Private Morality

[PoliticalChic]

Perhaps you know of this, as well:

Over three hundred years ago King Louis XIV of France asked Blaise Pascal, the great French philosopher of his day, to give him proof of the existence of miracles. Without a moment's hesitation, Pascal answered, "Why, the Jews, your Majesty-the Jews!”

Abraham was a prophet. He had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac. Hundreds of Israeli prophets came down the line of Isaac (among them Moses and Jesus). One prophet came down the line of Ishamel, that was Muhammad, the Arab prophet (peace be upon him and his family). The family of Abraham is therefore the Israelites and the Arabs. But the very last prophet, the Seal of the prophets is Muhammad (peace be upon him). He is the last of the prophets and the best of them.

How is it possible to be Muslim, yet not follow the dictates of the Holy Q'ran?

Qur'an (4:89) - "They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."

Qur'an (9:11-12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist."

Other verses that seem to support the many Hadith demanding death for apostates are Qur'an verses 2:217, 9:73-74, 88:21, 5:54, and 9:66.

Muhammad was at war againts Jews and pagans. It was a war, not peace. These verses came to him in the midst of the war, telling him how to fight. These are not verses for me or you or human beings in general.

As to your link of Islam and freedom of religion, you give a website of the enemies of Islam. You must really value them so much as to trust them to remain honest in waht they say, in spite of their great enmity. It's not easy to stick to the truth and leave aside one's personal feelings. Yet, you trust them.

Never mind. Islam had a kingdom, the Islamic kingdom. The Ottoman kingdom was the final form of the Islamic kingdom. That Ottoman empire was the longest lasting dynasty in the history of mankind (624 years). The law of the whole empire was Islam. When all Muslims in the world are united under one king who rules by the law of Islam, and he is backed up by the heavenly saints here on earth who inherit from Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family); then Islamic law becomes relevant. Until them, Islamic law makes no sense and it is wrong. But if the Islamic law is rightly implemented, Islamic traditional knowledge does stipulate that one who leaves Islam after accepting it should be killed. Not only one who leaves Islam, but even one who decides to give up praying.

1. "Muhammad was at war againts Jews and pagans."
Every call to murder in the Koran is still in effect.
Today.
a. "These are not verses for me or you or human beings in general."
You are lying....a prime example of taqiyya.


2. Jews had lived in Iraq for some 2600 years, but the origin of this mass Muslim movement was in 627. At that time, Mohammed, defending Medina, judged the Jewish tribe to be guilty of aiding the Meccan attackers, and oversaw such acts as the beheading of 900 captives of the Banu Qurayzah tribe, he watched the bodies thrown into a pit.(… in his 1895 biography of Muhammad ("Mahomet and Islam", London, 1895, p. 151), which relied entirely on the original Muslim sources, the scholar Sir William Muir observed:

"The massacre of the Banu Coreiza was a barbarous deed which cannot be justified by any reason of political necessity the indiscriminate slaughter of the whole tribe cannot be recognized otherwise than as an act of monstrous cruelty?")
http://www.andrewbostom.org/loj//content/view/38/27/

a. The extermination of the Jews of Medina represents the iconic moment in Islam, just as the Sermon on the Mount is the iconic moment of Christianity, or the parting of the Red Sea is for the Jews.
Edwin Black, “ The Farhud: The Roots of the Arab-Nazi Alliance in the Holocaust.”


b. “Our hatred for the Jews dates from God's condemnation of them for their persecution and rejection of Isa (Jesus) and their subsequent rejection of His chosen Prophet." He added "that for a Muslim to kill a Jew, or for him to be killed by a Jew ensures him an immediate entry into Heaven and into the august presence of God Almighty." November 23, 1937, Saudi Arabia's King Ibn Saud told British Colonel H.R.P. Dickson. Official British document, Foreign Office File No. 371/20822 E 7201/22/31; Elie Kedourie, Islam in the Modern World, (London: Mansell, 1980), pp. 69-72.

