Russian and American History: Tied Together

[JakeStarkey]

(1) you have admitted by omission you have no idea what FDR thought

(2) did you change your original OP from the Cheka becoming the SS to training the SS? Yes, you did. The SS and cheka have been removed from your OP and arguments on page one. That has been reported to admin.

(3) You STILL have offered nothing that shows that FDR approved any of that. Do you have such material? And are you now saying you don't like Hitler?

From now on, your OP will be copied and saved in full. Any further deletions, distortions, and lies will be posted to the whole Board in a new OP and sent to the admin.

 

[Moonglow]

(1) you have admitted by omission you have no idea what FDR thought

(2) did you change your original OP from the Cheka becoming the SS to training the SS? Yes, you did. The SS and cheka have been removed from your OP and arguments on page one. That has been reported to admin.

(3) You STILL have offered nothing that shows that FDR approved any of that. Do you have such material? And are you now saying you don't like Hitler?

From now on, your OP will be copied and saved in full. Any further deletions, distortions, and lies will be posted to the whole Board in a new OP and sent to the admin.

And reported for spam because the same subject is posted on like clock work...by the same person...

 

[Camp]

How many American sailors were killed in the Atlantic by Russian submarines before WWII began?
How many American sailors were killed in the Atlantic by German submarines before WWII began?
After you do the research and are able to answer the two questions listed above, which side do you think the USA should have chosen to be on in WWII?

Did you just bring up American dead?

You mean like the 150,000 who died as a result of Roosevelt's agreeing to refuse to accept other than 'unconditional surrender'....
...because that is what Stalin ordered?


Or the 20,000 American soldiers that Roosevelt sacrificed to Stalin's gulags?

5. Those concentration camps of the Cheka, the ones they instructed the Nazis on.....thank goodness they didn't involve American prisoners!


Oh...wait.


They did.


a. On March 26, 1945, Army Chief of Staff George C. Marshall issued the following order: "Censor all stories, delete criticism Russian treatment." This was aimed at those Americans who had been POWs of the Red Army. Note that some 20,000 US soldiers were never returned by the communists.


" By May 15, 1945, the Pentagon believed 25,000 American POWs "liberated" by the Red Army were still being held hostage to Soviet demands that all "Soviet citizens" be returned to Soviet control, "without exception" and by force if necessary, as agreed to at the Yalta Conference in February 1945.


When the U.S. refused to return some military formations composed of Soviet citizens, such as the First Ukrainian SS Division, Stalin retaliated by returning only 4,116 of the hostage American POWs. On June 1, 1945, the United States Government issued documents, signed by General Dwight D. Eisenhower, explaining away the loss of approximately 20,000 POWs remaining under Stalin's control." http://www.nationalalliance.org/wwii/wwii.htm

First thing you do is deflect and as always, refuse to answer a simple question. Instead you bring up your claims about unconditional surrender, which by the way, I seem to recall a thread on that subject where your concept was destroyed by multiple posters who showed it to be what I call most of your imaginative ideas, nonsense. Your concept is based on this silly idea you have that Germany could have gotten rid of Hitler and surrendered or Hitler himself was willing to surrender.

Next you mention Roosevelt sacrificing 20,000 troops to the gulags hoping that no one will notice you are blaming Roosevelt for doing something after he was dead and buried. The conspiracy theory about troops abandoned in Russia involve personnel and incidents that happened immediately following the surrender of Germany and had absolutely nothing to do with the deceased FDR. If it occurred as you claim the culprits would have been Eisenhower, Marshall and Truman.

The claim that 20,000 troops were abandoned to the Soviets following WWII theory, is a conspiracy theory. Your link to the Alliance of Families does not work. The idea has not gained traction as a valid factual account of what happened to the large numbers of American MIA's who went unaccounted for from European battlefields after WWII.

 

[PoliticalChic]

(1) you have admitted by omission you have no idea what FDR thought

(2) did you change your original OP from the Cheka becoming the SS to training the SS? Yes, you did. The SS and cheka have been removed from your OP and arguments on page one. That has been reported to admin.

(3) You STILL have offered nothing that shows that FDR approved any of that. Do you have such material? And are you now saying you don't like Hitler?

From now on, your OP will be copied and saved in full. Any further deletions, distortions, and lies will be posted to the whole Board in a new OP and sent to the admin.

1. "you have admitted by omission you have no idea what FDR thought"
No, you dunce....I've proven that you won't admit that I've nailed it. The evidence I've provided clearly indicates that Roosevelt was exactly what I said he was.

And to shield him, I've forced you to resort to lying about me.

Several times.


2. "You STILL have offered nothing that shows that FDR approved any of that."
Bulletin: Roosevelt was the President.



3. "and lies will be posted to the whole Board in a new OP"

Great!

But....everyone knows your are a congenital liar already!


4. "(2) did you change your original OP from the Cheka becoming the SS to training the SS? Yes, you did. The SS and cheka have been removed from your OP and arguments on page one. That has been reported to admin."

Great!

Let's see the response....it will show that I never did any such thing.

 

[PoliticalChic]

(1) you have admitted by omission you have no idea what FDR thought

(2) did you change your original OP from the Cheka becoming the SS to training the SS? Yes, you did. The SS and cheka have been removed from your OP and arguments on page one. That has been reported to admin.

(3) You STILL have offered nothing that shows that FDR approved any of that. Do you have such material? And are you now saying you don't like Hitler?

