Sanders supporters threaten to boycott vote

[HenryBHough]

There won't be any "Bernie voters" in November, 2020 because Nutty Old Uncle Bernie will be safely be back in the attic somewhere in darkest Vermont. He might come out to vote for Hillary but, if he goes by daylight and sees his shadow..........

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Could be ...

“When I look at some of these other candidates out there, I can see them just sucking any enthusiasm from any undecided voters. So anyone who might have been for Bernie won’t vote for Biden, or any of the others out there,” Jackelen the Washington Examiner after a Sanders town hall in Newton.


“I think that people will sit at home because they see establishment Democrats that don’t really care. The only thing that they bring to the table is that they’re not Trump. That is not going to drive enough people out that will get a win over Trump,” he said.

'People will sit at home': Sanders supporters threaten to boycott vote if Democrats pick a centrist

An opinion piece from an extreme right wing fake n

Bill Clinton rates this post "ironic".

Bill Clinton was an ultraliberal progressive.

Actually, the last non-lib that the D's nominated was John F Kennedy

How long have you been in this country? Three days?

Oh and thanks for the setup.

​

Unlike the usual wags who think they make points here, that there Googly Image is a real quote. It's linked.

By modern standards, JFK would be a tea bagging, ultraconservative ditto head.

Remember that he actually reduced taxation, definitely not the marxist that he is considered to be today.

Jack and Bobby both were rabid anti-Communists. They would not be with our modern-day Democrats.

Jack and Bobby would be just fine with today’s Democrats, even though most of today’s Democratic are much further to the right of Bobby or Jack Kennedy.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Could be ...

“When I look at some of these other candidates out there, I can see them just sucking any enthusiasm from any undecided voters. So anyone who might have been for Bernie won’t vote for Biden, or any of the others out there,” Jackelen the Washington Examiner after a Sanders town hall in Newton.


“I think that people will sit at home because they see establishment Democrats that don’t really care. The only thing that they bring to the table is that they’re not Trump. That is not going to drive enough people out that will get a win over Trump,” he said.

'People will sit at home': Sanders supporters threaten to boycott vote if Democrats pick a centrist

An opinion piece from an extreme right wing fake n

Bill Clinton was an ultraliberal progressive.

Actually, the last non-lib that the D's nominated was John F Kennedy

How long have you been in this country? Three days?

Oh and thanks for the setup.

​

Unlike the usual wags who think they make points here, that there Googly Image is a real quote. It's linked.

By modern standards, JFK would be a tea bagging, ultraconservative ditto head.

Remember that he actually reduced taxation, definitely not the marxist that he is considered to be today.

Jack and Bobby both were rabid anti-Communists. They would not be with our modern-day Democrats.

Jack and Bobby would be just fine with today’s Democrats, even though most of today’s Democratic are much further to the right of Bobby or Jack Kennedy.

Surely you are kidding...

She's not. Those people are like that.

 

[Osiris-ODS]

The D party has picked centrists before. They always lose when they do.

Bill Clinton rates this post "ironic".

Bill Clinton was an ultraliberal progressive.

Actually, the last non-lib that the D's nominated was John F Kennedy

How long have you been in this country? Three days?

Oh and thanks for the setup.

​

Unlike the usual wags who think they make points here, that there Googly Image is a real quote. It's linked.

Ok, since we're using Kennedy quotes for this discussion, here's a Kennedy quote for you:

“Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.”
​

How does that square up with the present day progressive liberal (Marxist) "free stuff and free income for everyone" agenda?

I wooden know. Nobody brought up any "progressive liberal (Marxist) "free stuff and free income for everyone" agenda. And they prolly didn't do that because there's no such thing. You know, like the way nobody brought up edible tires.

The quote is genuine -- even though it's a Googly Image. Start there and try again.

