Should Occupy have to pay??

[grunt11b]

Go look it up.... its public record dummy!

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all over the interent LOL

this is proof of nothing

So, again, the truth just doesn't matter to you?

 

[Seawytch]

How many BILLIONS did the banks malfeasance, that the OWS movement is protesting, cost cities I wonder...

 

[NYcarbineer]

Did the Tea Party pay for the tea they dumped in the Harbor?

 

[Londoner]

Don't people get it?

The Tea Party - though it has very real grievances and many genuine members - has been completely captured by the Big Business/Washington nexus. They are now defenders of Wall Street's political power against the masses - who have assembled to protest Wall Street's disproportionate influence over politics, markets, and national wealth (which has been poured down a black hole by the reckless speculators who captured government).

In a fit of Orwellian Irony, the Tea Party is now trying to repeal the free speech of protesters. They are defending the status quo. They are insulating power form Democratic redress. They are being manipulated by the powerful elite to destroy the Constitution. They are protecting people whose criminal risk management destroyed the economy.

Though obviously not a direct analogy, the Tea Party is very much like the völkisch movement in 1930s Germany when a small group of radical leaders used "Borders, Language, Culture" populism to win the support of the masses.

Today, the small group of radicals is represented by the marriage of Big Money & Big Government ... aka . . . Wall Street, which is compromised of too-big-to fail financial firms which take criminal risks at the public's expense ("bailout insurance").

Large Wall Street financial firms & banks own both parties. They staff government. They are the real center of power. They control Government and the economy. (Does the Tea Party know how much money they pour into Washington?) Clarence Thomas' wife is a Tea Party Leader - meaning: the Tea Party has power at the very highest levels of government. It doesn't protest power: it is power.

Worse: Wall Street - through contributions to movement conservatism > "Freedom Works" - channels money to the Tea Party. The Tea Party is - on some levels - a Wall Street populist invention, used to fool the masses about the real source of power in this country.

Like the völkisch movement, the Tea Party has been fooled into thinking that they are defending the Real America. Tragically, they are defending a radical group of people who have destroyed it.

The Tea Party is now protecting the Washington/Wall Street (Big Money/Big Government) nexus from dissent. Goodbye Constitution. God help us if their rabid populism takes a sharp turn into scapegoating. The historical precedent is not good.

God help us.

 

[asaratis]

but y'all seem to be fugittin' the difernce 'tween conservatives and liberals.

Conservatives (such as would be in the Tea Party Movement) have no problem with the idea of working for income and paying for what they use. They are simply asking for a reduction in the size of government, a subsequent reduction in the amount of tax revenues spent on government and government programs. They are peaceful, responsible, mature demonstrators with clearly defined, sensible objections to what is happening in Washington....and willing to clean up after themselves.

Liberals (such as would be in the Occupy and Destroy Movement) think they should be paid for not working and should receive whatever they want for free. In other words, let somebody else pay for cleaning up this shit! They are irresponsible, immature, mindless demonstrators with undefined, senseless objections to the fact that a living wage is not handed to them on a silver platter....and oblivious to the fact that they have trashed the parks and the surrounding areas with their childish shenanigans and filthy style.

 

[Oddball]

How many BILLIONS did the banks malfeasance, that the OWS movement is protesting, cost cities I wonder...

Trying to shift the blame and change the subject won't work.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

I think they should have to pay. As should the tea party....and they didn't always pay.

But I have to laugh at these idiots posting on this thread that are always whining about permitting fees and such as being taxes designed as a way for the government to control the population. Now it's different. Somehow.

You know who you are.

The only difference is the unequal application of the law between the Tea party events and the OWS events.

For example Tea party says cities favor Occupy protesters - Boston.com

Did you mean to post this?

As Michele Bachmann riled a group of feisty Tea Partiers to rail against taxes and government spending, taxpayers were quietly forced to pick up a $13,600 tab for their festivities.

New expense reports from last November’s Tea Party gathering in Washington, D.C. reveal that the rally comprising thousands of protesters was funded by official congressional money, according to the the Minneapolis Star Tribune.

