So having "principles" means I can never NOT vote GOP???

Teachers aren't without their level of scrutiny though. Our education is declining. It's parents' fault too for sure, but there are some crappy ass teachers that aren't being dealt with. Take it from me here in NJ where the teachers union calls the shots. About the only worthwhile thing Christie has done is take them on, and even still, he's been too soft.
 
Saw the trend of responses to me this week. Apparantely, the GOP gives a standard issue set of opinions. Issued to every right winger, from which he or she will never falter. Never question. Never EVER publicly denounce. That no matter what happens in politics, if it is being done or suggested by a GOP/Tea Party candidate, one must agree with it or silently shut the fuck up. And God forbid entertain the idea of making these TP candidates EARN my vote....or if not....vote against them.

My principles are fairly simple. Politicians are elected representatives. Root word REPRESENT.

People hammer them all the time for flip flopping. Saying one thing one day, then doing another. WHY? If their job is to be a sole voice of the whole, what if the whole tends to change their minds? What if the mayor of Anytown, USA represents his people who want a smoking ban. And he says he supports it. Then, over a couple years, over 50% of the citizens in that town change their mind. HIS job is to represent that view of the people.


So, is it possible that a candidate or movement, like the Tea Party, at one point represented MY views? Yes. And is it possible that the movement or it's candidates, over a few years, evolved and it's views and stands became less and less a mirror of mine? Yes.

I've changed a bit. So has the GOP, Tea Party and right wing in general.

My principles are NOT that I'll vote for the Red Team no matter what. YOU should also not allow yourself to just be issued a set of morals by a party, and follow them no matter what. If you find that your party or voting tendency no longer fits what you believe in, vote for what does, or vote in protest against it to send a message.

But being a robot is hardly principled.

That is correct. Tribalism is a powerful force that enforces groupthink and does not allow criticism, at least to outsiders.

That's true of anyone though, not just conservatives and Republicans. Liberals and Democrats do the same thing.
 
no Toro we dont.

you did not see any locked step marching when we had dem majorities and a Dem president.

Go look at what happened to Carter while in office.

please stop lying
 
The phrase "I dont belong to any organized party Im a Democrat"


exsists for a reason
 
Thats pretty close to accurate. Although I wouldn't say I'm "confused" as much as just pissed off a bit, disappointed a lot, and just open to changing my vote now.

And it's true. The far right is still fighting tooth and nail on two issues that are just plain fucking stupid: Keeping weed and gay marriage illegal. Im neither gay, or a weed smoker. But will all the issues we have today, the fact that they'll still fight that hard against those is plain old country dumb. We're bombing too many shithole countries and getting almost nothing in return. And I'm sick of the Tea Party labeling all govt and all govt employees as evil leeches on society, including cops and firemen.
I hear you bud. The only reason I'm still registered republican is because there's a lot of really GOOD conservatives at the local and state level that run republican. And I usually always have a good candidate to choose everytime my shitty ass congressman is up for reelection.

Don't vote dem though. You might identify with dem VOTERS, but you're going to find that you won't match up real well with dem policy makers at the end of the day.

Yeah, we'll see. I know for certain though that the Tea Party has driven me away from the GOP for this 2012 election cycle, and I refuse to just not vote, so I dont have much choice. Maybe 2014 will be better, but I doubt it.

Or maybe the Mayans were right, and this shit will all be over on 12-21-2012!!! I mean...would it be that bad of a thing?:badgrin:

Do what I do...only vote for someone that you actually like. Don't protest vote. If you don't like anyone running for a certain spot, don't vote on that spot. It's pretty likely that there will be SOMEONE in the republican column that you like, it just won't be the "mainstream" one.

research everyone on your ballot. Don't just vote dem and cut off your nose to spite your face.
 