Innnteresting. Let's look at a few examples as a counterpoint, shall we? See, e.g. (1) The Green New Deal; (2) Universal Basic Income, and (3) Healthcare for Illegal Immigrants

Green New Deal (note: I realize AOC tried to walk back from this once the media picked it up ran with it, but that's total BS--it's undisputed that the GND proposal is outlined precisely as set forth here...see GND FAQ link below)

"Any large-scale transformation of society can create the risk of some people slipping through the cracks. That’s why the Green New Deal also calls for an upgrade to the basic economic securities enjoyed by all people in the US to ensure everybody benefits from the newly created wealth. It guarantees to everyone:
...
Economic security to all who are unable or unwilling to work"​

Green New Deal FAQ

The Green New Deal that Democrats proposed Thursday looks to create a more environmentally sound country with economic benefits for everyone — even those who don’t want to work.
...
But for those not interested in working, there’s something in the plan as well. The overview notes that the Green New Deal aims to provide “economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work.”​

Ocasio-Cortez's Green New Deal offers 'economic security' for those 'unwilling to work'

Is there a case for supporting those who at a particular moment are neither “working” nor “unable to work”? Is there an insight there worth salvaging? ...

Of the many ambitious policy ideas emerging at the moment, Universal Basic Income is the one that most explicitly discards the idea that work is the essential qualifier for public support. While many UBI supporters think it’s an appropriate response to a future in which there may be fewer jobs (because of the robots and all that), the idea has value regardless of one’s prediction about the future of work. Income from a UBI can form the basis of savings, but that won’t happen without accounts or incentives to set aside some income.​

The case for helping the "unwilling to work"

Universal Basic Income

Yang’s campaign has become a surprise success based largely on one idea: giving Americans a $1,000 per month universal basic income payment.

Yang’s platform helped get America talking about universal income again, but his plan is expensive.

According to one estimate, Yang’s universal basic income would cost $2.8 trillion a year — an estimated 236 million adult citizens in the United States multiplied by a $12,000 yearly payment. (With Yang’s plan welfare and social program beneficiaries could choose to keep their benefits in lieu of receiving the cash payment, so number of adults receiving it could vary.)

To pay for the plan, dubbed the “freedom dividend,” Yang has proposed things like a 10 percent value-added tax (VAT) on the production of goods or services (the majority of countries already have a VAT), a higher capital gains tax and removing the Social Security tax cap.​

This free cash plan would pay you $1,320 per month and wouldn't cost the government a cent

Free Health Insurance, Including to Illegal Immigrants

Many of the Democratic candidates for president have endorsed providing health insurance to illegal immigrants. This analysis estimates the cost of providing illegal immigrants access to the existing system of government health benefits for low-income people. ... We estimate that there are 4.9 million uninsured illegal immigrants with incomes low enough to qualify for Medicaid or Advanced Premium Tax Credits (APTC), which are the subsidies provided by the Affordable Care Act (ACA). Assuming a realistic enrollment rate, the cost of providing ACA subsidies to illegal immigrants would be about $10 billion per year, with costs rising to as much as $23 billion per year if all eligible illegal immigrants enrolled. Costs would be similar under a hybrid approach that provides Medicaid for the lowest-income illegal immigrants and ACA subsidies for those with higher incomes​

How Much Would It Cost to Provide Health Insurance to Illegal Immigrants?

Democrats running for president have said they would support extending government health care coverage to undocumented immigrants -- a big shift, since undocumented immigrants currently have little access to federal programs.

They don't qualify for Medicare, aren't eligible for federal Affordable Care Act subsidies and generally can't enroll in Medicaid, which provides coverage for low-income people.

... Some 59% of Americans say that such coverage should not be available to undocumented immigrants, according to a CNN poll conducted in late June.​

Democrats want to offer health care to undocumented immigrants. Here's what that means - CNNPolitics

 

[Pogo]

The D party has picked centrists before. They always lose when they do.

Bill Clinton rates this post "ironic".

Bill Clinton was an ultraliberal progressive.

Actually, the last non-lib that the D's nominated was John F Kennedy

How long have you been in this country? Three days?

Oh and thanks for the setup.

​

Unlike the usual wags who think they make points here, that there Googly Image is a real quote. It's linked.