Ouch: Tea Party rally cost taxpayers almost $14,000 | The Raw Story

WASHINGTON - Rep. Michele Bachmann solidified her place in the national spotlight in November when she gathered thousands of Tea Party activists in front of the U.S. Capitol for a "House Call on Washington," to stop the Democrats' health care bill.

Months later, official expense reports show that the boisterous, 10,000-person rally to rein in big government and stop runaway spending cost U.S. taxpayers nearly $14,000.

Bachmann and three other lawmakers split the cost for a private company to arrange staging and a sound system, using their official congressional member allowances. Joining her were Reps. Tom Price of Georgia, Todd Akin of Missouri and Steve King of Iowa.

Spending tax dollars on partisan events is practiced on both sides of the aisle. Democrats spent more than $9,000 in public money the week before the "House Call" rally to unveil the health care bill at an event outside the Capitol building attended by several hundred.

Seems like you are ignoring some stuff in your response to me.

Either way, like I said, my official position is no one should have to pay fees/permiting for peaceful assemblies on public property. However, if you are going to charge one group to do it you must charge all....and that is the issue the unequal treatment under the law of the rallies like the teaparties and rallies like the OWS protests.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Don't people get it?

The Tea Party - though it has very real grievances and many genuine members - has been completely captured by the Big Business/Washington nexus. They are now agents of Wall Street's political power against the disenfranchised masses.

That is to say, the Tea Party is now trying to repeal the free speech of protesters. They are defending the status quo. They are insulating power form Democratic redress. They are being manipulated by the powerful elite to destroy the Constitution. They are protecting people whose criminal risk management destroyed the economy.

Though obviously not a direct analogy, the Tea Party is very much like the völkisch movement in 1930s Germany when a small group of radical leaders used "Borders, Language, Culture" populism to win the support of the masses.

Today, the small group of radicals is represented by the marriage of Big Money & Big Government, e.g., Wall Street, which is compromised of too-big-to fail financial firms which take criminal risks at the public's expense ("bailout insurance").

Large Wall Street financial firms & banks own both parties. They staff government. They are the real center of power. They control Government and the economy. (Does the Tea Party know how much money they pour into Washington?)

Worse: Wall Street - through contributions to movement conservatism > "Freedom Works" - channels money to the Tea Party. The Tea Party can - on some levels - be seen as a populist weapon of Wall Street, used to fool the masses into misidentifying the real source of power in this country.

Like the völkisch movement, the Tea Party has been fooled into thinking that they are defending the Real America. Tragically, they are defending a radical group of people who have destroyed it.

The Tea Party is now defending the Washington/Wall Street nexus from dissent. Goodbye Constitution. God help us if their rapid populism takes a sharp turn into scapegoating. The historical precedent is not good.

God help us.

Ironically, the Tea Party, which once dared to claim the American revolutionaries as their inspiration,

have now become the Tories...

...loyal to the Crown.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

The only difference is the unequal application of the law between the Tea party events and the OWS events.

For example Tea party says cities favor Occupy protesters - Boston.com

Did you mean to post this?

As Michele Bachmann riled a group of feisty Tea Partiers to rail against taxes and government spending, taxpayers were quietly forced to pick up a $13,600 tab for their festivities.

New expense reports from last November’s Tea Party gathering in Washington, D.C. reveal that the rally comprising thousands of protesters was funded by official congressional money, according to the the Minneapolis Star Tribune.

Ouch: Tea Party rally cost taxpayers almost $14,000 | The Raw Story

I agree that blows no tax payer money should be going to these heavily partisan events. That's seriously bull crap. Tea party and OWS alike need to pay for these protests themselves.

I have no problem with your position because, unlike the govt in dealing with OWS and dealing with Tea parties, you are being fair and equitable to all groups.

 

[rhodescholar]

Occupy Wall Street Protesters Clean Zuccotti Park In Preparation For Evacuation

Asshole, the level of "clean-up" they did was no where near what is necessary.

Second, the cost in police overtime is now about $3-4 million - why the flying fuck should I have to pay for it? Most of the rabble uninvited scum at OWS pays no income taxes - and being from other parts of the country do not pay NYC income tax.

Third, other groups have to apply for permits in NYC - are these animals "special"? Only trolling morons like you think so.

 

[Jarhead]

but y'all seem to be fugittin' the difernce 'tween conservatives and liberals.