From now on, your OP will be copied and saved in full. Any further deletions, distortions, and lies will be posted to the whole Board in a new OP and sent to the admin.

And reported for spam because the same subject is posted on like clock work...by the same person...

Always new evidence to prove my conclusion.

But....as it seems to irritate you that you are unable to dispute any of it.....You can opt not to respond.

If you stop posting.....you'd be the only one who noticed it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

How many American sailors were killed in the Atlantic by Russian submarines before WWII began?
How many American sailors were killed in the Atlantic by German submarines before WWII began?
After you do the research and are able to answer the two questions listed above, which side do you think the USA should have chosen to be on in WWII?

Did you just bring up American dead?

You mean like the 150,000 who died as a result of Roosevelt's agreeing to refuse to accept other than 'unconditional surrender'....
...because that is what Stalin ordered?


Or the 20,000 American soldiers that Roosevelt sacrificed to Stalin's gulags?

5. Those concentration camps of the Cheka, the ones they instructed the Nazis on.....thank goodness they didn't involve American prisoners!


Oh...wait.


They did.


a. On March 26, 1945, Army Chief of Staff George C. Marshall issued the following order: "Censor all stories, delete criticism Russian treatment." This was aimed at those Americans who had been POWs of the Red Army. Note that some 20,000 US soldiers were never returned by the communists.


" By May 15, 1945, the Pentagon believed 25,000 American POWs "liberated" by the Red Army were still being held hostage to Soviet demands that all "Soviet citizens" be returned to Soviet control, "without exception" and by force if necessary, as agreed to at the Yalta Conference in February 1945.


When the U.S. refused to return some military formations composed of Soviet citizens, such as the First Ukrainian SS Division, Stalin retaliated by returning only 4,116 of the hostage American POWs. On June 1, 1945, the United States Government issued documents, signed by General Dwight D. Eisenhower, explaining away the loss of approximately 20,000 POWs remaining under Stalin's control." http://www.nationalalliance.org/wwii/wwii.htm

First thing you do is deflect and as always, refuse to answer a simple question. Instead you bring up your claims about unconditional surrender, which by the way, I seem to recall a thread on that subject where your concept was destroyed by multiple posters who showed it to be what I call most of your imaginative ideas, nonsense. Your concept is based on this silly idea you have that Germany could have gotten rid of Hitler and surrendered or Hitler himself was willing to surrender.

Next you mention Roosevelt sacrificing 20,000 troops to the gulags hoping that no one will notice you are blaming Roosevelt for doing something after he was dead and buried. The conspiracy theory about troops abandoned in Russia involve personnel and incidents that happened immediately following the surrender of Germany and had absolutely nothing to do with the deceased FDR. If it occurred as you claim the culprits would have been Eisenhower, Marshall and Truman.

The claim that 20,000 troops were abandoned to the Soviets following WWII theory, is a conspiracy theory. Your link to the Alliance of Families does not work. The idea has not gained traction as a valid factual account of what happened to the large numbers of American MIA's who went unaccounted for from European battlefields after WWII.

"Next you mention Roosevelt sacrificing 20,000 troops to the gulags hoping that no one will notice you are blaming Roosevelt for doing something after he was dead and buried."

1. Nice try.

a. FDR died April 12th, 1945..but, based on Marshall's order, the White House clearly knew of the following prior to that:

" By May 15, 1945, the Pentagon believed 25,000 American POWs "liberated" by the Red Army were still being held hostage to Soviet demands that all "Soviet citizens" be returned to Soviet control, "without exception" and by force if necessary, as agreed to at the Yalta Conference in February 1945. When the U.S. refused to return some military formations composed of Soviet citizens, such as the First Ukrainian SS Division, Stalin retaliated by returning only 4,116 of the hostage American POWs. On June 1, 1945, the United States Government issued documents, signed by General Dwight D. Eisenhower, explaining away the loss of approximately 20,000 POWs remaining under Stalin's control." http://www.nationalalliance.org/wwii/wwii.htm

 

[Moonglow]

(1) you have admitted by omission you have no idea what FDR thought

(2) did you change your original OP from the Cheka becoming the SS to training the SS? Yes, you did. The SS and cheka have been removed from your OP and arguments on page one. That has been reported to admin.

(3) You STILL have offered nothing that shows that FDR approved any of that. Do you have such material? And are you now saying you don't like Hitler?

From now on, your OP will be copied and saved in full. Any further deletions, distortions, and lies will be posted to the whole Board in a new OP and sent to the admin.

And reported for spam because the same subject is posted on like clock work...by the same person...

Always new evidence to prove my conclusion.

But....as it seems to irritate you that you are unable to dispute any of it.....You can opt not to respond.

If you stop posting.....you'd be the only one who noticed it.

It was disputed 4 years ago. I see no need in regurgitating redundancy, are you like mentally retarded still?

 

[Moonglow]

How many American sailors were killed in the Atlantic by Russian submarines before WWII began?
How many American sailors were killed in the Atlantic by German submarines before WWII began?
After you do the research and are able to answer the two questions listed above, which side do you think the USA should have chosen to be on in WWII?

Did you just bring up American dead?

You mean like the 150,000 who died as a result of Roosevelt's agreeing to refuse to accept other than 'unconditional surrender'....
...because that is what Stalin ordered?


Or the 20,000 American soldiers that Roosevelt sacrificed to Stalin's gulags?

