So having "principles" means I can never NOT vote GOP???

[francoHFW]

Saw the trend of responses to me this week. Apparantely, the GOP gives a standard issue set of opinions. Issued to every right winger, from which he or she will never falter. Never question. Never EVER publicly denounce. That no matter what happens in politics, if it is being done or suggested by a GOP/Tea Party candidate, one must agree with it or silently shut the fuck up. And God forbid entertain the idea of making these TP candidates EARN my vote....or if not....vote against them.

My principles are fairly simple. Politicians are elected representatives. Root word REPRESENT.

People hammer them all the time for flip flopping. Saying one thing one day, then doing another. WHY? If their job is to be a sole voice of the whole, what if the whole tends to change their minds? What if the mayor of Anytown, USA represents his people who want a smoking ban. And he says he supports it. Then, over a couple years, over 50% of the citizens in that town change their mind. HIS job is to represent that view of the people.


So, is it possible that a candidate or movement, like the Tea Party, at one point represented MY views? Yes. And is it possible that the movement or it's candidates, over a few years, evolved and it's views and stands became less and less a mirror of mine? Yes.

I've changed a bit. So has the GOP, Tea Party and right wing in general.

My principles are NOT that I'll vote for the Red Team no matter what. YOU should also not allow yourself to just be issued a set of morals by a party, and follow them no matter what. If you find that your party or voting tendency no longer fits what you believe in, vote for what does, or vote in protest against it to send a message.

But being a robot is hardly principled.

Great post! I'm an independent and when I say I'm not voting for Romney and lean Obama this election, a lot of nimnods accuse me of being a liberal. My feelings towards Obama have changed over 4 yrs (I voted McCain/Palin in 2008) and I feel he is the lesser of 2 evils for 2012. The other candidates don't have a chance of being elected so for me, they aren't a consideration. I have voted dem and republican for president over the many years I've been voting. Things change as you say and I don't want to be stuck within a party and feel I have to vote for the party candidate or else!

What effective policy has obama created that helped the economy? The recession ended in 2009 and things have yet to improve, so why would you support something that hasn't worked.

What Obama policy of ANY KIND have Pubs allowed to pass or compromised on since they got the filibuster in 2/2010? "No compromise, un-American Tea Party GOP" (TIME)...Total obstruction of PUB style health reform, jobs bills,budget cuts- anything he suggests...

Romneycare has proved O-care is a HUGE cost saver that will save Medicare/aid and make our economy competitive.- NOT reported on Fox etc etc etc.

I know, let's cut taxes on the bloated rich, destroy Medicare and health reform, raise taxes and fees on the nonrich, let corporate cheats run wild, cut aid to states and localities, raise military spending to more than the rest of the world combined, and worry about the debt in 2035. Idiocy.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Great post! I'm an independent and when I say I'm not voting for Romney and lean Obama this election, a lot of nimnods accuse me of being a liberal. My feelings towards Obama have changed over 4 yrs (I voted McCain/Palin in 2008) and I feel he is the lesser of 2 evils for 2012. The other candidates don't have a chance of being elected so for me, they aren't a consideration. I have voted dem and republican for president over the many years I've been voting. Things change as you say and I don't want to be stuck within a party and feel I have to vote for the party candidate or else!

you say voting for a 3rd party is not a consideration......i think you have just said you are STUCK within one of two parties.....Independent?......the jury is still out.....

 

[Charles_Main]

So having "principles" means I can never NOT vote GOP???

Of Course not, Having Principles means you vote for the Guy that most Stands for your Principles Regardless of Party.

 

[Peach]

Saw the trend of responses to me this week. Apparantely, the GOP gives a standard issue set of opinions. Issued to every right winger, from which he or she will never falter. Never question. Never EVER publicly denounce. That no matter what happens in politics, if it is being done or suggested by a GOP/Tea Party candidate, one must agree with it or silently shut the fuck up. And God forbid entertain the idea of making these TP candidates EARN my vote....or if not....vote against them.

My principles are fairly simple. Politicians are elected representatives. Root word REPRESENT.

People hammer them all the time for flip flopping. Saying one thing one day, then doing another. WHY? If their job is to be a sole voice of the whole, what if the whole tends to change their minds? What if the mayor of Anytown, USA represents his people who want a smoking ban. And he says he supports it. Then, over a couple years, over 50% of the citizens in that town change their mind. HIS job is to represent that view of the people.