 

[Jroc]

Perhaps you know of this, as well:

Over three hundred years ago King Louis XIV of France asked Blaise Pascal, the great French philosopher of his day, to give him proof of the existence of miracles. Without a moment's hesitation, Pascal answered, "Why, the Jews, your Majesty-the Jews!”

Abraham was a prophet. He had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac. Hundreds of Israeli prophets came down the line of Isaac (among them Moses and Jesus). One prophet came down the line of Ishamel, that was Muhammad, the Arab prophet (peace be upon him and his family). The family of Abraham is therefore the Israelites and the Arabs. But the very last prophet, the Seal of the prophets is Muhammad (peace be upon him). He is the last of the prophets and the best of them.

How is it possible to be Muslim, yet not follow the dictates of the Holy Q'ran?

Qur'an (4:89) - "They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."

Qur'an (9:11-12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist."

Other verses that seem to support the many Hadith demanding death for apostates are Qur'an verses 2:217, 9:73-74, 88:21, 5:54, and 9:66.

Muhammad was at war againts Jews and pagans. It was a war, not peace. These verses came to him in the midst of the war, telling him how to fight. These are not verses for me or you or human beings in general.

As to your link of Islam and freedom of religion, you give a website of the enemies of Islam. You must really value them so much as to trust them to remain honest in waht they say, in spite of their great enmity. It's not easy to stick to the truth and leave aside one's personal feelings. Yet, you trust them.

Never mind. Islam had a kingdom, the Islamic kingdom. The Ottoman kingdom was the final form of the Islamic kingdom. That Ottoman empire was the longest lasting dynasty in the history of mankind (624 years). The law of the whole empire was Islam. When all Muslims in the world are united under one king who rules by the law of Islam, and he is backed up by the heavenly saints here on earth who inherit from Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family); then Islamic law becomes relevant. Until them, Islamic law makes no sense and it is wrong. But if the Islamic law is rightly implemented, Islamic traditional knowledge does stipulate that one who leaves Islam after accepting it should be killed. Not only one who leaves Islam, but even one who decides to give up praying.

1. "Muhammad was at war againts Jews and pagans."
Every call to murder in the Koran is still in effect.
Today.
a. "These are not verses for me or you or human beings in general."
You are lying....a prime example of taqiyya.


2. Jews had lived in Iraq for some 2600 years, but the origin of this mass Muslim movement was in 627. At that time, Mohammed, defending Medina, judged the Jewish tribe to be guilty of aiding the Meccan attackers, and oversaw such acts as the beheading of 900 captives of the Banu Qurayzah tribe, he watched the bodies thrown into a pit.(… in his 1895 biography of Muhammad ("Mahomet and Islam", London, 1895, p. 151), which relied entirely on the original Muslim sources, the scholar Sir William Muir observed:

"The massacre of the Banu Coreiza was a barbarous deed which cannot be justified by any reason of political necessity the indiscriminate slaughter of the whole tribe cannot be recognized otherwise than as an act of monstrous cruelty?")
http://www.andrewbostom.org/loj//content/view/38/27/

a. The extermination of the Jews of Medina represents the iconic moment in Islam, just as the Sermon on the Mount is the iconic moment of Christianity, or the parting of the Red Sea is for the Jews.
Edwin Black, “ The Farhud: The Roots of the Arab-Nazi Alliance in the Holocaust.”


b. “Our hatred for the Jews dates from God's condemnation of them for their persecution and rejection of Isa (Jesus) and their subsequent rejection of His chosen Prophet." He added "that for a Muslim to kill a Jew, or for him to be killed by a Jew ensures him an immediate entry into Heaven and into the august presence of God Almighty." November 23, 1937, Saudi Arabia's King Ibn Saud told British Colonel H.R.P. Dickson. Official British document, Foreign Office File No. 371/20822 E 7201/22/31; Elie Kedourie, Islam in the Modern World, (London: Mansell, 1980), pp. 69-72.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Does your understanding of the term "morality" include killing those who don't agree with your version of religion?

I replied in my previous posts. Again, the answer is no, of course.