Saw the trend of responses to me this week. Apparantely, the GOP gives a standard issue set of opinions. Issued to every right winger, from which he or she will never falter. Never question. Never EVER publicly denounce. That no matter what happens in politics, if it is being done or suggested by a GOP/Tea Party candidate, one must agree with it or silently shut the fuck up. And God forbid entertain the idea of making these TP candidates EARN my vote....or if not....vote against them.

My principles are fairly simple. Politicians are elected representatives. Root word REPRESENT.

People hammer them all the time for flip flopping. Saying one thing one day, then doing another. WHY? If their job is to be a sole voice of the whole, what if the whole tends to change their minds? What if the mayor of Anytown, USA represents his people who want a smoking ban. And he says he supports it. Then, over a couple years, over 50% of the citizens in that town change their mind. HIS job is to represent that view of the people.


So, is it possible that a candidate or movement, like the Tea Party, at one point represented MY views? Yes. And is it possible that the movement or it's candidates, over a few years, evolved and it's views and stands became less and less a mirror of mine? Yes.

I've changed a bit. So has the GOP, Tea Party and right wing in general.

My principles are NOT that I'll vote for the Red Team no matter what. YOU should also not allow yourself to just be issued a set of morals by a party, and follow them no matter what. If you find that your party or voting tendency no longer fits what you believe in, vote for what does, or vote in protest against it to send a message.

But being a robot is hardly principled.

Buc your problem was you said you were going from Straight Republican ticket to straight Democrat ticket....how many people on either side do that just like that?.....that's telling me you don't give a shit what the Democrat may represent .....and he might be just as bad as those Republicans you don't like.....when i left the Democrats in the middle nineties because assholes like Dean and Chris were taking over....i still voted for the Democrats i felt were still "Democrats"....i voted Clinton over Bush and the old guy Dole.....now 15 years later i cant stand both parties and just about every politician in them.....save yourself the frustration of bitching about the same shit next year that your bitching about now and vote for someone who wont follow the same old tired script....vote 3rd party.....like you said ....being a robot is hardly principled.....and people who blindly follow the Democrats are just as much of a robot as are those who blindly follow the Republicans....and we see them here all the time......

Your problem is the facts.


the democratic party changes to follow the facts.

We do not follow blindly hense the old phrase "I dont belong to any organized party Im a democrat."


FACTS are the friends of democrats.

the republican party has Become ( there was a time when republicans did follow the facts) the party of anti sceince, anti education, anti intellectual, anti history, anti democracy, anti anything but tax cuts.

and your lying piece of shit....so shut the fuck up..... you could not even begin to comprehend facts.....as you have proven time and time again....and YES you do follow the Democrats blindly......hence you are a fucking robot....and i was talking to Buc....not you,someone who i know has something upstairs.....you im not so sure.....
 
Ahhhh the "Your a poopy pants" arguement emerges.

they hate the facts I pummel them with
 
Saw the trend of responses to me this week. Apparantely, the GOP gives a standard issue set of opinions. Issued to every right winger, from which he or she will never falter. Never question. Never EVER publicly denounce. That no matter what happens in politics, if it is being done or suggested by a GOP/Tea Party candidate, one must agree with it or silently shut the fuck up. And God forbid entertain the idea of making these TP candidates EARN my vote....or if not....vote against them.

My principles are fairly simple. Politicians are elected representatives. Root word REPRESENT.

People hammer them all the time for flip flopping. Saying one thing one day, then doing another. WHY? If their job is to be a sole voice of the whole, what if the whole tends to change their minds? What if the mayor of Anytown, USA represents his people who want a smoking ban. And he says he supports it. Then, over a couple years, over 50% of the citizens in that town change their mind. HIS job is to represent that view of the people.


So, is it possible that a candidate or movement, like the Tea Party, at one point represented MY views? Yes. And is it possible that the movement or it's candidates, over a few years, evolved and it's views and stands became less and less a mirror of mine? Yes.

I've changed a bit. So has the GOP, Tea Party and right wing in general.