5. Those concentration camps of the Cheka, the ones they instructed the Nazis on.....thank goodness they didn't involve American prisoners!


Oh...wait.


They did.


a. On March 26, 1945, Army Chief of Staff George C. Marshall issued the following order: "Censor all stories, delete criticism Russian treatment." This was aimed at those Americans who had been POWs of the Red Army. Note that some 20,000 US soldiers were never returned by the communists.


" By May 15, 1945, the Pentagon believed 25,000 American POWs "liberated" by the Red Army were still being held hostage to Soviet demands that all "Soviet citizens" be returned to Soviet control, "without exception" and by force if necessary, as agreed to at the Yalta Conference in February 1945.


When the U.S. refused to return some military formations composed of Soviet citizens, such as the First Ukrainian SS Division, Stalin retaliated by returning only 4,116 of the hostage American POWs. On June 1, 1945, the United States Government issued documents, signed by General Dwight D. Eisenhower, explaining away the loss of approximately 20,000 POWs remaining under Stalin's control." http://www.nationalalliance.org/wwii/wwii.htm

First thing you do is deflect and as always, refuse to answer a simple question. Instead you bring up your claims about unconditional surrender, which by the way, I seem to recall a thread on that subject where your concept was destroyed by multiple posters who showed it to be what I call most of your imaginative ideas, nonsense. Your concept is based on this silly idea you have that Germany could have gotten rid of Hitler and surrendered or Hitler himself was willing to surrender.

Next you mention Roosevelt sacrificing 20,000 troops to the gulags hoping that no one will notice you are blaming Roosevelt for doing something after he was dead and buried. The conspiracy theory about troops abandoned in Russia involve personnel and incidents that happened immediately following the surrender of Germany and had absolutely nothing to do with the deceased FDR. If it occurred as you claim the culprits would have been Eisenhower, Marshall and Truman.

The claim that 20,000 troops were abandoned to the Soviets following WWII theory, is a conspiracy theory. Your link to the Alliance of Families does not work. The idea has not gained traction as a valid factual account of what happened to the large numbers of American MIA's who went unaccounted for from European battlefields after WWII.

"Next you mention Roosevelt sacrificing 20,000 troops to the gulags hoping that no one will notice you are blaming Roosevelt for doing something after he was dead and buried."

1. Nice try.

a. FDR died April 12th, 1945..but, based on Marshall's order, the White House clearly knew of the following prior to that:

" By May 15, 1945, the Pentagon believed 25,000 American POWs "liberated" by the Red Army were still being held hostage to Soviet demands that all "Soviet citizens" be returned to Soviet control, "without exception" and by force if necessary, as agreed to at the Yalta Conference in February 1945. When the U.S. refused to return some military formations composed of Soviet citizens, such as the First Ukrainian SS Division, Stalin retaliated by returning only 4,116 of the hostage American POWs. On June 1, 1945, the United States Government issued documents, signed by General Dwight D. Eisenhower, explaining away the loss of approximately 20,000 POWs remaining under Stalin's control." http://www.nationalalliance.org/wwii/wwii.htm

Well, why didn't you do something? I am sure you could have, like your 20/20 hindsight is expecting....

 

[PoliticalChic]

How many American sailors were killed in the Atlantic by Russian submarines before WWII began?
How many American sailors were killed in the Atlantic by German submarines before WWII began?
After you do the research and are able to answer the two questions listed above, which side do you think the USA should have chosen to be on in WWII?

Did you just bring up American dead?

You mean like the 150,000 who died as a result of Roosevelt's agreeing to refuse to accept other than 'unconditional surrender'....
...because that is what Stalin ordered?


Or the 20,000 American soldiers that Roosevelt sacrificed to Stalin's gulags?

5. Those concentration camps of the Cheka, the ones they instructed the Nazis on.....thank goodness they didn't involve American prisoners!


Oh...wait.


They did.


a. On March 26, 1945, Army Chief of Staff George C. Marshall issued the following order: "Censor all stories, delete criticism Russian treatment." This was aimed at those Americans who had been POWs of the Red Army. Note that some 20,000 US soldiers were never returned by the communists.


" By May 15, 1945, the Pentagon believed 25,000 American POWs "liberated" by the Red Army were still being held hostage to Soviet demands that all "Soviet citizens" be returned to Soviet control, "without exception" and by force if necessary, as agreed to at the Yalta Conference in February 1945.


When the U.S. refused to return some military formations composed of Soviet citizens, such as the First Ukrainian SS Division, Stalin retaliated by returning only 4,116 of the hostage American POWs. On June 1, 1945, the United States Government issued documents, signed by General Dwight D. Eisenhower, explaining away the loss of approximately 20,000 POWs remaining under Stalin's control." http://www.nationalalliance.org/wwii/wwii.htm

First thing you do is deflect and as always, refuse to answer a simple question. Instead you bring up your claims about unconditional surrender, which by the way, I seem to recall a thread on that subject where your concept was destroyed by multiple posters who showed it to be what I call most of your imaginative ideas, nonsense. Your concept is based on this silly idea you have that Germany could have gotten rid of Hitler and surrendered or Hitler himself was willing to surrender.

Next you mention Roosevelt sacrificing 20,000 troops to the gulags hoping that no one will notice you are blaming Roosevelt for doing something after he was dead and buried. The conspiracy theory about troops abandoned in Russia involve personnel and incidents that happened immediately following the surrender of Germany and had absolutely nothing to do with the deceased FDR. If it occurred as you claim the culprits would have been Eisenhower, Marshall and Truman.

