'Instead of Gaza' | How should we name the new city?

[toomuchtime_]

Rumours go that many fascists ended up in West German and Austrian governments and local governments alike.

Hamas should be prohibited and its military branch eliminated. But you can't get rid of 'their supporters' and 'like-minded groups'. IRA and resolution of the Troubles will be the path.

Polls show that nearly all of the Palestinians share Hamas' goal of destroying Israel, so the goal is to destroy Hama's ability to inflict Oct 7 type attacks on Israel, and that means continuing the war until all the leadership and all the weapons, including the vast tunnel network, are destroyed and managing security over Gaza so that they cannot be rearmed. This system has worked reasonably well in Judea and Samaria and there is no reason to think it won't work equally well in Gaza, and no one has been able to define any other approach to ending the Palestinians' ability to attack Israel.

 

[Failzero]

The Port of Jerusalem

 

[ESay]

Polls show that nearly all of the Palestinians share Hamas' goal of destroying Israel, so the goal is to destroy Hama's ability to inflict Oct 7 type attacks on Israel, and that means continuing the war until all the leadership and all the weapons, including the vast tunnel network, are destroyed and managing security over Gaza so that they cannot be rearmed. This system has worked reasonably well in Judea and Samaria and there is no reason to think it won't work equally well in Gaza, and no one has been able to define any other approach to ending the Palestinians' ability to attack Israel.

I have nothing against destroying Hamas' leadership and their weapons and their military infrastructure. But after a while, the Gaza Strip should become a sovereign nation. Politically transformed, demilitarized, but politically independent nation without all restrictions in moving of goods and people.

 

[Shusha]

I have nothing against destroying Hamas' leadership and their weapons and their military infrastructure. But after a while, the Gaza Strip should become a sovereign nation. Politically transformed, demilitarized, but politically independent nation without all restrictions in moving of goods and people.

Not necessarily disagreeing, but why should Gaza become a sovereign nation, in your opinion?

And could you clarify what you mean by "without all restrictions".

 

[Lisa558]

Not necessarily disagreeing, but why should Gaza become a sovereign nation, in your opinion?

And could you clarify what you mean by "without all restrictions".

I DO disagree. The majority of Palestinians have been raised to hate Jews and want to wipe them out to sea, and they support what the HAMAS monsters did on October 7th. Israel cannot take another risk by having such viciously antisemitic Arabs living immediately adjacent to them.

 

[Failzero]

I DO disagree. The majority of Palestinians have been raised to hate Jews and want to wipe them out to sea, and they support what the HAMAS monsters did on October 7th. Israel cannot take another risk by having such viciously antisemitic Arabs living immediately adjacent to them.

A Two or Three State Solution is Suicide for Israel ( The Tiny Jewish State )

 

[Shusha]

I DO disagree. The majority of Palestinians have been raised to hate Jews and want to wipe them out to sea, and they support what the HAMAS monsters did on October 7th. Israel cannot take another risk by having such viciously antisemitic Arabs living immediately adjacent to them.

Yes, but I believe ESay means after deradicalization and assuming goodwill and peaceful intentions.

 

[Lisa558]

Yes, but I believe ESay means after deradicalization and assuming goodwill and peaceful intentions.

That’s a big assumption. It will take at least a decade to deradicalize the Palestinians.

 

[Shusha]

That’s a big assumption. It will take at least a decade to deradicalize the Palestinians.

A decade? I was thinking more like two generations!

 

[Lisa558]

A decade? I was thinking more like two generations!

I’m being generous. A start would be 10 years without a rocket launched into Israel. Let’s see if they can go that long.

 

[rylah]

In Israel, the resettlement of Gaza is no longer a fringe idea

On the last Sunday in January, thousands of Israelis gathered in Jerusalem for a conference calling for the resettlement of the Gaza Strip.

In the absence of an official post-war policy, extremist ideas, once reserved for the fringes of Israeli society, are appearing to take over.

Israel’s war on Gaza is entering its fourth month yet Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has yet to propose a viable plan for when the guns fall silent.

“There's definitely an impact of the fact that there is a void in any kind of coherent policy towards the day after in Gaza that allows the more right-wing, far-right factions of the Israeli government to try to propose their Messianic vision,” Eyal Lurie-Pardes, Palestine and Palestinian-Israeli Affairs fellow at the Middle East Institute, told The New Arab.

"A void in any kind of coherent policy towards the day after in Gaza allows the more right-wing, far-right factions of the Israeli government to try to propose their Messianic vision"

Among the conference’s participants were 12 ministers from Netanyahu’s Likud party and 15 coalition members, suggesting to Dutch-Palestinian analyst, Mouin Rabbani, that the event was actually part of Israel’s post-war planning.

“I don't think that we can pretend this is not an attempt by those involved in post-war planning to try to set an agenda,” Rabbani said.