My principles are NOT that I'll vote for the Red Team no matter what. YOU should also not allow yourself to just be issued a set of morals by a party, and follow them no matter what. If you find that your party or voting tendency no longer fits what you believe in, vote for what does, or vote in protest against it to send a message.

But being a robot is hardly principled.

People need to understand the difference between morals and ethics and people also have to understand the difference between tyranny and liberty...

Just because there is a consensus doesn't mean that consensus is correct - that is why we have a Bill of Rights...

These are ideas the red and blue team generally don't understand - only the yellow team understands those ideas...
 
Voting GOP means that you want to overthrow the current government and replace it with another government.
 
you dont care about freedom or you wouldnt back the republican efforts to keep people from voting
 
you dont care about freedom or you wouldnt back the republican efforts to keep people from voting

You don't care about anything except the partisan interests of liberal Democratics or you wouldn't back the liberal Democrat efforts to support voter fraud.

Why do shit brains like you hate everything about liberty, freedom, and a democratic republic?
 
you dont care about freedom or you wouldnt back the republican efforts to keep people from voting

You don't care about anything except the partisan interests of liberal Democratics or you wouldn't back the liberal Democrat efforts to support voter fraud.

Why do shit brains like you hate everything about liberty, freedom, and a democratic republic?

ahhhh the "your a poopy pants " debate again.


Your party doesnt want everyone to vote so they can win elections
 
:lol:

These pretty much sum up America today. Lots more at first link.

The Strip | By Brian McFadden - Slide Show - NYTimes.com


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"There was a time, not so very long ago, when perfectly rational people ran the Republican Party. So how did the party of Lincoln become the party of lunatics? That is what this book aims to answer. Fear not, the Dems come in for their share of tough talk — they are zombies, a party of the living dead." Mike Lofgren 'The Party Is Over: How Republicans Went Crazy, Democrats Became Useless, and the Middle Class Got Shafted' (see down too) [ame=http://www.amazon.com/Party-Over-Republicans-Democrats-Useless/dp/0670026263/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8]The Party Is Over: How Republicans Went Crazy,Democrats Became Useless,and the Middle Class Got Shafted: Mike Lofgren: 9780670026265: Amazon.com: Books[/ame]
 
you dont care about freedom or you wouldnt back the republican efforts to keep people from voting

You don't care about anything except the partisan interests of liberal Democratics or you wouldn't back the liberal Democrat efforts to support voter fraud.

Why do shit brains like you hate everything about liberty, freedom, and a democratic republic?

ahhhh the "your a poopy pants " debate again.


Your party doesnt want everyone to vote so they can win elections

It would be "you're a poopy pants," you illiterate shit for brain rancid sow.

But no.

What it was, as you are far too stupid to even dimly perceive, is a rebuttal.

Your FALSE contention (since you are just a partisan hack liar who endlessly lies) was that the GOP effort to strengthen (or even obtain) voter I.D. laws amounted to an effort to suppress voting. You repeat that lie endlessly.

My rejoinder, you miserable dishonest partisan hack scum, is that your opposition to voter I.D. laws reveals your interest in getting votes at any cost, even that of fraud and even at the cost of undermining the legitimacy of our electoral system.

Your party wants dead people, imaginary people and aliens to vote, and for legal voters to vote more than once, because you JUST want to win elections and you completely lack any shred of honesty, integrity, morality and decency.
 
you dont care about freedom or you wouldnt back the republican efforts to keep people from voting

You don't care about anything except the partisan interests of liberal Democratics or you wouldn't back the liberal Democrat efforts to support voter fraud.

Why do shit brains like you hate everything about liberty, freedom, and a democratic republic?

ahhhh the "your a poopy pants " debate again.


Your party doesnt want everyone to vote so they can win elections

Why are you okay with illegal aliens and dead people voting?
 
The TderpM political thesis is simple.

One person AT MOST one vote if he/she is a Republican or Libertarian or Conservative :: One person AT LEAST one vote if he/she is a Democratic or Liberal or Socialist or Communist.
 

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