Ok, since we're using Kennedy quotes for this discussion, here's a Kennedy quote for you:

“Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.”
​

How does that square up with the present day progressive liberal (Marxist) "free stuff and free income for everyone" agenda?

I wooden know. Nobody brought up any "progressive liberal (Marxist) "free stuff and free income for everyone" agenda. And they prolly didn't do that because there's no such thing. You know, like the way nobody brought up edible tires.

The quote is genuine -- even though it's a Googly Image. Start there and try again.

Innnteresting. Let's look at a few examples as a counterpoint, shall we? See, e.g. (1) The Green New Deal; (2) Universal Basic Income, and (3) Healthcare for Illegal Immigrants

Green New Deal (note: I realize AOC tried to walk back from this once the media picked it up ran with it, but that's total BS--it's undisputed that the GND proposal is outlined precisely as set forth here...see GND FAQ link below)

"Any large-scale transformation of society can create the risk of some people slipping through the cracks. That’s why the Green New Deal also calls for an upgrade to the basic economic securities enjoyed by all people in the US to ensure everybody benefits from the newly created wealth. It guarantees to everyone:
...
Economic security to all who are unable or unwilling to work"​

Green New Deal FAQ

The Green New Deal that Democrats proposed Thursday looks to create a more environmentally sound country with economic benefits for everyone — even those who don’t want to work.
...
But for those not interested in working, there’s something in the plan as well. The overview notes that the Green New Deal aims to provide “economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work.”​

Ocasio-Cortez's Green New Deal offers 'economic security' for those 'unwilling to work'

Is there a case for supporting those who at a particular moment are neither “working” nor “unable to work”? Is there an insight there worth salvaging? ...

Of the many ambitious policy ideas emerging at the moment, Universal Basic Income is the one that most explicitly discards the idea that work is the essential qualifier for public support. While many UBI supporters think it’s an appropriate response to a future in which there may be fewer jobs (because of the robots and all that), the idea has value regardless of one’s prediction about the future of work. Income from a UBI can form the basis of savings, but that won’t happen without accounts or incentives to set aside some income.​

The case for helping the "unwilling to work"

Universal Basic Income

Yang’s campaign has become a surprise success based largely on one idea: giving Americans a $1,000 per month universal basic income payment.

Yang’s platform helped get America talking about universal income again, but his plan is expensive.

According to one estimate, Yang’s universal basic income would cost $2.8 trillion a year — an estimated 236 million adult citizens in the United States multiplied by a $12,000 yearly payment. (With Yang’s plan welfare and social program beneficiaries could choose to keep their benefits in lieu of receiving the cash payment, so number of adults receiving it could vary.)

To pay for the plan, dubbed the “freedom dividend,” Yang has proposed things like a 10 percent value-added tax (VAT) on the production of goods or services (the majority of countries already have a VAT), a higher capital gains tax and removing the Social Security tax cap.​

This free cash plan would pay you $1,320 per month and wouldn't cost the government a cent

Free Health Insurance, Including to Illegal Immigrants

Many of the Democratic candidates for president have endorsed providing health insurance to illegal immigrants. This analysis estimates the cost of providing illegal immigrants access to the existing system of government health benefits for low-income people. ... We estimate that there are 4.9 million uninsured illegal immigrants with incomes low enough to qualify for Medicaid or Advanced Premium Tax Credits (APTC), which are the subsidies provided by the Affordable Care Act (ACA). Assuming a realistic enrollment rate, the cost of providing ACA subsidies to illegal immigrants would be about $10 billion per year, with costs rising to as much as $23 billion per year if all eligible illegal immigrants enrolled. Costs would be similar under a hybrid approach that provides Medicaid for the lowest-income illegal immigrants and ACA subsidies for those with higher incomes​

How Much Would It Cost to Provide Health Insurance to Illegal Immigrants?

Democrats running for president have said they would support extending government health care coverage to undocumented immigrants -- a big shift, since undocumented immigrants currently have little access to federal programs.

