Swedish parents keep 2-year-old's gender secret

[xotoxi]

Its not an "odd ball" thing to do Its child abuse.

It would be child abuse if they hit the child with a club repeatedly as a punishment for telling friends that he has a "wee wee".

It is not child abuse keeping hair a certain length and dressing a certain way.

 

[Sweet Willy]

Good thing Sweden has free health care.

Pop will be quite busy at the analyist for some years to come.

'Cruel to assign a gender...'

Oh, that nasty nature!

I don't see it. I don't see that the kid doesn't know it's own gender. Others aren't being told. Others don't get to tell Pop that he shouldn't cry because "big boys don't cry." They don't get to tell Pop not to catch toads because "little ladies don't play with toads".

Sure, who needs 1 million years of behavior norms?

Of course this is much better, they should have thought of it years ago!

Just deny what you are, what a great plan!

Yes, this won't make the kid crazy....

Of course "big boys don't cry" is a completely rational gender role that has helped so many young boys become well adjusted men.

Shrinks make a good living trying to deconstruct such bullshit.

 

[Xenophon]

Of course "big boys don't cry" is a completely rational gender role that has helped so many young boys become well adjusted men.

Shrinks make a good living trying to deconstruct such bullshit.

Small change compared to what they will make off 'pop' if it had to pay.

 

[JBeukema]

A gender role they may not be willing to accept? Are you fucking kidding? Boys have penises and girls have vaginas. Everyone in the animal kingdom is "willing to accept" that. Exc the freaks.

 

[chanel]

BTW - I have been involved with handicapped children most of my adult life. Great progress has been made as far as acceptance and opportunity for these kids. Shame on those who say that they should embrace their disabilities.

We can choose our roles but we do not get to choose our gender. Unless we are rich like Chaz Bono and can find a proper surgeon.

Is homosexuality a "choice"?

Wackos.

 

[Phoenix]

Typical conservative, twisted sex obsession with kids.

A two year old toodler has no use for your sexual ideas.

At two years old they already notice the difference between boys and girls/men and women. They want to know why boys have that thingy and girls have not. (Of course, they usually giggle because they think that it's funny that girls have not.) So will the parents tell the child that their gender is based on the equipment they have or what?

If the parents are strenuously trying to keep their child neutral - that could be problematic but if they merely step back and allow their child to develop on his/her own ... well, it might not be what I would choose but it probably won't really screw the kid up.

We're basically hard-wired anyway. Give a boy and a girl each a stick. The boy will immediately pretend it is a gun, poke at something dead with it or create something dead with it. A girl might dress it up, draw in the dirt with it or even use it to stir up mud pie batter.

Boys seem to come from the womb with a rebel yell and destroying their toys. Girls are generally quieter and more nurturing. It's just biology.

 

[Nik]

A gender role they may not be willing to accept? Are you fucking kidding? Boys have penises and girls have vaginas. Everyone in the animal kingdom is "willing to accept" that. Exc the freaks.

Yes we are all individuals.But we live in a society that has norms.Like sexuality. At least I do.

Difference between gender and sex. Sex is your body parts, gender is how you identify. No reason that just because one has a vagina one should wear pink, or just because one has a penis one should like trucks.

 

[Sweet Willy]

Typical conservative, twisted sex obsession with kids.

A two year old toodler has no use for your sexual ideas.

At two years old they already notice the difference between boys and girls/men and women. They want to know why boys have that thingy and girls have not. (Of course, they usually giggle because they think that it's funny that girls have not.) So will the parents tell the child that their gender is based on the equipment they have or what?

If the parents are strenuously trying to keep their child neutral - that could be problematic but if they merely step back and allow their child to develop on his/her own ... well, it might not be what I would choose but it probably won't really screw the kid up.

We're basically hard-wired anyway. Give a boy and a girl each a stick. The boy will immediately pretend it is a gun, poke at something dead with it or create something dead with it. A girl might dress it up, draw in the dirt with it or even use it to stir up mud pie batter.

Boys seem to come from the womb with a rebel yell and destroying their toys. Girls are generally quieter and more nurturing. It's just biology.

I do suspect the child is cross gender, in the physical sense.