The claim that 20,000 troops were abandoned to the Soviets following WWII theory, is a conspiracy theory. Your link to the Alliance of Families does not work. The idea has not gained traction as a valid factual account of what happened to the large numbers of American MIA's who went unaccounted for from European battlefields after WWII.

National Alliance of Families

Works.

 

[PoliticalChic]

How many American sailors were killed in the Atlantic by Russian submarines before WWII began?
How many American sailors were killed in the Atlantic by German submarines before WWII began?
After you do the research and are able to answer the two questions listed above, which side do you think the USA should have chosen to be on in WWII?

Did you just bring up American dead?

You mean like the 150,000 who died as a result of Roosevelt's agreeing to refuse to accept other than 'unconditional surrender'....
...because that is what Stalin ordered?


Or the 20,000 American soldiers that Roosevelt sacrificed to Stalin's gulags?

5. Those concentration camps of the Cheka, the ones they instructed the Nazis on.....thank goodness they didn't involve American prisoners!


Oh...wait.


They did.


a. On March 26, 1945, Army Chief of Staff George C. Marshall issued the following order: "Censor all stories, delete criticism Russian treatment." This was aimed at those Americans who had been POWs of the Red Army. Note that some 20,000 US soldiers were never returned by the communists.


" By May 15, 1945, the Pentagon believed 25,000 American POWs "liberated" by the Red Army were still being held hostage to Soviet demands that all "Soviet citizens" be returned to Soviet control, "without exception" and by force if necessary, as agreed to at the Yalta Conference in February 1945.


When the U.S. refused to return some military formations composed of Soviet citizens, such as the First Ukrainian SS Division, Stalin retaliated by returning only 4,116 of the hostage American POWs. On June 1, 1945, the United States Government issued documents, signed by General Dwight D. Eisenhower, explaining away the loss of approximately 20,000 POWs remaining under Stalin's control." http://www.nationalalliance.org/wwii/wwii.htm

First thing you do is deflect and as always, refuse to answer a simple question. Instead you bring up your claims about unconditional surrender, which by the way, I seem to recall a thread on that subject where your concept was destroyed by multiple posters who showed it to be what I call most of your imaginative ideas, nonsense. Your concept is based on this silly idea you have that Germany could have gotten rid of Hitler and surrendered or Hitler himself was willing to surrender.

Next you mention Roosevelt sacrificing 20,000 troops to the gulags hoping that no one will notice you are blaming Roosevelt for doing something after he was dead and buried. The conspiracy theory about troops abandoned in Russia involve personnel and incidents that happened immediately following the surrender of Germany and had absolutely nothing to do with the deceased FDR. If it occurred as you claim the culprits would have been Eisenhower, Marshall and Truman.

The claim that 20,000 troops were abandoned to the Soviets following WWII theory, is a conspiracy theory. Your link to the Alliance of Families does not work. The idea has not gained traction as a valid factual account of what happened to the large numbers of American MIA's who went unaccounted for from European battlefields after WWII.

"Next you mention Roosevelt sacrificing 20,000 troops to the gulags hoping that no one will notice you are blaming Roosevelt for doing something after he was dead and buried."

1. Nice try.

a. FDR died April 12th, 1945..but, based on Marshall's order, the White House clearly knew of the following prior to that:

" By May 15, 1945, the Pentagon believed 25,000 American POWs "liberated" by the Red Army were still being held hostage to Soviet demands that all "Soviet citizens" be returned to Soviet control, "without exception" and by force if necessary, as agreed to at the Yalta Conference in February 1945. When the U.S. refused to return some military formations composed of Soviet citizens, such as the First Ukrainian SS Division, Stalin retaliated by returning only 4,116 of the hostage American POWs. On June 1, 1945, the United States Government issued documents, signed by General Dwight D. Eisenhower, explaining away the loss of approximately 20,000 POWs remaining under Stalin's control." http://www.nationalalliance.org/wwii/wwii.htm

Well, why didn't you do something? I am sure you could have, like your 20/20 hindsight is expecting....

Who can explain FDR's actions with respect to his backing of Stalin's communists?

No genocide, no massacres, capture of American soldiers, no duplicity of any sort dimmed FDR's ardor for 'Uncle Joe."


Explain it?


Anyone?

 

[Camp]

How many American sailors were killed in the Atlantic by Russian submarines before WWII began?
How many American sailors were killed in the Atlantic by German submarines before WWII began?
After you do the research and are able to answer the two questions listed above, which side do you think the USA should have chosen to be on in WWII?

Did you just bring up American dead?

You mean like the 150,000 who died as a result of Roosevelt's agreeing to refuse to accept other than 'unconditional surrender'....
...because that is what Stalin ordered?


Or the 20,000 American soldiers that Roosevelt sacrificed to Stalin's gulags?

5. Those concentration camps of the Cheka, the ones they instructed the Nazis on.....thank goodness they didn't involve American prisoners!


Oh...wait.


They did.


a. On March 26, 1945, Army Chief of Staff George C. Marshall issued the following order: "Censor all stories, delete criticism Russian treatment." This was aimed at those Americans who had been POWs of the Red Army. Note that some 20,000 US soldiers were never returned by the communists.


" By May 15, 1945, the Pentagon believed 25,000 American POWs "liberated" by the Red Army were still being held hostage to Soviet demands that all "Soviet citizens" be returned to Soviet control, "without exception" and by force if necessary, as agreed to at the Yalta Conference in February 1945.