They don't qualify for Medicare, aren't eligible for federal Affordable Care Act subsidies and generally can't enroll in Medicaid, which provides coverage for low-income people.

... Some 59% of Americans say that such coverage should not be available to undocumented immigrants, according to a CNN poll conducted in late June.​

Democrats want to offer health care to undocumented immigrants. Here's what that means - CNNPolitics

None of that is related to Liberalism, which was the starting point there.

Actually, the last non-lib that the D's nominated was John F Kennedy

We never did delve into what the poster means by "non-lib" but the statement was silly enough on its face that we didn't need to.

 

[jwoodie]

If they do remove him, I do believe, out of spite and anger some Trump supporters will vote for Bernie, to basically give the middle finger to the Establishment. They wanted Trump because he is a disrupter, his policies were best, and he is not a politician. The anti-establishment mood is still prevalent, it's clear.

Even as most might not support Bernies policies, they also have to know the Dems don't want him to win, and, it is a vote that is NOT for Trumps replacement in the GOP (whoever that might be if Trump is removed). Which they definitely will not support. Bernie is a disrupter too, so I believe many will support him to stick the middle finger to BOTH parties if Trump is removed.

Interesting points. Another possibility would be GOP voters in Blue States voting for Bernie if he ran as an independent (this is his last chance). That might be enough to deprive the Dem candidate from winning those states' electoral votes.

 

[candycorn]

Could be ...

“When I look at some of these other candidates out there, I can see them just sucking any enthusiasm from any undecided voters. So anyone who might have been for Bernie won’t vote for Biden, or any of the others out there,” Jackelen the Washington Examiner after a Sanders town hall in Newton.


“I think that people will sit at home because they see establishment Democrats that don’t really care. The only thing that they bring to the table is that they’re not Trump. That is not going to drive enough people out that will get a win over Trump,” he said.

'People will sit at home': Sanders supporters threaten to boycott vote if Democrats pick a centrist

I don’t think the DEMs will win the oval in 2020. But for them to have a shot, they cant have large swaths of voters staying home. Sanders supporters are just as big a threat to their winning as are the republicans

 

[Zorro!]

REMINDER: Bernie Sanders backed a party that supported Iran during hostage crisis.

In April 1979, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini took over Iran; months later 52 American diplomats and citizens, as well as citizens of other nations, were kidnapped and held hostage for 444 days in the US Embassy in Tehran.

While a majority of Americans stood firmly for the hostages and against their kidnappers, the Socialist Workers Party (SWP), a self-proclaimed Trotskyist revolutionary party, took the opposite position and insisted that the hostages were CIA agents.

 

[Polishprince]

REMINDER: Bernie Sanders backed a party that supported Iran during hostage crisis.

In April 1979, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini took over Iran; months later 52 American diplomats and citizens, as well as citizens of other nations, were kidnapped and held hostage for 444 days in the US Embassy in Tehran.

While a majority of Americans stood firmly for the hostages and against their kidnappers, the Socialist Workers Party (SWP), a self-proclaimed Trotskyist revolutionary party, took the opposite position and insisted that the hostages were CIA agents.

I never realized that Crazy Bernie was a devout Trotskyite. Should be a huge issue if he gets the nomination, Donald J. Trump really doesn't go that much for this kind of silliness.

 

[Zorro!]

REMINDER: Bernie Sanders backed a party that supported Iran during hostage crisis.

In April 1979, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini took over Iran; months later 52 American diplomats and citizens, as well as citizens of other nations, were kidnapped and held hostage for 444 days in the US Embassy in Tehran.

While a majority of Americans stood firmly for the hostages and against their kidnappers, the Socialist Workers Party (SWP), a self-proclaimed Trotskyist revolutionary party, took the opposite position and insisted that the hostages were CIA agents.

I never realized that Crazy Bernie was a devout Trotskyite. Should be a huge issue if he gets the nomination, Donald J. Trump really doesn't go that much for this kind of silliness.

He's a hard core radical hypocrite. Preaching hardcore communism, while he's a million with 3 homes including a Lakeside Dacha.

