The 3rd Party I think we need.

[AmyNation]

Every time people start talking about new parties. They always seem to envision a party that is at the far end of the Spectrum. Either left or right. I think that is why 3rd parties never get off the ground, well that and the fact the 2 parties rig the game.

What I think we need is a party of the center. A party that can draw both Blue Dog Democrats, and Moderate Republicans into it. Let the Dems and GOP be ruled by the Extremes while we build a new party.

But alas that's just a pipe dream lol.

I'll say it again, I just LOVE seeing my stuff on the screen:

Start the Party of God. Let all the hardcore social conservatives start their own party, they're so sure everyone agrees with them, and they can have the purity they so crave.

That would leave the GOP to the fiscal conservatives/social moderates. It would grab a ton of moderates, independents, and some Democrats.

Poof! Simple as that.

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Amen!

I'd vote for that, and I know many many people who would happily join on a true fiscal conservative platform.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

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[Wiseacre]

Not necessarily. With our election system, it's true that there are likely to be only two strong parties in the long run, but a temporary split for one wouldn't necessarily mean perpetual dominance for the other. It could simply be a necessary step on re-aligning of the party in question to better reflect the values of the electorate.

I don't agree, you are supposing that a somewhat equal number of liberals would leave the democrats for the new party, or a substantial number of independents would join up. I don't see either scenario happening, independents are independent for a reason.

Actually, I wasn't assuming any Democrats would defect, though I suppose some would. I was merely saying that a temporary split of the Republicans wouldn't last - eventually one strong party would coalesce - hopefully around values and ideology that better reflected the views of those unhappy with the plans of the Democrats.

Right now I'm seeing 2 different political philosophies, the European model vs the American model. The democrats are following the first, the republicans the second. I'm not seeing how a 3rd party fits in here, some kind of mixture? Not sure I see how that changes anything for the better.

I think I just wasn't clear in what I was suggesting. What I meant was that a third party break could be a precursor to a new party - or significant rework of the old one. I agree that, with our current voting system, it will almost always boil down to two strong parties.

But I'm curious about your two political philosophies. Can you characterize them? What are the key differences between the philosophies in your view?

It comes down to the role of gov't. The modern liberal philosophy calls for a large central gov't that assumes more responsibility for it's citizens vs a smaller gov't that assumes less. Less personal responsibility, freedoms, and rights vs more. More control over the economy vs less.

 

[LibertyLemming]

The Republican and Democrat parties are basically this. Well, both are located in almost the same spot right of center.

 

[Wiseacre]

The Republican and Democrat parties are basically this. Well, both are located in almost the same spot right of center.

You think the Democratic Party is right of center? May I ask why?

 

[Wiseacre]

Every time people start talking about new parties. They always seem to envision a party that is at the far end of the Spectrum. Either left or right. I think that is why 3rd parties never get off the ground, well that and the fact the 2 parties rig the game.

What I think we need is a party of the center. A party that can draw both Blue Dog Democrats, and Moderate Republicans into it. Let the Dems and GOP be ruled by the Extremes while we build a new party.

But alas that's just a pipe dream lol.

I'll say it again, I just LOVE seeing my stuff on the screen:

Start the Party of God. Let all the hardcore social conservatives start their own party, they're so sure everyone agrees with them, and they can have the purity they so crave.

That would leave the GOP to the fiscal conservatives/social moderates. It would grab a ton of moderates, independents, and some Democrats.

Poof! Simple as that.

.

Social conservatives are not going to leave the GOP to create their own party. The deal they've got now is as good as it's going to get for them; if anyone leaves it'll be the fiscal conservatives getting into bed with the libertarians. All of which is sweet music to the ears of the democrats; they'll be assured of control of Congress and the WH or a very long time.

 

[Shelzin]

Libertarians attract the best of the fringe. No doubt about that. Too many of today's pseudo intellectuals who flock to the Libertarian party forget the prime directive of representative government: Politics is the art of compromise, and politics is how we govern.

Libertarians value principles over the society they were created to serve.

A society founded on those principles. Which... Have become warped in my opinion to something that it was never intended to be. That, of course, is my opinion... And the representative that I vote to represent me will of course represent that opinion in order to serve me... Unless of course they are a republican delegate.

plus look at how they say so much and when you step back and look at what they said...it adds up to very little.

*blink*blink*

I disagree.

Libertarian principles its has been argued, are those of America's founding fathers. But the US Constitution was written by the framers and it was ratified and got it's legitimacy from the people who ratified it, not by the founders, the framers, or the States.

Many people wanted different things and the USA is the result of compromise. A strong Federal government? Some citizens preferred or wanted a type of benign Royalty? A weak federal government? The colonists were all over the place

And it got to be that way by the choice of who we voted to represent us. Well... That's what libertarians are trying to do... Same thing that has always happened. Try to vote people in that represent their values.

Really wither or not it is akin to the founding fathers is irrelevant.

 

[thanatos144]

If any of you think being pro life lost this election then your a idiot. What lost this was a moderate candidate who didnt want to be called a racist.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I would guess that if a 3rd party came into existence it would get 8 or 9 out of 10 members from the GOP. You would in effect split the republican vote and have one big Democrat Party and 2 small parties who would always be in the minority. The WH would remain in democrat hands in perpetuity. I'm sure they'd love nothing better than seeing a new 3rd party.

Don't you think that would push the GOP to improve?

 

[thanatos144]

I would guess that if a 3rd party came into existence it would get 8 or 9 out of 10 members from the GOP. You would in effect split the republican vote and have one big Democrat Party and 2 small parties who would always be in the minority. The WH would remain in democrat hands in perpetuity. I'm sure they'd love nothing better than seeing a new 3rd party.