I understand. But the Bible doesn't pull any punches. It shows the great moments and the warts of the saints. There's but one perfect Being and He counts our obedience (the evidence of faith) as righteousness despite our moments of fear and failure. Sadly, Lots last recorded moments in the Bible were not among his finest.

In Islam, we know that the 124 000 prophets were all perfect human beings. They do not do bad things, only most noble things. If it happens that they do something strange (like Jonas who, when he got angry at his people decided to leave them) it is on purpose, for the sake of teaching. Prophets are teachers indeed. In any case, Lot (peace on him) never did these things. Look well at those who wrote the Bible, it has nothing to do with what Jesus said.

Does your understanding of the term "morality" include killing those who don't agree with your version of religion?
"I replied in my previous posts. Again, the answer is no, of course."

Thank you.

How is it possible to be Muslim, yet not follow the dictates of the Holy Q'ran?

Qur'an (4:89) - "They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."

Qur'an (9:11-12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist."

Other verses that seem to support the many Hadith demanding death for apostates are Qur'an verses 2:217, 9:73-74, 88:21, 5:54, and 9:66.

Islam and Freedom of Religion

2 Chronicles 15:13 (1611 King James Bible)
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That whosoeuer would not seeke the Lord God of Israel, should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

Time and again I see the posts of the rabid and the indoctrinated....you...yet I am still amazed that there are morons who can look at the world, see that two of the great religions have reformed, and moved away from acceptance of the quotes you post...

...yet one great religion continues to build a bridge to the seventh century and advances barbarism.....

...yet you squeeze your eyes shut and deny same.


Even if only a small portion of Muslims accept the homicidal demands of the religion, and it is a sizable number, even 1% is over 15 million savages.


40% of Indonesians approve of violence in defense of Islam.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailweekly.asp?fileid=20060728.@03

Pew Global: 68% of Palestinian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
43% of Nigerian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
38% of Lebanese Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
15% of Egyptian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
13% of Indonesian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
12% of Jordanian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
7% of Muslim Israelis say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
Support for Suicide Bombings and Bin Laden Still High Among Some Muslims CNS News(Pew Global Attitudes Project September, 2009)

 

[JoeB131]

ANd yet you think living RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THESE PEOPLE is a great idea.

Frankly, if someone had a history of killing me and expressing a desire for my demise, living right in the middle of them flipping them the bird would be like the last place I'd want to be.

 

[JoeB131]

Time and again I see the posts of the rabid and the indoctrinated....you...yet I am still amazed that there are morons who can look at the world, see that two of the great religions have reformed, and moved away from acceptance of the quotes you post...

...yet one great religion continues to build a bridge to the seventh century and advances barbarism.....

Uh, sorry, all Religions are relics of barbarism, and it will be a truly great day when Religion is gotten rid of.

There's far more blood on the hands of Christianity as Islam, and for Judaism, all they've lacked is sufficient numbers to do any real damage.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Perhaps you know of this, as well:

Over three hundred years ago King Louis XIV of France asked Blaise Pascal, the great French philosopher of his day, to give him proof of the existence of miracles. Without a moment's hesitation, Pascal answered, "Why, the Jews, your Majesty-the Jews!”

Abraham was a prophet. He had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac. Hundreds of Israeli prophets came down the line of Isaac (among them Moses and Jesus). One prophet came down the line of Ishamel, that was Muhammad, the Arab prophet (peace be upon him and his family). The family of Abraham is therefore the Israelites and the Arabs. But the very last prophet, the Seal of the prophets is Muhammad (peace be upon him). He is the last of the prophets and the best of them.

How is it possible to be Muslim, yet not follow the dictates of the Holy Q'ran?

Qur'an (4:89) - "They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."

Qur'an (9:11-12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist."

Other verses that seem to support the many Hadith demanding death for apostates are Qur'an verses 2:217, 9:73-74, 88:21, 5:54, and 9:66.

Muhammad was at war againts Jews and pagans. It was a war, not peace. These verses came to him in the midst of the war, telling him how to fight. These are not verses for me or you or human beings in general.