Conservatives (such as would be in the Tea Party Movement) have no problem with the idea of working for income and paying for what they use. They are simply asking for a reduction in the size of government, a subsequent reduction in the amount of tax revenues spent on government and government programs. They are peaceful, responsible, mature demonstrators with clearly defined, sensible objections to what is happening in Washington....and willing to clean up after themselves.

Liberals (such as would be in the Occupy and Destroy Movement) think they should be paid for not working and should receive whatever they want for free. In other words, let somebody else pay for cleaning up this shit! They are irresponsible, immature, mindless demonstrators with undefined, senseless objections to the fact that a living wage is not handed to them on a silver platter....and oblivious to the fact that they have trashed the parks and the surrounding areas with their childish shenanigans and filthy style.

I do not agree with the OWS mantra...and I do not appreciate their style of getting their word out.

But you just described (in bold) exactly what they are.

Your typical late teens early twenties type of people...of ALL ideologies.

 

[Lovebears65]

Pay to protest in a democracy?


The right has NO commitment to the spirit the founders built this country on.

In Richmond Va the tea party had to pay 10K for permits , porta potties and other things, The OWS are protesting in the same exact location and they did not have to pay for anything. If they dont pay then the city needs to give the Tea party their money back

is that true?

Richmond Tea Party wants refund after seeing Occupy Richmond protesters camp out for free - OrlandoSentinel.com

 

[Seawytch]

How many BILLIONS did the banks malfeasance, that the OWS movement is protesting, cost cities I wonder...

Trying to shift the blame and change the subject won't work.

Shifting? Nope...the blame has always been on Wall Street and greedy big banks. How many billions?

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Did the Tea Party pay for the tea they dumped in the Harbor?

That wasn't american tea

 

[NYcarbineer]

The modern day Tea Party would defend the East India Company...

...as a 'job creator'.

 

[grunt11b]

Occupy Wall Street Protesters Clean Zuccotti Park In Preparation For Evacuation

I wonder if that same article is anywhere else other than the huffington post?

 

[rhodescholar]

NYPD Union Threatens to Sue Occupy Wall Street Protesters
October 27, 2011 6:12pm | By Julie Shapiro, DNAinfo Reporter/Producer
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NYPD Union Threatens to Sue Occupy Wall Street Protesters - DNAinfo.com

NYPD sergeants threaten to sue Wall Street protesters - NYPOST.com

MANHATTAN — Occupy Wall Street protesters who scuffle with the NYPD might get hit back — with a lawsuit.


EXCLUSIVE

"Deeply concerned" police sergeants are coming out swinging today against obnoxious Wall Street protesters, saying they plan to "pursue legal action" against demonstrators who injure any of its members.

Ed Mullins, president of the NYPD's Sergeant’s Benevolent Association, said his group plans to pursue legal claims against Occupy Wall Street protesters should they cause injury to any of its 5,000 members.

“In light of the growing violence attendant to the 'Occupy' movements across the country, particularly as evidenced by the recent events in Oakland, I am compelled to place these so-called 'occupiers' on notice that physical assaults on police officers will not be tolerated," he said.

Read more: NYPD sergeants threaten to sue Wall Street protesters - NYPOST.com

Life's a trip, esse...for me to have lived long enough to actually agree with something the police union is doing, shyte it's hard to believe...

 

[grunt11b]

this is proof of nothing

Well it proves the tea party was made to gather to be there while the OWS people weren't made to pay to gather there.

Which also proves, like you asked for, that they paid

the tea party paid for permits.

Americans should not have to pay for a permitt to protest their government.


Do you think the founders would approve of paying money to protest?

I think the real question here is, why would the tea party be made to pay, but not OWS? ANd how is this fair?

 

[Jarhead]

How many BILLIONS did the banks malfeasance, that the OWS movement is protesting, cost cities I wonder...

Trying to shift the blame and change the subject won't work.

Shifting? Nope...the blame has always been on Wall Street and greedy big banks. How many billions?

Did they break any laws?

If not, how can you blame anyone for maximizing their revenue?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Did the Tea Party pay for the tea they dumped in the Harbor?

That wasn't american tea

The tea party vandals weren't Americans. They were British.