However, a little boy pretending a stick is a gun is the exact kind of influenced gender role that is absolutely not biological. First, the child has to know what a gun is. They aren't born knowing that. Secondly, if we started making movies and comics that depicted little boys making pies and little girls shooting guns, those roles would reverse. That is NOT biological.

 

[Anguille]

BTW - I have been involved with handicapped children most of my adult life. Great progress has been made as far as acceptance and opportunity for these kids. Shame on those who say that they should embrace their disabilities.

What do you mean by "embrace their disabilities"? Why shouldn't so called handicapped kids accept themselves as they are? Where is the shame in being different?

 

[Phoenix]

I do suspect the child is cross gender, in the physical sense.

If that is indeed the case, it's more difficult.

However, a little boy pretending a stick is a gun is the exact kind of influenced gender role that is absolutely not biological. First, the child has to know what a gun is. They aren't born knowing that. Secondly, if we started making movies and comics that depicted little boys making pies and little girls shooting guns, those roles would reverse. That is NOT biological.

While I respectfully disagree, I will disagree nonetheless.

I don't think that the roles would reverse universally. I do believe that much of our drives are hard-wired into us biologically and would pop up with or without encouragement.

 

[Anguille]

I don't think that the roles would reverse universally. I do believe that much of our drives are hard-wired into us biologically and would pop up with or without encouragement.

I agree with both you and Willy. I think some very basic and valid generalizations can be made concerning the psychology of boys versus girls, but that these show really very shallow differences between the two. And that there are more exemptions to the rule than believed.
I think we like to put things into neat compartments and say girls are like this and boys are like that but in reality it's not so cut and dry.

 

[Nik]

BTW - I have been involved with handicapped children most of my adult life. Great progress has been made as far as acceptance and opportunity for these kids. Shame on those who say that they should embrace their disabilities.

We can choose our roles but we do not get to choose our gender. Unless we are rich like Chaz Bono and can find a proper surgeon.

Is homosexuality a "choice"?

Wackos.

Actually you do get to choose your gender. You can dress however you like.

 

[Nik]

Typical conservative, twisted sex obsession with kids.

A two year old toodler has no use for your sexual ideas.

At two years old they already notice the difference between boys and girls/men and women. They want to know why boys have that thingy and girls have not. (Of course, they usually giggle because they think that it's funny that girls have not.) So will the parents tell the child that their gender is based on the equipment they have or what?

If the parents are strenuously trying to keep their child neutral - that could be problematic but if they merely step back and allow their child to develop on his/her own ... well, it might not be what I would choose but it probably won't really screw the kid up.

We're basically hard-wired anyway. Give a boy and a girl each a stick. The boy will immediately pretend it is a gun, poke at something dead with it or create something dead with it. A girl might dress it up, draw in the dirt with it or even use it to stir up mud pie batter.

Boys seem to come from the womb with a rebel yell and destroying their toys. Girls are generally quieter and more nurturing. It's just biology.

Some of its biology, some of its not.

 

[MaggieMae]

A couple of Swedish parents have stirred up debate in the country by refusing to reveal whether their two-and-a-half-year-old child is a boy or a girl.

Pop’s parents [see footnote], both 24, made a decision when their baby was born to keep Pop’s sex a secret. Aside from a select few – those who have changed the child’s diaper – nobody knows Pop’s gender; if anyone enquires, Pop’s parents simply say they don’t disclose this information.

In an interview with newspaper Svenska Dagbladet in March, the parents were quoted saying their decision was rooted in the feminist philosophy that gender is a social construction.

“We want Pop to grow up more freely and avoid being forced into a specific gender mould from the outset,” Pop’s mother said. “It's cruel to bring a child into the world with a blue or pink stamp on their forehead.”

The child's parents said so long as they keep Pop’s gender a secret, he or she will be able to avoid preconceived notions of how people should be treated if male or female.

Pop's wardrobe includes everything from dresses to trousers and Pop's hairstyle changes on a regular basis. And Pop usually decides how Pop is going to dress on a given morning.

Although Pop knows that there are physical differences between a boy and a girl, Pop's parents never use personal pronouns when referring to the child – they just say Pop.

"I believe that the self-confidence and personality that Pop has shaped will remain for a lifetime," said Pop's mother.

But while Pop’s parents say they have received supportive feedback from many of their peers, not everyone agrees that their chosen course of action will have a positive outcome.