When the U.S. refused to return some military formations composed of Soviet citizens, such as the First Ukrainian SS Division, Stalin retaliated by returning only 4,116 of the hostage American POWs. On June 1, 1945, the United States Government issued documents, signed by General Dwight D. Eisenhower, explaining away the loss of approximately 20,000 POWs remaining under Stalin's control." http://www.nationalalliance.org/wwii/wwii.htm

First thing you do is deflect and as always, refuse to answer a simple question. Instead you bring up your claims about unconditional surrender, which by the way, I seem to recall a thread on that subject where your concept was destroyed by multiple posters who showed it to be what I call most of your imaginative ideas, nonsense. Your concept is based on this silly idea you have that Germany could have gotten rid of Hitler and surrendered or Hitler himself was willing to surrender.

Next you mention Roosevelt sacrificing 20,000 troops to the gulags hoping that no one will notice you are blaming Roosevelt for doing something after he was dead and buried. The conspiracy theory about troops abandoned in Russia involve personnel and incidents that happened immediately following the surrender of Germany and had absolutely nothing to do with the deceased FDR. If it occurred as you claim the culprits would have been Eisenhower, Marshall and Truman.

The claim that 20,000 troops were abandoned to the Soviets following WWII theory, is a conspiracy theory. Your link to the Alliance of Families does not work. The idea has not gained traction as a valid factual account of what happened to the large numbers of American MIA's who went unaccounted for from European battlefields after WWII.

National Alliance of Families

Works.

That article does not address or support your claims about Roosevelt abandoning POW's at the end of WWII. Nor does it address or respond to my challenges to your claims. Sanders and Sauter base much of their work on research that originated with Ashcroft and Brown and was first published as "A Chain of Prisoners" in 1989. Not even they tried to make the link you have attempted to make. You have alleged involvement of FDR in a conspiracy theory that is alleged to have occurred after his death and posted a link that offers not a shred of evidence or even accusation of his involvement. At first you posted a link to nowhere and after being called out on it you offer a link about the topic in general, but does not back up your claim in any way. You use every dishonest trick in the book.

 

[PoliticalChic]

How many American sailors were killed in the Atlantic by Russian submarines before WWII began?
How many American sailors were killed in the Atlantic by German submarines before WWII began?
After you do the research and are able to answer the two questions listed above, which side do you think the USA should have chosen to be on in WWII?

Did you just bring up American dead?

You mean like the 150,000 who died as a result of Roosevelt's agreeing to refuse to accept other than 'unconditional surrender'....
...because that is what Stalin ordered?


Or the 20,000 American soldiers that Roosevelt sacrificed to Stalin's gulags?

5. Those concentration camps of the Cheka, the ones they instructed the Nazis on.....thank goodness they didn't involve American prisoners!


Oh...wait.


They did.


a. On March 26, 1945, Army Chief of Staff George C. Marshall issued the following order: "Censor all stories, delete criticism Russian treatment." This was aimed at those Americans who had been POWs of the Red Army. Note that some 20,000 US soldiers were never returned by the communists.


" By May 15, 1945, the Pentagon believed 25,000 American POWs "liberated" by the Red Army were still being held hostage to Soviet demands that all "Soviet citizens" be returned to Soviet control, "without exception" and by force if necessary, as agreed to at the Yalta Conference in February 1945.


When the U.S. refused to return some military formations composed of Soviet citizens, such as the First Ukrainian SS Division, Stalin retaliated by returning only 4,116 of the hostage American POWs. On June 1, 1945, the United States Government issued documents, signed by General Dwight D. Eisenhower, explaining away the loss of approximately 20,000 POWs remaining under Stalin's control." http://www.nationalalliance.org/wwii/wwii.htm

First thing you do is deflect and as always, refuse to answer a simple question. Instead you bring up your claims about unconditional surrender, which by the way, I seem to recall a thread on that subject where your concept was destroyed by multiple posters who showed it to be what I call most of your imaginative ideas, nonsense. Your concept is based on this silly idea you have that Germany could have gotten rid of Hitler and surrendered or Hitler himself was willing to surrender.

Next you mention Roosevelt sacrificing 20,000 troops to the gulags hoping that no one will notice you are blaming Roosevelt for doing something after he was dead and buried. The conspiracy theory about troops abandoned in Russia involve personnel and incidents that happened immediately following the surrender of Germany and had absolutely nothing to do with the deceased FDR. If it occurred as you claim the culprits would have been Eisenhower, Marshall and Truman.

The claim that 20,000 troops were abandoned to the Soviets following WWII theory, is a conspiracy theory. Your link to the Alliance of Families does not work. The idea has not gained traction as a valid factual account of what happened to the large numbers of American MIA's who went unaccounted for from European battlefields after WWII.

National Alliance of Families

Works.

That article does not address or support your claims about Roosevelt abandoning POW's at the end of WWII. Nor does it address or respond to my challenges to your claims. Sanders and Sauter base much of their work on research that originated with Ashcroft and Brown and was first published as "A Chain of Prisoners" in 1989. Not even they tried to make the link you have attempted to make. You have alleged involvement of FDR in a conspiracy theory that is alleged to have occurred after his death and posted a link that offers not a shred of evidence or even accusation of his involvement. At first you posted a link to nowhere and after being called out on it you offer a link about the topic in general, but does not back up your claim in any way. You use every dishonest trick in the book.

