Prove it (or at least provide some evidence)!

As usual, you are misstating the arguments so you can defeat your straw man.
1. Increasing the tax on "the rich" is a dodge to avoid reducing spending and controlling costs. Do we really need 56 different Federal Programs to teach Americans good money management? A little like Micheal Moore teaching diet planning, is it not?
2. Virtually every job in America.
3. Not jobs, wealth. Any government job is drain on the public treasure. Any private Sector job feeds the public treasure through taxation.
4. Shrinking government to a point of rationality is good for the whole. Do we really need 200 military bases on foreign soil?
5. I could not care less about who is marrying whom or if they are same or different gender. If you oppose gay sex, you should favor same sex marriage as the sex soon ends and the couple is soon not a practicing gay sex couple anymore. problem solved.
6. You oppose the First Amendment?

I choose that we increase the tax on the rich; you choose to increase the misery of the poor.

2. Baloney. Anyone who walks down Main St. knows that the myraid of small business are owned by individuals, businesses which don't pick up and move overseas.

3. More baloney. You're simply parroting right wing dogma. A government office building supports local business and is good for communities. Take a walk around a Federal Office building and count the restaurants, parking gargages, book stores, dry cleaners, office supply businesses, banks, notories, attorney's, etc. etc.

4. Nope, we don't need 200 military bases in foregin nations, only the neo-cons support such a policy.

5. Good for you, callous conservatvies and social conservatives don't support liberty and freedom for all.

6. I oppose Citizens United v. FEC; suggesting that means I don't support the first amendment freedom is absurd. Do you support human or animal sacrifice as a right guaranteed by the first amendment?

You have to understand their absurd mindset.

"The poor are poor because they chose to be."

Never mind that even if everyone filled every job we would still have some of the highest unemployment in history.


That is not the mindset of most.

I have run numerous businesses and have hired and fired folks. Some of them were poor. Most were poor because they couldn't meet the minimum requirements of employment like showing up and working once they arrived.

Is not showing up and not following the instructions of supervision a choice to be poor? I don't care. Is it a choice to be rich. I got this one. No, it's not. The opportunity is there. Opportunity is patient. It knocks and it waits. All you need to do is open the door.

If there is a poor guy, I don't care if he has made the choice to be poor or not. His motivations are absolutely unimportant to me. If I am an employer, all I care about is that he do his job and not create problems through incompetence or dereliction.

Why does it consume you what others think? The solution is not changing a paradigm, the solution is creating an environment in which the job creators create jobs.

Incidentally, though, I do know a guy who has made the conscious choice to be poor. Law degree, pretty wife and he volunteers for a cause that he believes in to the exclusion of the pursuit of what could be a very lucrative career. Choosing to be poor is not a bad thing or a thing that invites shame. My friend, priests around the world, couples who live on one income to raise kids with a stay-at-home Mom; These are choices made with pride and with forethought.

Being poor is not a thing of shame. Blaming others for your situation is a thing to be ashamed of. Grow a pair and get to work.
 
And still no proof, no evidence that the wealthiest 1% of our people are job creators. Gates, Jobs and Packard were broke at their onset. How many jobs are created by MLB players, NFL players, NBA players, NHL players, the PGA, top paid actors and performers, medical specialists (all of whom make much more than $250,000 per year and will for decades)?




When was the last time you had any contact with reality?
 
And still no proof, no evidence that the wealthiest 1% of our people are job creators. Gates, Jobs and Packard were broke at their onset. How many jobs are created by MLB players, NFL players, NBA players, NHL players, the PGA, top paid actors and performers, medical specialists (all of whom make much more than $250,000 per year and will for decades)?
You're saying they don't produce jobs.

Prove it.



Everyone mentioned very probably has a direct effect on the income of his agent. There are also the folks employed to arrange his housing transport and so on.

Various of these folks have started their own companies. Bjorn Borg, John McEnroe, Michael Jordan, Don Shula, and countless others have gained wealth in one pursuit and started businesses in other areas. Some start with the wealth and the vision and others only have the vision. Obviously, the vision is the key component.

Again, that the Libs around here and around the country don't know who the job creators are and why and how they do it is the basis for their complete and utter incompetence in even conceptualizing the problem.
 