Swedish parents keep 2-year-old's gender secret - The Local

Can you take a guess as to whether these parents are liberal or conservative?

Why on earth would you even CARE? Will it affect your life, personally?

I think the CDC should investigate the emergence of a new disease--an obsession that everything under the sun must have a political bent to it.

 

[manifold]

Holy Crap!

I just saw this and haven't read through the thread yet, but this gem really caught my eye.

“We want Pop to grow up more freely and avoid being forced into a specific gender mould from the outset,” Pop’s mother said. “It's cruel to bring a child into the world with a blue or pink stamp on their forehead.”

Sure, like sentencing your kid to this fucking hell is less cruel.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Did you ever think maybe Pop is both and there are waiting for he/she to decide what they want to be?
Plus we can tell you are a conservative because you feel the need to question someone else's parenting skills.

Isn't it painfully clear that these parents have no parenting skills and no common sense either?

And BTW, I've regularly proclaimed quite proudly that I am a conservative.

What does parenting skills have to do with telling people the gender of your child?

Common sense? Thats the phrase people use when they feel something but have no rational basis for feeling such. Just because you act a certain way doesn't mean other people should.

You know, now that I think of it, the real value of this thread is as a "Poster-Trap"!

The premise of the parents in the OP is so absurdly rediculous, that the thread merely exposes those members of our community who have no identity or life other than as someone who sits at a keyboard and finds something- anything- to argue about, to disagree with, to comment on.

I don't want to label anyone as such, so let me just make up some names of folks like that, oh, let's say 'Assiul', and, how about 'Kin'...

And these two, Assiul and Kin, have children, and they let them make up their gender, and their academic credentials, and their body piercings,...

Anyone recall the film "A Thousand Clowns,' where the clild is allowed to make up his own name? And for two weeks this little kid is 'Dr. Morris Fishbein'?

Maybe Assiul and Kin know where the other 998 clowns are.

 

[GHook93]

I can guess whether or not the parents are complete fucking morons with no business in having children? I can guess on whether or not little Pop will have huge issues with gender identification when he/she gets older that will effect her for the rest of his/her life? I can guess on whether or not if these keeps up when little pop starts school, that he/she will quickly become an outcast?

Some people, just because you have male and female genitalia doesn't mean you should have kids!

Can you take a guess as to whether these parents are liberal or conservative?

 

[Nik]

Holy Crap!

I just saw this and haven't read through the thread yet, but this gem really caught my eye.

“We want Pop to grow up more freely and avoid being forced into a specific gender mould from the outset,” Pop’s mother said. “It's cruel to bring a child into the world with a blue or pink stamp on their forehead.”

Sure, like sentencing your kid to this fucking hell is less cruel.

Yes, not being caught in gender norms is so hellish! Because the more expectations people have for us to act a certain way the better our life is!

 

[Nik]

Isn't it painfully clear that these parents have no parenting skills and no common sense either?

And BTW, I've regularly proclaimed quite proudly that I am a conservative.

What does parenting skills have to do with telling people the gender of your child?

Common sense? Thats the phrase people use when they feel something but have no rational basis for feeling such. Just because you act a certain way doesn't mean other people should.

You know, now that I think of it, the real value of this thread is as a "Poster-Trap"!

The premise of the parents in the OP is so absurdly rediculous, that the thread merely exposes those members of our community who have no identity or life other than as someone who sits at a keyboard and finds something- anything- to argue about, to disagree with, to comment on.

I don't want to label anyone as such, so let me just make up some names of folks like that, oh, let's say 'Assiul', and, how about 'Kin'...

And these two, Assiul and Kin, have children, and they let them make up their gender, and their academic credentials, and their body piercings,...

Anyone recall the film "A Thousand Clowns,' where the clild is allowed to make up his own name? And for two weeks this little kid is 'Dr. Morris Fishbein'?

Maybe Assiul and Kin know where the other 998 clowns are.

Umm, they aren't sitting at the keyboard trying to find things to comment on. That would be you. They are just living their life with their kid.

 

[GHook93]

As far as the parents, I don't know about their politics. If they molested the child we could say they are more likely conservative.

That is defamation is the least!
Much like your views on the middle east you are extremely arrogant!