 

[Polishprince]

REMINDER: Bernie Sanders backed a party that supported Iran during hostage crisis.

In April 1979, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini took over Iran; months later 52 American diplomats and citizens, as well as citizens of other nations, were kidnapped and held hostage for 444 days in the US Embassy in Tehran.

While a majority of Americans stood firmly for the hostages and against their kidnappers, the Socialist Workers Party (SWP), a self-proclaimed Trotskyist revolutionary party, took the opposite position and insisted that the hostages were CIA agents.

I never realized that Crazy Bernie was a devout Trotskyite. Should be a huge issue if he gets the nomination, Donald J. Trump really doesn't go that much for this kind of silliness.

He's a hard core radical hypocrite. Preaching hardcore communism, while he's a million with 3 homes including a Lakeside Dacha.

Sanders is definitely a hardcore radical, but I don't see where Crazy Bernie is a "hypocrite". Leftist leaders always have fancy dachas to rule from while the teeming masses live in tenements.

 

[Zorro!]

REMINDER: Bernie Sanders backed a party that supported Iran during hostage crisis.

In April 1979, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini took over Iran; months later 52 American diplomats and citizens, as well as citizens of other nations, were kidnapped and held hostage for 444 days in the US Embassy in Tehran.

While a majority of Americans stood firmly for the hostages and against their kidnappers, the Socialist Workers Party (SWP), a self-proclaimed Trotskyist revolutionary party, took the opposite position and insisted that the hostages were CIA agents.

I never realized that Crazy Bernie was a devout Trotskyite. Should be a huge issue if he gets the nomination, Donald J. Trump really doesn't go that much for this kind of silliness.

He's a hard core radical hypocrite. Preaching hardcore communism, while he's a million with 3 homes including a Lakeside Dacha.

Sanders is definitely a hardcore radical, but I don't see where Crazy Bernie is a "hypocrite". Leftist leaders always have fancy dachas to rule from while the teeming masses live in tenements.

That makes them all hypocrites.

When US-Russia relations were on the rise, President Nixon even gave Brezhnev a Cadillac. It joined his Rolls Royce, Mazerati, and many others. Speaking of Brezhnev’s impressive car collection.

Brezhnev’s mother pays him a visit. He gives her a tour of his estate and shows her his garage full of fancy foreign cars. Her response: “But Lyonya, what will you do if the Communists come back?”

 

[hadit]

Could be ...

“When I look at some of these other candidates out there, I can see them just sucking any enthusiasm from any undecided voters. So anyone who might have been for Bernie won’t vote for Biden, or any of the others out there,” Jackelen the Washington Examiner after a Sanders town hall in Newton.


“I think that people will sit at home because they see establishment Democrats that don’t really care. The only thing that they bring to the table is that they’re not Trump. That is not going to drive enough people out that will get a win over Trump,” he said.

'People will sit at home': Sanders supporters threaten to boycott vote if Democrats pick a centrist

I don’t think the DEMs will win the oval in 2020. But for them to have a shot, they cant have large swaths of voters staying home. Sanders supporters are just as big a threat to their winning as are the republicans

Bernie’s supporters should send their message loud and clear and vote for no democrats at all next year.

 

[Pogo]

REMINDER: Bernie Sanders backed a party that supported Iran during hostage crisis.

In April 1979, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini took over Iran; months later 52 American diplomats and citizens, as well as citizens of other nations, were kidnapped and held hostage for 444 days in the US Embassy in Tehran.

While a majority of Americans stood firmly for the hostages and against their kidnappers, the Socialist Workers Party (SWP), a self-proclaimed Trotskyist revolutionary party, took the opposite position and insisted that the hostages were CIA agents.

Bernie Sanders "backed" no party in 1979. He was strictly independent, running for mayor of Burlington, which he won the following year, defeating an entrenched Democrat.

Don't fuck with me. I lived in Vermont. I know stuff.

 

[Pogo]

Could be ...