Gosh, you're stupid.

They weren't wealthy when they started their businesses. Their businesses were successful, enabling them to employ more and more people. Along the way they got wealthy and their companies created even more jobs.

Try thinking for yourself for once. Don't rely on Wry to do it for you; he's no better at it than you are.
So, you admit that the non-wealthy start businesses and create jobs. You didn't mean to, but there it is.

And even if what he said was the complete truth, where did they get the money to create those jobs?

That's right, other people with jobs.

Jobs come from people with jobs.



You really don't have the first clue, do you. "The rich" are the targets of the drive to penalize those who achieve. Whether they were rich before they became rich is inconsequential. Being rich is the result, not a state of being.

Libs know that taxing the rich, a status defined by accumulated wealth, is a means to punish them; to get back at them. Why is this drive occurring? It is simply to punish them.

The rich are not happy about this and have determined, one by one, that the punishment is too great to justify the risk that accompanies the expansion of business. What is it that defines the expansion of business? More investment, more work to accomplish and therefore, more employees.

If "the rich" have assessed the current environment and determined that expansion is not the avenue to greater wealth, why would they want the headache?

Put 2 and 2 together. This is not rocket science. As a society, we have arranged to eliminate the reword for business expansion. Without the reward, why take the risk? There is no exotic conspiracy that forced all of the job creators to stop hiring.

Compare the number people enjoying a picnic during a hurricane to the number enjoying a picnic on a beautiful summer afternoon. If the conditions are wrong, some events won't happen.

Our government has caused a monsoon of economic conditions and now is decrying the reluctance of the business owners to stage a double header. Who are the ignorant ones in this little passion play?
 
And still no proof, no evidence that the wealthiest 1% of our people are job creators. Gates, Jobs and Packard were broke at their onset. How many jobs are created by MLB players, NFL players, NBA players, NHL players, the PGA, top paid actors and performers, medical specialists (all of whom make much more than $250,000 per year and will for decades)?
You're saying they don't produce jobs.

Prove it.



Everyone mentioned very probably has a direct effect on the income of his agent. There are also the folks employed to arrange his housing transport and so on.

Various of these folks have started their own companies. Bjorn Borg, John McEnroe, Michael Jordan, Don Shula, and countless others have gained wealth in one pursuit and started businesses in other areas. Some start with the wealth and the vision and others only have the vision. Obviously, the vision is the key component.

Again, that the Libs around here and around the country don't know who the job creators are and why and how they do it is the basis for their complete and utter incompetence in even conceptualizing the problem.

Nice try. There are thousands of pro athletes, entertainers, etc. who earn much more than the $250,000 (for argument sake, let's say over one million dollars) per year and do not produce/create jobs. Suggesting they do is absurd.

Agents were agents before hired by a specific athlete; accounts, personal trainers, etc. practiced their craft before being hired too. By your spin I too create jobs simply by paying my gas and electric bill, shopping at the grocery store or buying fuel.

Using your logic one might argue that raising the income of all Americans will create jobs. Yet it is the goal of the New Right to restrict salary and benefits of middle class union workers and raise income taxes on the working poor.
 
Still no evidence That the richest 1% create jobs. How sad that so many believe this to be true but cannot offer any proof that it is so. The power of propaganda exposed for all but the willfully ignorant to contemplate.
 
Wait just a minute there Slick! Are you sure they were all millionaires and billionaires when they started their companies??? :cuckoo:
Dang, CON$ are fools!

Gosh, you're stupid.

They weren't wealthy when they started their businesses. Their businesses were successful, enabling them to employ more and more people. Along the way they got wealthy and their companies created even more jobs.

Try thinking for yourself for once. Don't rely on Wry to do it for you; he's no better at it than you are.
So, you admit that the non-wealthy start businesses and create jobs. You didn't mean to, but there it is.
I've never denied it, so your ridiculous claim is just that.

Yet how many people did they employ before they were wealthy? How many people do they employ now?

Be honest with yourself for once.
 
Still no evidence That the richest 1% create jobs. How sad that so many believe this to be true but cannot offer any proof that it is so. The power of propaganda exposed for all but the willfully ignorant to contemplate.
You have yet to disprove it.

