shooting pollution particles into the upper atmosphere .....

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  1. Coloradomtnman
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    Coloradomtnman Rational and proud of it.

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    Sure, I didn't provide proof that many polluters scoot around regulations (though the Climax mine outside of Leadville, Colorado has maintained a skeleton crew to stay open despite mining operations being dicontinued in the late '80s because maintaining a skeleton crew is cheaper than the clean up required by regulations set by the EPA - which just is a political tool more than an effective organization anyway), but you can't deny the logic of my statement about potentialities of not acting to stop or slow global warming.

    Either way, you and I are no experts in the fields of climatology, glaciology, biology, or probably any other -ology. I'd rather, in this matter with so very much at stake, play it safe and live on a cleaner planet, then live as though climate change isn't happening and then decades from now find out that I was wrong. What kind of legacy would that leave about us for our descendents? What kind of world would we be leaving them?

    And just ask yourself: what possible motives do scientists have to claim that global warming is happening? Wealth? Fame? Really, because most of them are professors or research scientists, and even when they write a book about their research they don't make much money nor do they become very famous. Can you name a scientist that would fit that example, cause I can name thousands that don't.

    And what possible motives do oil companies, Saudi and other Arab businessmen, Republican and corrupt politicians, among many others whose livelihoods and wealth are connected with the fossil fuel industry have to deny it? Stay wealthy. Stay in business. From my perspective their interests are enough to rationalize the possible permanent harm they are doing to our planet and each of us and our descendents. It wouldn't be the first time that an industry has denied any part or responsibility in the harm its caused just so it can continue to generate wealth.
     
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    The Willamette River is far cleaner now than it was in the '60s. The Ozone Hole is beginning to contract. Rivers don't catch fire in Chicago anymore. And you are fast approaching the credibility lever of Elvis.
     
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    Every bit as brilliant as continueing to add to the GHGs in the atmosphere.
     
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    old rock is a scurrilous lying crock of shit (this is not a flame, its old rocks words with old rocks name placed in front)

    old crock knowingly posted false information in environment under climate change

    how can I address old crocks post here, I will have to spend hours looking for the answer like before and than I find out old rock willingly and knowingly posted a false report, not only did old man post the false report but old man had a rebutal ready in case he got found out

    this kind of stuff makes me sick, further look at the vile old man says about others, and than we are suppose to take his word and if we dont we get old crokes vile mouth


    http://www.usmessageboard.com/environment/73527-climate-change-the-simple-argument.html


    old rock is a scurrilous lying crock of shit (this is not a flame, its old rocks words with old rocks name placed in front)
     
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    Not so fast there, Bucko... Under Bush, a President who is still attacked by the Obama campaign about a half year after the campaign should have ended, we unleashed the ethanol fiasco. This, with only a single move, raised the cost of food world wide, reduced the gas mileage of all vehicles that use it, drained money from the Treasury for gas that was being sent to Venezuela to Europe and increased agricultural subsidies to those who were making more money on the newly inflated costs per bushel on goods that ended up in everything from Pepsi to disposable cutlery.

    Right wingers can be and are just as stupid, short sighted, ill informed and knee jerk reactionary as left wingers. You simply can't underestimate the lack of intelligence needed to hold power in either party.
     
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    And just ask yourself: what possible motives do scientists have to claim that global warming is happening? Wealth? Fame? Really, because most of them are professors or research scientists, and even when they write a book about their research they don't make much money nor do they become very famous. Can you name a scientist that would fit that example, cause I can name thousands that don't.

    And what possible motives do oil companies, Saudi and other Arab businessmen, Republican and corrupt politicians, among many others whose livelihoods and wealth are connected with the fossil fuel industry have to deny it? Stay wealthy. Stay in business. From my perspective their interests are enough to rationalize the possible permanent harm they are doing to our planet and each of us and our descendents. It wouldn't be the first time that an industry has denied any part or responsibility in the harm its caused just so it can continue to generate wealth.[/QUOTE]

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    A scientist who has profited from Anthropogenic Global warming Hysteria? James Hansen. What other scientist will profit from a panic over Global Warming? Any scientist in any field that can concievably tie his particular area of research to the hot topic of the day, which is today, AGW.

    Do Oil Companies need to fight against the propaganda of Global Warming? No. They sell oil which is used in everything we use on a daily basis and they sell fossil fuels which take us everywhere we go, grow everything we eat, transport everything we buy and provide us with heat, light and energy in our homes and businesses.

    Without Fossil Fuels, our civilization is ended. Big oil companies don't need to convince us to use it. Their only problem is figuring out how to get more of it to satisfy the demand.
     
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    I think that river was in Cleveland. Your point, though, is well taken. America's environment is more clean today than it has been probably since the start of the 20th Century. To hear the cries of the Environmentalists, though, you'd think that we are continually going downhill despite the efforts expended in the past.

    At some point, rational people who don't study the issue much must ask the question posed above. If we've done all of this to combat the problem and the problem persists, are we doing effective things? The rhetoric of the enviro crowd should reflect the progress as well as the possible upcoming problems to avoid this kind of response.

    Too many of them are simply crying "wolf!" because it is stylish to do so.
     
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    My, my, having a regular little hissy, are we? Can't stand to end up on the losing end of an arguement, and much too lazy to do real research. :razz:
     

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