"That article does not address or support your claims about Roosevelt abandoning POW's at the end of WWII."

Let's see how effortlessly I can prove you to be a liar.


1. Were there 20,000-25,000 American troops held by our Russian "allies"???

2. Did Uncle Joe's minions refuse repatriation of 20,000-25,000 American troops?

3. Who was the President of the United States during the time the 20,000-25,000 American troops were taken prisoner by our Russian "allies"?

4. As the 20,000-25,000 American troops were not repatriated by our Russian "allies," would the term "abandoned" be accurate?

a·ban·doned
(ə-băn′dənd)
adj.
1. Deserted; forsaken.
abandoned - definition of abandoned by The Free Dictionary


In your face, boyyyyyyeeeeeee!

 

[Liminal]

Boy, now that was as one sided as one can get on the history of the period, of course it's brevity and lack of wit is aimed at demonizing one man...

It certainly is one point of view.

 

[Camp]

How many American sailors were killed in the Atlantic by Russian submarines before WWII began?
How many American sailors were killed in the Atlantic by German submarines before WWII began?
After you do the research and are able to answer the two questions listed above, which side do you think the USA should have chosen to be on in WWII?

Did you just bring up American dead?

You mean like the 150,000 who died as a result of Roosevelt's agreeing to refuse to accept other than 'unconditional surrender'....
...because that is what Stalin ordered?


Or the 20,000 American soldiers that Roosevelt sacrificed to Stalin's gulags?

5. Those concentration camps of the Cheka, the ones they instructed the Nazis on.....thank goodness they didn't involve American prisoners!


Oh...wait.


They did.


a. On March 26, 1945, Army Chief of Staff George C. Marshall issued the following order: "Censor all stories, delete criticism Russian treatment." This was aimed at those Americans who had been POWs of the Red Army. Note that some 20,000 US soldiers were never returned by the communists.


" By May 15, 1945, the Pentagon believed 25,000 American POWs "liberated" by the Red Army were still being held hostage to Soviet demands that all "Soviet citizens" be returned to Soviet control, "without exception" and by force if necessary, as agreed to at the Yalta Conference in February 1945.


When the U.S. refused to return some military formations composed of Soviet citizens, such as the First Ukrainian SS Division, Stalin retaliated by returning only 4,116 of the hostage American POWs. On June 1, 1945, the United States Government issued documents, signed by General Dwight D. Eisenhower, explaining away the loss of approximately 20,000 POWs remaining under Stalin's control." http://www.nationalalliance.org/wwii/wwii.htm

First thing you do is deflect and as always, refuse to answer a simple question. Instead you bring up your claims about unconditional surrender, which by the way, I seem to recall a thread on that subject where your concept was destroyed by multiple posters who showed it to be what I call most of your imaginative ideas, nonsense. Your concept is based on this silly idea you have that Germany could have gotten rid of Hitler and surrendered or Hitler himself was willing to surrender.

Next you mention Roosevelt sacrificing 20,000 troops to the gulags hoping that no one will notice you are blaming Roosevelt for doing something after he was dead and buried. The conspiracy theory about troops abandoned in Russia involve personnel and incidents that happened immediately following the surrender of Germany and had absolutely nothing to do with the deceased FDR. If it occurred as you claim the culprits would have been Eisenhower, Marshall and Truman.

The claim that 20,000 troops were abandoned to the Soviets following WWII theory, is a conspiracy theory. Your link to the Alliance of Families does not work. The idea has not gained traction as a valid factual account of what happened to the large numbers of American MIA's who went unaccounted for from European battlefields after WWII.

National Alliance of Families

Works.

That article does not address or support your claims about Roosevelt abandoning POW's at the end of WWII. Nor does it address or respond to my challenges to your claims. Sanders and Sauter base much of their work on research that originated with Ashcroft and Brown and was first published as "A Chain of Prisoners" in 1989. Not even they tried to make the link you have attempted to make. You have alleged involvement of FDR in a conspiracy theory that is alleged to have occurred after his death and posted a link that offers not a shred of evidence or even accusation of his involvement. At first you posted a link to nowhere and after being called out on it you offer a link about the topic in general, but does not back up your claim in any way. You use every dishonest trick in the book.

"That article does not address or support your claims about Roosevelt abandoning POW's at the end of WWII."

Let's see how effortlessly I can prove you to be a liar.


1. Were there 20,000-25,000 American troops held by our Russian "allies"???

2. Did Uncle Joe's minions refuse repatriation of 20,000-25,000 American troops?

3. Who was the President of the United States during the time the 20,000-25,000 American troops were taken prisoner by our Russian "allies"?

4. As the 20,000-25,000 American troops were not repatriated by our Russian "allies," would the term "abandoned" be accurate?

a·ban·doned
(ə-băn′dənd)
adj.
1. Deserted; forsaken.
abandoned - definition of abandoned by The Free Dictionary


In your face, boyyyyyyeeeeeee!

Your first two questions can only be answered with opinions. The figures for the alleged POW's come from POW's rescued from German POW camps by Russians as they overran the camps in eastern Germany. These POW's were repatriated by the Russians. Roosevelt was not alive as these things were happening. The 25,000 to 20,000 figure comes from discrepancies in the number of POW's being held at the various German camps holding American POW's. Tens of thousands of American POW's were not captured on the battlefield by Russian troops. The American's and Russian's were not battling each other. Other than being rescued and released out of the German camps, American's found their way into Russian control from emergency landing of aircraft, mostly all bombers who flew towards the Russian lines and crash landed behind them. Those men were usually accounted for and returned right away.