But you can't. All you have is leftist memes, greed, and envy.

Wry isn't rich! Boo hoo! Let's all ask the government to take money away from people who earned it and give it to him!
 
Well, we've seen a number of opinions on these items, but not a shread of evidence to prove these conclusions (below, 1 -4) are anything more than opinions based on premises which may or not be true, but are taken by the conservative proponents as universal truths.

1. Repealing the Bush Tax cuts and making Billionaires and Millionaires pay more in tax will kill jobs.

2, Millionaires and Billionaires create jobs (name them and describe the jobs)

3. Only the private sector creates jobs.

4. Shrinking government will jump start our economy (explain how adding thousands to the unemployment roles will benefit commerce, small business and the real estate market).

5. Gay & Lesbian Marriage threatens traditional marriage.

6. Citizens United v. FEC is good for America.



ARE YOU BLIND???


1) Millionaires and Billionaires create jobs (name them and describe the jobs)
Created millionaires..
Created taxable income...

A) Bill Gates - Microsoft.. Employees 92,000 (November 2011)
The ensuing rise of stock in the company's 1986 initial public offering (IPO) made an estimated three billionaires and 12,000 millionaires from Microsoft employees

B) Steve Jobs Apple As of September 2010[update], Apple had 46,600 full time employees and 2,800 temporary full time employees worldwide
When Apple went public, it generated more capital than any IPO since Ford Motor Company in 1956 and instantly created more millionaires (about 300) than any company in history


C) Bill Hewlett and Dave Packard Hewlett-Packard - Employees 324,600

All of the above are millionaire/billionaires that create JOBS!

Why don't we ask a better question; How many more than this number are they employing outside our country?

My guess would be many times the number shown here.

Stick to the QUESTION which was asked and ANSWERED!

THIS explains WHY jobs are OUTSOURCED Idiot.. and you are paying for it!

"Take grass cutting.
As defined by the current United Auto Worker contract negotiated with the "Big Five" (GM, Ford, Chrysler, and top parts makers Delphi and Visteon),
an auto "production worker" is a job description that covers anything from mowing grass to cleaning the toilets.

In the real world, these jobs would be outsourced to $8 an hour, no-benefit wage earners,

but on Planet Big Five, these jobs get the same wages as any auto line-worker: an average $26 an hour ($60,000 a year) plus benefits that bring the company's
total cost per worker to a staggering $65 an hour."
What is the average hourly wage of a UAW auto worker? - Yahoo! Answers

TO MOW GRASS $65 an hour versus outsourced --$ 8.00
DUH... doesn't take too much logic to say.. GEEZ why should we pay $65 when we can pay $8???
 
You're saying they don't produce jobs.

Prove it.



Everyone mentioned very probably has a direct effect on the income of his agent. There are also the folks employed to arrange his housing transport and so on.

Various of these folks have started their own companies. Bjorn Borg, John McEnroe, Michael Jordan, Don Shula, and countless others have gained wealth in one pursuit and started businesses in other areas. Some start with the wealth and the vision and others only have the vision. Obviously, the vision is the key component.

Again, that the Libs around here and around the country don't know who the job creators are and why and how they do it is the basis for their complete and utter incompetence in even conceptualizing the problem.

Nice try. There are thousands of pro athletes, entertainers, etc. who earn much more than the $250,000 (for argument sake, let's say over one million dollars) per year and do not produce/create jobs. Suggesting they do is absurd.

Agents were agents before hired by a specific athlete; accounts, personal trainers, etc. practiced their craft before being hired too. By your spin I too create jobs simply by paying my gas and electric bill, shopping at the grocery store or buying fuel.

Using your logic one might argue that raising the income of all Americans will create jobs. Yet it is the goal of the New Right to restrict salary and benefits of middle class union workers and raise income taxes on the working poor.



Not all rich people create jobs. Was that seriously your take away? However, a much higher percent of rich people create jobs than the percent of poor people that create jobs.

Have you ever been hired to do a job by a poor person?

People of passion are those who create jobs when their passions lead them to create businesses to pursue them. Look at any business and you will probably be able to trace it back to one person who had a vision. That person might have been George Westinghouse or Harvey Firestone or Thomas Edison. More than likely, though it was someone not as famous who worked 16 hours a day to build something.