Beyond their attendance, Israeli lawmakers have promoted resettling Gaza in their wartime rhetoric.

“We cannot withdraw from any territory we are in in the Gaza Strip. Not only do I not rule out Jewish settlement there, I believe it is also an important thing,” Israeli National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir said at the beginning of the year.

Ben Gvir echoed this sentiment during his conference speech saying, “If we don't want another October 7, we need to go back home and control [Gaza]. We need to find a legal way to voluntarily emigrate [Palestinians]”.

Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, who’s also championed resettling Gaza, made similar remarks during his speech at the conference.

From kingmakers to decision-makers

While resettling Gaza hasn’t become the majority position among Israelis, surveys indicate the idea is gaining momentum.

A recent Israeli Channel 12 poll found 4 in 10 Israelis support reviving the settlements in Gaza. Israel evacuated around 9,000 Israeli settlers from Gaza in 2005 under the Disengagement Law - a decision then-Prime Minister Ariel Sharon made amid the violence of the Second Intifada, or Palestinian uprising, against Israeli occupation.

In a November Channel 12 poll, 32% responded to the question of what should happen to Gaza when the war is over with “Israel should remain permanently and renew Jewish settlement”.

Another poll conducted by Direct Polls in January shows the large amount of support resettling Gaza has among Israel’s right-wing and centre-right, with 86% of Religious Zionism and Otzma Yehudit (Jewish Power) - parties Smotrich and Ben Gvir lead - voters and 63% of Likud voters in favour of resettling the coastal enclave.

Even if a clear post-war plan was in place, Rabbani notes those holding significant power are merely weaponising Hamas’ atrocities to their advantage - allowing them to dictate policy.

“We're talking about people that already had an agenda prior to the 7th of October who saw the 7th of October as an opportunity to promote that agenda,” Rabbani said. “They see Netanyahu as a prime minister who is weak, indecisive, risk averse, desperate to stay in office, and entirely dependent on their consent to remain in office.”

The Israeli resettlement of Gaza is no longer a fringe idea

In-depth: In the absence of an official post-war plan, extremist ideas once reserved for the fringes of society are taking over policymaking in Israel.

www.newarab.com

 

[rylah]

And the folks in the US think banning thousands of Jews already prepared with their families to build new communities in Gaza, from moving abroad - is deterrence?

Both Obaidens are detached.

 

[Failzero]

And the folks in the US think banning thousands of Jews already prepared with their families to build new communities in Gaza, from moving abroad - is deterrence?

Sanctions & Divestment won’t stop Israel from Ending Hamas

 

[rylah]

Sanctions & Divestment won’t stop Israel from Ending Hamas

It's actually quiet the fuel for motivation.

Most significant victories were won during the US embargo.

 

[Failzero]

It's actually quiet the fuel for motivation.

Most significant victories were won during the US embargo.

The Israeli Populace is fully on board with Ending Hamas , they don’t even care about Judicial Reforms anymore

 

[ESay]

Not necessarily disagreeing, but why should Gaza become a sovereign nation, in your opinion?

And could you clarify what you mean by "without all restrictions".

Because a two-state solution has become a meaningless idea now. And I doubt that Israel would want to annex this territory and give the Arabs there equal rights.

Israel can keep their border shut. But it can't thwart movement of people and goods between Gaza and other countries.

 

[Shusha]

Because a two-state solution has become a meaningless idea now. And I doubt that Israel would want to annex this territory and give the Arabs there equal rights.

Israel can keep their border shut. But it can't thwart movement of people and goods between Gaza and other countries.

Would you also agree that Israel would no longer be responsible for Gaza and any movement of goods and people?

 

[Failzero]

Because a two-state solution has become a meaningless idea now. And I doubt that Israel would want to annex this territory and give the Arabs there equal rights.

Israel can keep their border shut. But it can't thwart movement of people and goods between Gaza and other countries.

Gaza or at least 1/3 of it could easily be a buffer Zone , and allowing Iranian or Turkish Weapons shipments into the rubble strewn remainder is a non starter

 

[toomuchtime_]

I have nothing against destroying Hamas' leadership and their weapons and their military infrastructure. But after a while, the Gaza Strip should become a sovereign nation. Politically transformed, demilitarized, but politically independent nation without all restrictions in moving of goods and people.

If the Palestinians ever decide to live in peace with Israel, that may become a possibility, but not until them, and I would challenge you to point out any indications the Palestinians have any interest in living in peace with Israel.

 

[rylah]

The Israeli Populace is fully on board with Ending Hamas , they don’t even care about Judicial Reforms anymore

There're many good people from all over the world joining Israel.
And it's going to be a much wider Judicial Reform than anyone
may have expected to agree upon. Our enemies won't like it.

We're way beyond only Hamas about the "day after",
this is a generational war, and Israel can only win.