You third question has been answered. Truman was President while the German camps were being overrun and Americans being repatriated by the Russians. Any controversy about the numbers occurred during the Truman Presidency.

Your final question has been answered. You are promoting a conspiracy theory about the abandonment of troops after WWII to the Russian's. The official response from the US and Russian governments has been that this conspiracy theory is based on accounting era's. It is embellished by accounts that show the possibility of a few dozen English speaking soldiers left behind. One report indicated as many as a couple of hundred. This is usually thought to be American, Canadian and British combined. It is also speculated that these could have been willing stay behinds. Over 73,000 Americans were returned. It is not hard to imagine that some may have chosen to stay behind.

So there you go. Your claim that Roosevelt left behind 20,000 American troops in the hands of Stalin is 100% fraudulent misinformation embellished with some doses of dishonesty and topped with lies.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Did you just bring up American dead?

You mean like the 150,000 who died as a result of Roosevelt's agreeing to refuse to accept other than 'unconditional surrender'....
...because that is what Stalin ordered?


Or the 20,000 American soldiers that Roosevelt sacrificed to Stalin's gulags?

5. Those concentration camps of the Cheka, the ones they instructed the Nazis on.....thank goodness they didn't involve American prisoners!


Oh...wait.


They did.


a. On March 26, 1945, Army Chief of Staff George C. Marshall issued the following order: "Censor all stories, delete criticism Russian treatment." This was aimed at those Americans who had been POWs of the Red Army. Note that some 20,000 US soldiers were never returned by the communists.


" By May 15, 1945, the Pentagon believed 25,000 American POWs "liberated" by the Red Army were still being held hostage to Soviet demands that all "Soviet citizens" be returned to Soviet control, "without exception" and by force if necessary, as agreed to at the Yalta Conference in February 1945.


When the U.S. refused to return some military formations composed of Soviet citizens, such as the First Ukrainian SS Division, Stalin retaliated by returning only 4,116 of the hostage American POWs. On June 1, 1945, the United States Government issued documents, signed by General Dwight D. Eisenhower, explaining away the loss of approximately 20,000 POWs remaining under Stalin's control." http://www.nationalalliance.org/wwii/wwii.htm

First thing you do is deflect and as always, refuse to answer a simple question. Instead you bring up your claims about unconditional surrender, which by the way, I seem to recall a thread on that subject where your concept was destroyed by multiple posters who showed it to be what I call most of your imaginative ideas, nonsense. Your concept is based on this silly idea you have that Germany could have gotten rid of Hitler and surrendered or Hitler himself was willing to surrender.

Next you mention Roosevelt sacrificing 20,000 troops to the gulags hoping that no one will notice you are blaming Roosevelt for doing something after he was dead and buried. The conspiracy theory about troops abandoned in Russia involve personnel and incidents that happened immediately following the surrender of Germany and had absolutely nothing to do with the deceased FDR. If it occurred as you claim the culprits would have been Eisenhower, Marshall and Truman.

The claim that 20,000 troops were abandoned to the Soviets following WWII theory, is a conspiracy theory. Your link to the Alliance of Families does not work. The idea has not gained traction as a valid factual account of what happened to the large numbers of American MIA's who went unaccounted for from European battlefields after WWII.

National Alliance of Families

Works.

That article does not address or support your claims about Roosevelt abandoning POW's at the end of WWII. Nor does it address or respond to my challenges to your claims. Sanders and Sauter base much of their work on research that originated with Ashcroft and Brown and was first published as "A Chain of Prisoners" in 1989. Not even they tried to make the link you have attempted to make. You have alleged involvement of FDR in a conspiracy theory that is alleged to have occurred after his death and posted a link that offers not a shred of evidence or even accusation of his involvement. At first you posted a link to nowhere and after being called out on it you offer a link about the topic in general, but does not back up your claim in any way. You use every dishonest trick in the book.

"That article does not address or support your claims about Roosevelt abandoning POW's at the end of WWII."

Let's see how effortlessly I can prove you to be a liar.


1. Were there 20,000-25,000 American troops held by our Russian "allies"???

2. Did Uncle Joe's minions refuse repatriation of 20,000-25,000 American troops?

3. Who was the President of the United States during the time the 20,000-25,000 American troops were taken prisoner by our Russian "allies"?

4. As the 20,000-25,000 American troops were not repatriated by our Russian "allies," would the term "abandoned" be accurate?

a·ban·doned
(ə-băn′dənd)
adj.
1. Deserted; forsaken.
abandoned - definition of abandoned by The Free Dictionary


In your face, boyyyyyyeeeeeee!

Your first two questions can only be answered with opinions. The figures for the alleged POW's come from POW's rescued from German POW camps by Russians as they overran the camps in eastern Germany. These POW's were repatriated by the Russians. Roosevelt was not alive as these things were happening. The 25,000 to 20,000 figure comes from discrepancies in the number of POW's being held at the various German camps holding American POW's. Tens of thousands of American POW's were not captured on the battlefield by Russian troops. The American's and Russian's were not battling each other. Other than being rescued and released out of the German camps, American's found their way into Russian control from emergency landing of aircraft, mostly all bombers who flew towards the Russian lines and crash landed behind them. Those men were usually accounted for and returned right away.