Don't you think that would push the GOP to improve?

the less they are ;like you the better. the GOP doesnt need to become abortion supporting Jew haters. Leave that to the progressives and Paulbots.

 

[Charles_Main]

Every time people start talking about new parties. They always seem to envision a party that is at the far end of the Spectrum. Either left or right. I think that is why 3rd parties never get off the ground, well that and the fact the 2 parties rig the game.

What I think we need is a party of the center. A party that can draw both Blue Dog Democrats, and Moderate Republicans into it. Let the Dems and GOP be ruled by the Extremes while we build a new party.

But alas that's just a pipe dream lol.

I'll say it again, I just LOVE seeing my stuff on the screen:

Start the Party of God. Let all the hardcore social conservatives start their own party, they're so sure everyone agrees with them, and they can have the purity they so crave.

That would leave the GOP to the fiscal conservatives/social moderates. It would grab a ton of moderates, independents, and some Democrats.

Poof! Simple as that.

.

Social conservatives are not going to leave the GOP to create their own party. The deal they've got now is as good as it's going to get for them; if anyone leaves it'll be the fiscal conservatives getting into bed with the libertarians. All of which is sweet music to the ears of the democrats; they'll be assured of control of Congress and the WH or a very long time.

That's why I was so excited when the Tea Party first started. It almost, For a min, looked like it would be a party for Fiscal Cons, and Constitutionalists like myself. Yet despite the name, it soon because nothing but another thing Social Cons fucked up.

 

[thanatos144]

I'll say it again, I just LOVE seeing my stuff on the screen:

Start the Party of God. Let all the hardcore social conservatives start their own party, they're so sure everyone agrees with them, and they can have the purity they so crave.

That would leave the GOP to the fiscal conservatives/social moderates. It would grab a ton of moderates, independents, and some Democrats.

Poof! Simple as that.

.

Social conservatives are not going to leave the GOP to create their own party. The deal they've got now is as good as it's going to get for them; if anyone leaves it'll be the fiscal conservatives getting into bed with the libertarians. All of which is sweet music to the ears of the democrats; they'll be assured of control of Congress and the WH or a very long time.

That's why I was so excited when the Tea Party first started. It almost, For a min, looked like it would be a party for Fiscal Cons, and Constitutionalists like myself. Yet despite the name, it soon because nothing but another thing Social Cons fucked up.

Whats fucked up is someone who thinks being Pro life is wrong. Only in a sick twisted mind does not wanting innocent babies killed mean being wrong......It isnt us that needs to evolve it is you that needs to.

 

[Shelzin]

If any of you think being pro life lost this election then your a idiot. What lost this was a moderate candidate who didnt want to be called a racist.

Oh... This should be fun.

What about Mitt was moderate?

Honestly Thanatos.... I'm going to enjoy showing you the flips and flops which you obviously haven't seen...

 

[Missouri_Mike]

A state is either red or blue so it's easy to think there are just people who are red or just people who are blue. Most of us are made up of shades of purple when all is said and done.

Isn't purple what got us here? Purple means compromising and spending maybe not so much in deficit but enough. Purple means the Constitution is kinda not what it says but a compromise of what it may say.

You can't compromise with destruction it just makes the destruction smaller and more incremental. Kinda where we've been for the last 100 years. Compromise will not and can not bring us any closer to freedom and the founding of the nation. Only further away.

 

[thanatos144]

If any of you think being pro life lost this election then your a idiot. What lost this was a moderate candidate who didnt want to be called a racist.

Oh... This should be fun.

What about Mitt was moderate?

Honestly Thanatos.... I'm going to enjoy showing you the flips and flops which you obviously haven't seen...

You are a idiot. truly are.

 

[thanatos144]

You have a right to Life only if your not a baby????How the fuck is that conservative?

 

[P F Tinmore]

I almost voted Republican in '76. Couldn't tell the difference between Ford and Carter for a while. Almost did again in '96, if Powell had run. Clinton seemed like damaged goods that couldn't win. Twenty years apart and now we're coming up to 2016! Not saying I see a Republican on the horizon I'd vote for, but if they don't wise up very few may ever consider them again. We need a new paradigm and you know what I favor. It seems the only way can break the Republicrat duopoly.

The only way to break the Republicrat duopoly is to quit voting for them.

Did you?

No. Voted Johnson this time, McKinney last time.

 

[Wiseacre]

I would guess that if a 3rd party came into existence it would get 8 or 9 out of 10 members from the GOP. You would in effect split the republican vote and have one big Democrat Party and 2 small parties who would always be in the minority. The WH would remain in democrat hands in perpetuity. I'm sure they'd love nothing better than seeing a new 3rd party.

Don't you think that would push the GOP to improve?

Yes, I would hope so. I hear they are more willing now to do something about the immigration problem, we'll see if they really mean it. I'm waiting to see what they do with respect to all the tax increases we're slated to get the first of the year. The economy is going to take a major hit pretty soon if they raise taxes that much.

 

[Shelzin]

If any of you think being pro life lost this election then your a idiot. What lost this was a moderate candidate who didnt want to be called a racist.

Oh... This should be fun.

What about Mitt was moderate?

Honestly Thanatos.... I'm going to enjoy showing you the flips and flops which you obviously haven't seen...

You are a idiot. truly are.

Don't want to play eh?

So that means you already know what you are saying is bullshit. But you say it anyway. Why would you do that?

 

[thanatos144]

Oh... This should be fun.

What about Mitt was moderate?

Honestly Thanatos.... I'm going to enjoy showing you the flips and flops which you obviously haven't seen...

You are a idiot. truly are.

Don't want to play eh?

So that means you already know what you are saying is bullshit. But you say it anyway. Why would you do that?

Play what? The game of answer your post you already answered for me? I hope you are wearing hockey gear when licking those windows.