“When I look at some of these other candidates out there, I can see them just sucking any enthusiasm from any undecided voters. So anyone who might have been for Bernie won’t vote for Biden, or any of the others out there,” Jackelen the Washington Examiner after a Sanders town hall in Newton.


“I think that people will sit at home because they see establishment Democrats that don’t really care. The only thing that they bring to the table is that they’re not Trump. That is not going to drive enough people out that will get a win over Trump,” he said.

'People will sit at home': Sanders supporters threaten to boycott vote if Democrats pick a centrist

I don’t think the DEMs will win the oval in 2020. But for them to have a shot, they cant have large swaths of voters staying home. Sanders supporters are just as big a threat to their winning as are the republicans

Bernie’s supporters should send their message loud and clear and vote for no democrats at all next year.

He did.

His name is "Joe Jackelen, 35, from Ames Iowa". He's in the OP article, posing as a plural.

 

[jillian]

Could be ...

“When I look at some of these other candidates out there, I can see them just sucking any enthusiasm from any undecided voters. So anyone who might have been for Bernie won’t vote for Biden, or any of the others out there,” Jackelen the Washington Examiner after a Sanders town hall in Newton.


“I think that people will sit at home because they see establishment Democrats that don’t really care. The only thing that they bring to the table is that they’re not Trump. That is not going to drive enough people out that will get a win over Trump,” he said.

'People will sit at home': Sanders supporters threaten to boycott vote if Democrats pick a centrist

Bernie Bria aren’t the sharpest tools in the shed

 

[jillian]

REMINDER: Bernie Sanders backed a party that supported Iran during hostage crisis.

In April 1979, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini took over Iran; months later 52 American diplomats and citizens, as well as citizens of other nations, were kidnapped and held hostage for 444 days in the US Embassy in Tehran.

While a majority of Americans stood firmly for the hostages and against their kidnappers, the Socialist Workers Party (SWP), a self-proclaimed Trotskyist revolutionary party, took the opposite position and insisted that the hostages were CIA agents.

Bernie Sanders "backed" no party in 1979. He was strictly independent, running for mayor of Burlington, which he won the following year, defeating an entrenched Democrat.

Don't fuck with me. I lived in Vermont. I know stuff.

Bernie has never been a Democrat which is why he should never have been a factor in a DEMOCRATIC primary

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The D party has picked centrists before. They always lose when they do.

O campaigned as a progressive and won. Of course, he was a terrible fraud. He clearly was a corporatist warmongering centrist.

Barack "Born in Kenya" originally campaigned as a fiscal conservative and political moderate running against a sabotaged economy

 

[Pogo]

REMINDER: Bernie Sanders backed a party that supported Iran during hostage crisis.

In April 1979, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini took over Iran; months later 52 American diplomats and citizens, as well as citizens of other nations, were kidnapped and held hostage for 444 days in the US Embassy in Tehran.

While a majority of Americans stood firmly for the hostages and against their kidnappers, the Socialist Workers Party (SWP), a self-proclaimed Trotskyist revolutionary party, took the opposite position and insisted that the hostages were CIA agents.

Bernie Sanders "backed" no party in 1979. He was strictly independent, running for mayor of Burlington, which he won the following year, defeating an entrenched Democrat.

Don't fuck with me. I lived in Vermont. I know stuff.

Bernie has never been a Democrat which is why he should never have been a factor in a DEMOCRATIC primary

It's like driving a car as opposed to walking when you need to go a thousand miles and you don't drive. It's possible, but one way is much more likely to get you there than the other.

Rump isn't a Republican either. He took the same course. In his case the party was stupid enough to buy it. Much like those who bought Fraud University. And the casino investors. And the vitamins where you send in your pee.

 

[Osiris-ODS]

There won't be any "Bernie voters" in November, 2020 because Nutty Old Uncle Bernie will be safely be back in the attic somewhere in darkest Vermont. He might come out to vote for Hillary but, if he goes by daylight and sees his shadow..........

I just happened to be reading this thread. How are you feeling about this prediction right now? As unlikely as it seemed just a month ago, he seems to have surged to the lead once again in the Dem primaries.