You third question has been answered. Truman was President while the German camps were being overrun and Americans being repatriated by the Russians. Any controversy about the numbers occurred during the Truman Presidency.

Your final question has been answered. You are promoting a conspiracy theory about the abandonment of troops after WWII to the Russian's. The official response from the US and Russian governments has been that this conspiracy theory is based on accounting era's. It is embellished by accounts that show the possibility of a few dozen English speaking soldiers left behind. One report indicated as many as a couple of hundred. This is usually thought to be American, Canadian and British combined. It is also speculated that these could have been willing stay behinds. Over 73,000 Americans were returned. It is not hard to imagine that some may have chosen to stay behind.

So there you go. Your claim that Roosevelt left behind 20,000 American troops in the hands of Stalin is 100% fraudulent misinformation embellished with some doses of dishonesty and topped with lies.

Can you imagine a real American President telling the communist war-lord 'those 20,000 American soldiers you've sentenced to your gulags.....well....forget about 'em! No prob!'


Roosevelt did.

And Truman paid no attention, either.


b. "Despite the total victory in Europe by Allied forces,thousands and thousands of US soldiers -- perhaps as many as 20,000 -- were never repatriated from prisoner of war (POW) camps, prisons and forced labor and concentration camps.


These American soldiers were being held in Nazi prison camps, along with other Allied POWs and some Nazi captives, when they were overrun by the Red Army. Thus, hundreds of thousands of Allied POWs who had been held by the Nazis, as well as millions of Western European citizens, or Displaced Persons, came under Red Army control. Indeed, this number increased because General Dwight D. Eisenhower, the Supreme Allied Commander in Europe, decided to stop the US and British drive eastward into Germany, in order to wait for Soviet forces driving West, so that US and Soviet forces could meet in Berlin.


The Soviet rationale for not repatriating Allied soldiers and citizens, however, was motivated by more complex and more repugnant reasons than credits along. In the memoirs of former Secretary of State under President Truman, James F. Byrnes, there appears an illuminating conversation the Secretary had with Molotov, the Soviet Commissar of Foreign Affairs. In September, 1945, several weeks after Japan's surrender, Byrnes recounted that while in London:


'Mr. Molotov came to see me, on instructions from Moscow... [Molotov] wanted to complain of the way in which the surrender terms [with Japan] were being carried out. He complained particularly about the way the Japanese Army was being demobilized. It was dangerous, he said, merely to disarm the Japanese and send them home; they should be held as prisoners of war. We should do what the Red Army was doing with the Japanese it had taken in Manchuria--make them work...No one can say accurately how many Japanese prisoners have been taken to the Soviet Union.


In mid-1947, the best guess was that approximately 500,000 were still there.'
http://darbysrangers.tripod.com/id67.htm


" The Soviet rationale for not repatriating Allied soldiers and citizens,...."



Roosevelt's attitude toward Stalin: give him anything.....anything....he wants.

BTW....Roosevelt's government acquiesced to Stalin's setting up of the UN, the embodiment of international socialism (communism) with a Stalin spy as its first Secretary General....
....and Russia with three votes to the United State's one.

Thank you, Franklin Delano Roosevelt.



Roosevelt's attitude toward Stalin: give him anything.....anything....he wants.


Anything.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You went back and changed the OP, deleting material when caught on it and then lying. From now on very OP like this is going to be (I think) moved to conspiracy on request.

You are morally insane, much as is Koshergrl.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You went back and changed the OP, deleting material when caught on it and then lying. From now on very OP like this is going to be (I think) moved to conspiracy on request.

You are morally insane, much as is Koshergrl.

"You went back and changed the OP, deleting material when caught on it and then lying."

It never happened, as proven by the fact that you claimed to ask the "admin" to check into same....
....and they found no such thing.

You lying sack of drivel....

....nailed you again!


Everybody is on to you, fakey.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Boy, now that was as one sided as one can get on the history of the period, of course it's brevity and lack of wit is aimed at demonizing one man...

It certainly is one point of view.

Who can explain FDR's actions with respect to his backing of Stalin's communists?

No genocide, no massacres, capture of American soldiers, no duplicity of any sort dimmed FDR's ardor for 'Uncle Joe."


Explain it?


Anyone?

 

[Liminal]

Boy, now that was as one sided as one can get on the history of the period, of course it's brevity and lack of wit is aimed at demonizing one man...

It certainly is one point of view.

Who can explain FDR's actions with respect to his backing of Stalin's communists?

No genocide, no massacres, capture of American soldiers, no duplicity of any sort dimmed FDR's ardor for 'Uncle Joe."


Explain it?


Anyone?

Well obviously it means that FDR was a Communist, a supporter of Stalin, and by extension, complicit in his crimes against humanity.
Does that about sum it up?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Boy, now that was as one sided as one can get on the history of the period, of course it's brevity and lack of wit is aimed at demonizing one man...

It certainly is one point of view.

Who can explain FDR's actions with respect to his backing of Stalin's communists?

No genocide, no massacres, capture of American soldiers, no duplicity of any sort dimmed FDR's ardor for 'Uncle Joe."


Explain it?


Anyone?

Well obviously it means that FDR was a Communist, a supporter of Stalin, and by extension, complicit in his crimes against humanity.
Does that about sum it up?

Who can explain FDR's actions with respect to his backing of Stalin's communists?


Not you, eh?