So, is it possible that a candidate or movement, like the Tea Party, at one point represented MY views? Yes. And is it possible that the movement or it's candidates, over a few years, evolved and it's views and stands became less and less a mirror of mine? Yes.

I've changed a bit. So has the GOP, Tea Party and right wing in general.

My principles are NOT that I'll vote for the Red Team no matter what. YOU should also not allow yourself to just be issued a set of morals by a party, and follow them no matter what. If you find that your party or voting tendency no longer fits what you believe in, vote for what does, or vote in protest against it to send a message.

But being a robot is hardly principled.

NO, it does not , voting for Paul Ryan* however, means you have the same amount he does-ZIP.

*If Romney can control HIM, Romney can handle the Presidency; it will be interesting to watch, the next two & 1/2 months.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Great post! I'm an independent and when I say I'm not voting for Romney and lean Obama this election, a lot of nimnods accuse me of being a liberal. My feelings towards Obama have changed over 4 yrs (I voted McCain/Palin in 2008) and I feel he is the lesser of 2 evils for 2012. The other candidates don't have a chance of being elected so for me, they aren't a consideration. I have voted dem and republican for president over the many years I've been voting. Things change as you say and I don't want to be stuck within a party and feel I have to vote for the party candidate or else!

What effective policy has obama created that helped the economy? The recession ended in 2009 and things have yet to improve, so why would you support something that hasn't worked.

What Obama policy of ANY KIND have Pubs allowed to pass or compromised on since they got the filibuster in 2/2010? "No compromise, un-American Tea Party GOP" (TIME)...Total obstruction of PUB style health reform, jobs bills,budget cuts- anything he suggests...

Romneycare has proved O-care is a HUGE cost saver that will save Medicare/aid and make our economy competitive.- NOT reported on Fox etc etc etc.

I know, let's cut taxes on the bloated rich, destroy Medicare and health reform, raise taxes and fees on the nonrich, let corporate cheats run wild, cut aid to states and localities, raise military spending to more than the rest of the world combined, and worry about the debt in 2035. Idiocy.

Francis on the kool aid

 

[francoHFW]

Any actual argument, Pubtroll? (the only kind...)

Any problem with the Romney plan?:

I know, let's cut taxes on the bloated rich, destroy Medicare and health reform, raise taxes and fees on the nonrich, let corporate cheats run wild, cut aid to states and localities, raise military spending to more than the rest of the world combined, and worry about the debt in 2035.

 

[Charles_Main]

Any actual argument, Pubtroll? (the only kind...)

Any problem with the Romney plan?:

I know, let's cut taxes on the bloated rich, destroy Medicare and health reform, raise taxes and fees on the nonrich, let corporate cheats run wild, cut aid to states and localities, raise military spending to more than the rest of the world combined, and worry about the debt in 2035.

Poster child for Liberal talking point Repeating Lemmings everywhere.

 

[Oddball]

Inthemiddle, you're exactly right. People have become so partisan and obsessed with red/blue, that the thought of a person deciding to change their vote shocks their core.

Then why are you buying into the lie that the only option to voting "red" is voting "blue"?

You've met the obsessed one, Bubba, and he is you.

 

[Paulie]

Saw the trend of responses to me this week. Apparantely, the GOP gives a standard issue set of opinions. Issued to every right winger, from which he or she will never falter. Never question. Never EVER publicly denounce. That no matter what happens in politics, if it is being done or suggested by a GOP/Tea Party candidate, one must agree with it or silently shut the fuck up. And God forbid entertain the idea of making these TP candidates EARN my vote....or if not....vote against them.

My principles are fairly simple. Politicians are elected representatives. Root word REPRESENT.

People hammer them all the time for flip flopping. Saying one thing one day, then doing another. WHY? If their job is to be a sole voice of the whole, what if the whole tends to change their minds? What if the mayor of Anytown, USA represents his people who want a smoking ban. And he says he supports it. Then, over a couple years, over 50% of the citizens in that town change their mind. HIS job is to represent that view of the people.


So, is it possible that a candidate or movement, like the Tea Party, at one point represented MY views? Yes. And is it possible that the movement or it's candidates, over a few years, evolved and it's views and stands became less and less a mirror of mine? Yes.

I've changed a bit. So has the GOP, Tea Party and right wing in general.