Piss ants who think the wealthy happened into wealth without effort frankly make me a little angry.

They understand their limited capabilities and energy and dreams and apply those to all. The movers and the shakers simply operate at an enhanced level unknown to the rest of us. Punishing them for excelling is the answer of the Liberal to ability of the elite.

All of that aside, though, what makes you think that you have the right to the wealth of others when you have done nothing to earn it?
 
Still no evidence That the richest 1% create jobs. How sad that so many believe this to be true but cannot offer any proof that it is so. The power of propaganda exposed for all but the willfully ignorant to contemplate.



The best evidence is provided by your leaders.

How's that jobs program coming along? You know. The one that excludes and penalizes the private sector industry.
 
1. It is basic economics that the Govt taking money from investors slows economic investment. I believe this was in my basic Economics class years ago on my way to a BA in Economics.

2. Uh, attend the basic Economics course. It is called Econ 101.

3. No conservative claims the Govt can't create jobs, see all those overpaid, lazy people Obamination hired for various Departments/Agencies in DC the past 3 years. Hell, he's hired thousands for the IRS to spy on us.

4. A smaller Govt means it can operate on less tax revenue, so that money will stay in the private sector with less taxes, and will be used more efficiently than in DC where they waste trillions.

5. Uh, look at the sociology and psychology studies through the decades.

6. I would have to research this more to educate you.

1. Repealing the Bush Tax cuts and making Billionaires and Millionaires pay more in tax will kill jobs.

2, Millionaires and Billionaires create jobs (name them and describe the jobs)

3. Only the private sector creates jobs.

4. Shrinking government will jump start our economy (explain how adding thousands to the unemployment roles will benefit commerce, small business and the real estate market).

5. Gay & Lesbian Marriage threatens traditional marriage.

6. Citizens United v. FEC is good for America.
 
Romney with his MBA and JD from Harvard understands economics and Govt regulation better than you and Obamination.

Oh, throw in his business experience too that made him a millionaire. He didn't pander a long-winded bloward book to make his money like your hero.

How many positions does Romeny have on this subject?
 
1. Repealing the Bush Tax cuts and making Billionaires and Millionaires pay more in tax will kill jobs.

2, Millionaires and Billionaires create jobs (name them and describe the jobs)

3. Only the private sector creates jobs.

4. Shrinking government will jump start our economy (explain how adding thousands to the unemployment roles will benefit commerce, small business and the real estate market).

5. Gay & Lesbian Marriage threatens traditional marriage.

6. Citizens United v. FEC is good for America.

1. look at the economic situation in the 1920s and compare that to the 1930s. Less taxes vs. high taxes perfect example.
2. Name one job created by an entity that does not have capital. You can't.
3. It is true. Economics 101, the government can not create wealth or jobs, it simply removes jobs from one sector and takes it for itself, or redistributes it through subsidies and entitlements. Wealth is only created by the private sector, read an economics book for further clarification. Perhaps economics in one lesson will get you started.
4. So we take in 18% of GDP, we spend 20%. You would rather spend 26% and up taxes than lower spending and lower taxes which will actually encourage and provide an environment for people to create businesses and jobs? Do you have common sense? It sure doesn't seem so.
5. State issue.
6. Most would say liberty is a good thing to have, so yes. How could it not be? You want the government to have MORE power? Give me a break.

I'm not going to bother with all your shit. It's too much "shit".

The taxes in the 1950's under Republican Eisenhower were over 90% on the wealthiest Americans. Did they leave the country? No. It was during that time the economy exploded and government invested in a Highway System and NASA. You know. The NASA that owns thousands of patents, has brought in billions to the government, made thousands of Americans rich, yea THAT NASA.

And both the Highways and NASA came from Republicans. NOT ANYMORE. They have become the party of the "stupid".

And in the 20's and 30's, the real cause of the depression was the income disparity between the top 1% and everyone else.

Republicans want a "watcher" for every pregnant woman in the US to make sure she has that baby. Once it's born, their job is done. They "lose interest".

This is why the right wingers need to go to school. They should be so ashamed, but they don't have enough education to know any better.
 
