psychotic, depraved, contradictory, unjust, hateful and absurd.<<
Either that or God speaks in parables just as He did to His apostles. There is a divine purpose for keeping us partially in mystery. Only those in virtually perfect union with God are given the greater insight. Put it this way --- if one is not truly humble, they have little chance of rising in holiness. Jesus said that most do not come to know God and love God because of a sluggish heart.
>>If you don't know the answers then you clearly do not know the Bible/Word of God.<<
You are far too arrogant to be given enough grace to discern wisely. (imo)
>> BTW I am not here to disprove God because one cannot disprove a negative. I can and I have totally disproved the Bible and I used the Bible to do it and since I am a Biblical scholar I can do it with one brain tied behind my back.<<
Jesus said “if you will not put faith in my words put faith in the works that I do.” You following? God gave the skeptic other means for manifesting His reality. Signs and wonders which have no natural explanation. So laugh of His Word all you want, but don’t try to pretend those miracles are tricks and lies. Your pretext “it simply cannot be” fails.
>>Now you are lying hard. You cannot cite any wonders and miracles that you can use to prove the validity of the Bible or the existence of your pathetic God.<<
I know I can. Alleluia.
>>Here are 9 statements by Jesus saying that WHATEVER you pray for you will receive so now you have no excuse. If your prayers go unanswered then your Bible is BULL SHIT. - - - - - - 1) And Jesus answered and said to them, "Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,' it will happen. "And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive." (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)… [repeat nine times]<<
Various ways of commenting on that, I would consult saints writings for the best answers. I suppose the most common response is that God answers our prayers, but in ways that are best for us, reasons we cannot understand now but will. I know that does not satisfy you in the least because verbatim meaning is what you expect. Ah, cannot help you. But neither am I going to turn my back on what I do know about my God and heaven and eternity. Quite a bit of evidence for God despite His “human-interpreted lie of a promise” to just walk away from. Eternity is a serious matter and very much a reality.
(Attributed to a battle weary confederate soldier near the end of the war)
I asked God for strength, that I might achieve;
I was made weak, that I might learn humbly to obey.
I asked for health, that I might do greater things;
I was given infirmity, that I might do better things.
I asked for riches, that I might be happy;
I was given poverty, that I might be wise.
I asked for power, that I might have the praise of men;
I was given weakness, that I might feel the need of God.
I asked for all things, that I might enjoy life;
I was given life, that I might enjoy all things.
I got nothing that I asked for, but everything I hoped for.
Almost despite myself, my unspoken prayers were answered.
I am among all men most richly blessed.
Jesus spoke in parables to confuse people so that they would screw up.
Mark: Jesus explains why he speaks in parables: to confuse people so they will go to hell. 4:11-12
Or perhaps that is why He gave us His Church. So we would not be so "clever" and go it alone. We need a Church, a community, and a need to help one another.
Your ways of trying to dumb down what God has said to us and given to us are really quite parochial. For someone who thinks he is so clever you sure miss the boat quite often. Your demands upon God are also that of a pride-hurt school boy.
Do you really care to know the truth and why God has put us on this earth? Or do you prefer to hate and impress those who know even less than you? Are you so "clever" to think there is no concrete evidence and reason for God's existence? Are you one of those who believes a rock can turn into a living cell with a thousand machines inside of it, all by chance? And then later on turn into an eye ball and a liver and a spine, all by chance? And that is being clever? (sigh)