My principles are NOT that I'll vote for the Red Team no matter what. YOU should also not allow yourself to just be issued a set of morals by a party, and follow them no matter what. If you find that your party or voting tendency no longer fits what you believe in, vote for what does, or vote in protest against it to send a message.

But being a robot is hardly principled.

I don't see it that way. Every person has their own opinions and convictions. That representative was elected based on THEIR opinions being most equal to the voting bloc. His opinions shouldn't be expected to change, because we want to know what we're getting out of him in office at all times. When the opinion of the populace changes, they elect a new representative.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Bucs Starkey still desperate to establish his creds? LOL

Since Hillary told Barry to stick his VP offer up his hoodlum ass, I'm happy with you flipping to a fulltime Obamaroid

Have fun, dickwad

 

[Paulie]

Saw the trend of responses to me this week. Apparantely, the GOP gives a standard issue set of opinions. Issued to every right winger, from which he or she will never falter. Never question. Never EVER publicly denounce. That no matter what happens in politics, if it is being done or suggested by a GOP/Tea Party candidate, one must agree with it or silently shut the fuck up. And God forbid entertain the idea of making these TP candidates EARN my vote....or if not....vote against them.

My principles are fairly simple. Politicians are elected representatives. Root word REPRESENT.

People hammer them all the time for flip flopping. Saying one thing one day, then doing another. WHY? If their job is to be a sole voice of the whole, what if the whole tends to change their minds? What if the mayor of Anytown, USA represents his people who want a smoking ban. And he says he supports it. Then, over a couple years, over 50% of the citizens in that town change their mind. HIS job is to represent that view of the people.


So, is it possible that a candidate or movement, like the Tea Party, at one point represented MY views? Yes. And is it possible that the movement or it's candidates, over a few years, evolved and it's views and stands became less and less a mirror of mine? Yes.

I've changed a bit. So has the GOP, Tea Party and right wing in general.

My principles are NOT that I'll vote for the Red Team no matter what. YOU should also not allow yourself to just be issued a set of morals by a party, and follow them no matter what. If you find that your party or voting tendency no longer fits what you believe in, vote for what does, or vote in protest against it to send a message.

But being a robot is hardly principled.

No, but if your principles are liberty, free minds and free markets, then abandoning the GOP to go vote for the party that is the near antithesis of those values is beyond ludicrous.

I tossed the GOP overboard in 1995, but there was no way in hell I was going to empower dick nosed tyrants like Bubba Clintoon, Dick Gephart and Tom Daschle as any sort of principled move.

You, my friend, have fallen for the false dichotomy sophistry is the Heglian dialectic.

Dialectic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hope you enjoy your chains.

Well, depends on who you ask regarding what is "freedom".

I disagree with abortion, but should we be free to do it? Many on the right dont think so.

I 100% believe in the freedom to smoke weed, although I've never used it. It's less harmful than booze and tobacco. Many on the right want to keep it illegal, many on the left want it legal.

I also believe in allowing gay marriage. The right obviously does not.


The left has advocated gun control, which I dont like. BUT, they are not acting on it. At least openly.

You sound like you fit the best with libertarians, so why not just join in and help further the cause? It's catching on

 

[skookerasbil]

Im laughing...................

This Bucs guy is referencing a thread about "principles"............meanwhile, just 6 months ago, he ws posting up as a staunch conservative and now he's a far left guy!!!

 

[Paulie]

That's a thought bubble not a speech bubble you fucking moron.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It's still fucking hilarious!

 

[skookerasbil]

Im laughing...................

This Bucs guy is referencing a thread about "principles"............meanwhile, just 6 months ago, he ws posting up as a staunch conservative and now he's a far left guy!!!

 

[skookerasbil]

That's a thought bubble not a speech bubble you fucking moron.

 

[Paulie]

It's still fucking hilarious!

You're one of the few around here that makes me laugh for real, and you find that hilarious? lol come on bro.

The worst part of this whole thing is that people are calling this guy a far lefty just because he's got issues with the far right lately.

It's this absolute shit that really kills a good discussion.

At worst, the guy went from being a hardcore con to a skeptical libertarian.

Hardly a shift from one extreme to the other.

 

[skookerasbil]

That's a thought bubble not a speech bubble you fucking moron.

Then I better go back and change it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[skookerasbil]

nobody goes from being a conservative to a far left guy without having some kind of acute mental event.

 

[Paulie]

Jesus christ you're like the fucking Mr Shaman of the right around here