Simpletons like rdean use up all their daily brain power getting up in the morning to cook TV dinners for lunch and dinner.

"Uh, the Govt created NASA.....so that justifies Obamination created all these other Govt jobs (Dept of Education, EPA, DoJ, etc) that are a waste of money."

The Govt needs to do things the states can't and shouldn't be doing like building rockets to go into space or defending the country with a military.
 
Gosh, you're stupid.

They weren't wealthy when they started their businesses. Their businesses were successful, enabling them to employ more and more people. Along the way they got wealthy and their companies created even more jobs.

Try thinking for yourself for once. Don't rely on Wry to do it for you; he's no better at it than you are.
So, you admit that the non-wealthy start businesses and create jobs. You didn't mean to, but there it is.
I've never denied it, so your ridiculous claim is just that.

Yet how many people did they employ before they were wealthy? How many people do they employ now?

Be honest with yourself for once.
They didn't employ more simply because they became wealthier!!! They employed more because the demand for their products increased and they needed more employees to meed the demand. If the demand for their products declines they will not employ more no matter how much their wealth increases from tax cuts.

Take your own advice for once in your life, hypocrite.
 
1. Repealing the Bush Tax cuts and making Billionaires and Millionaires pay more in tax will kill jobs.

2, Millionaires and Billionaires create jobs (name them and describe the jobs)

3. Only the private sector creates jobs.

4. Shrinking government will jump start our economy (explain how adding thousands to the unemployment roles will benefit commerce, small business and the real estate market).

5. Gay & Lesbian Marriage threatens traditional marriage.

6. Citizens United v. FEC is good for America.

1. look at the economic situation in the 1920s and compare that to the 1930s. Less taxes vs. high taxes perfect example.
2. Name one job created by an entity that does not have capital. You can't.
3. It is true. Economics 101, the government can not create wealth or jobs, it simply removes jobs from one sector and takes it for itself, or redistributes it through subsidies and entitlements. Wealth is only created by the private sector, read an economics book for further clarification. Perhaps economics in one lesson will get you started.
4. So we take in 18% of GDP, we spend 20%. You would rather spend 26% and up taxes than lower spending and lower taxes which will actually encourage and provide an environment for people to create businesses and jobs? Do you have common sense? It sure doesn't seem so.
5. State issue.
6. Most would say liberty is a good thing to have, so yes. How could it not be? You want the government to have MORE power? Give me a break.

I'm not going to bother with all your shit. It's too much "shit".

The taxes in the 1950's under Republican Eisenhower were over 90% on the wealthiest Americans. Did they leave the country? No. It was during that time the economy exploded and government invested in a Highway System and NASA. You know. The NASA that owns thousands of patents, has brought in billions to the government, made thousands of Americans rich, yea THAT NASA.

And both the Highways and NASA came from Republicans. NOT ANYMORE. They have become the party of the "stupid".

And in the 20's and 30's, the real cause of the depression was the income disparity between the top 1% and everyone else.

Republicans want a "watcher" for every pregnant woman in the US to make sure she has that baby. Once it's born, their job is done. They "lose interest".

This is why the right wingers need to go to school. They should be so ashamed, but they don't have enough education to know any better.



Every post you make sets up straw men that exist only in your delusions.

We would all be well served for you to explain why the current situation, the product of Democrat control since 2006, is so much better than the situation they assumed at that time.

Democrat policies are the cause. 9% to 16% unemployment is the effect.
 
Simpletons like rdean use up all their daily brain power getting up in the morning to cook TV dinners for lunch and dinner.

"Uh, the Govt created NASA.....so that justifies Obamination created all these other Govt jobs (Dept of Education, EPA, DoJ, etc) that are a waste of money."

The Govt needs to do things the states can't and shouldn't be doing like building rockets to go into space or defending the country with a military.



And just so there's no mistake, the interstate system was conceived as the infrastructure that would promote efficient deployment of forces in the event of an invasion.

NASA was in business to create rockets and these were the delivery system of the nuclear warheads.

The high tax rates allowed the deduction of various things that have not been allowed for decades. Interest of every type, depreciation of undeveloped land and so on. It was a different world. Just another of the straw men that Rdean likes to throw around.
 

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