As to your link of Islam and freedom of religion, you give a website of the enemies of Islam. You must really value them so much as to trust them to remain honest in waht they say, in spite of their great enmity. It's not easy to stick to the truth and leave aside one's personal feelings. Yet, you trust them.

Never mind. Islam had a kingdom, the Islamic kingdom. The Ottoman kingdom was the final form of the Islamic kingdom. That Ottoman empire was the longest lasting dynasty in the history of mankind (624 years). The law of the whole empire was Islam. When all Muslims in the world are united under one king who rules by the law of Islam, and he is backed up by the heavenly saints here on earth who inherit from Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family); then Islamic law becomes relevant. Until them, Islamic law makes no sense and it is wrong. But if the Islamic law is rightly implemented, Islamic traditional knowledge does stipulate that one who leaves Islam after accepting it should be killed. Not only one who leaves Islam, but even one who decides to give up praying.

"Hundreds of Israeli prophets came down the line of Isaac (among them Moses and Jesus)."

Surely you know that the Jesus of the Koran is not the same Jesus of the New Testament.

 

[Jroc]

Perhaps you know of this, as well:

Over three hundred years ago King Louis XIV of France asked Blaise Pascal, the great French philosopher of his day, to give him proof of the existence of miracles. Without a moment's hesitation, Pascal answered, "Why, the Jews, your Majesty-the Jews!”

Abraham was a prophet. He had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac. Hundreds of Israeli prophets came down the line of Isaac (among them Moses and Jesus). One prophet came down the line of Ishamel, that was Muhammad, the Arab prophet (peace be upon him and his family). The family of Abraham is therefore the Israelites and the Arabs. But the very last prophet, the Seal of the prophets is Muhammad (peace be upon him). He is the last of the prophets and the best of them.

How is it possible to be Muslim, yet not follow the dictates of the Holy Q'ran?

Qur'an (4:89) - "They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."

Qur'an (9:11-12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist."

Other verses that seem to support the many Hadith demanding death for apostates are Qur'an verses 2:217, 9:73-74, 88:21, 5:54, and 9:66.

Muhammad was at war againts Jews and pagans. It was a war, not peace. These verses came to him in the midst of the war, telling him how to fight. These are not verses for me or you or human beings in general.

As to your link of Islam and freedom of religion, you give a website of the enemies of Islam. You must really value them so much as to trust them to remain honest in waht they say, in spite of their great enmity. It's not easy to stick to the truth and leave aside one's personal feelings. Yet, you trust them.

Never mind. Islam had a kingdom, the Islamic kingdom. The Ottoman kingdom was the final form of the Islamic kingdom. That Ottoman empire was the longest lasting dynasty in the history of mankind (624 years). The law of the whole empire was Islam. When all Muslims in the world are united under one king who rules by the law of Islam, and he is backed up by the heavenly saints here on earth who inherit from Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family); then Islamic law becomes relevant. Until them, Islamic law makes no sense and it is wrong. But if the Islamic law is rightly implemented, Islamic traditional knowledge does stipulate that one who leaves Islam after accepting it should be killed. Not only one who leaves Islam, but even one who decides to give up praying.

"Hundreds of Israeli prophets came down the line of Isaac (among them Moses and Jesus)."

Surely you know that the Jesus of the Koran is not the same Jesus of the New Testament.

I've talked with a lot of muslims who change the binding of Issac to the binding of Ishmael...Go figure

 

[JoeB131]

I've talked with a lot of muslims who change the binding of Issac to the binding of Ishmael...Go figure

Yeah. HOw dare they change your totally made up story.

Oh, wait, you think that shit really happened, don't you?

 

[Toro]

While the Act was enacted for the noble purpose of insuring that poor patients received the same care that more wealthy and insured patients can receive, the emergency room system of universal health care has proven to be extremely costly."

Which again, has nothing to do with the context I was bringing up, that health insurance costs so much because we failed to enact SINGLE PAYER UNIVERSAL COVERAGE to get costs under control.

Which you tried to pass off as "It's okay that your wages have gone down since 1980, becuase your kind and benevloent employer is paying more money for crappier health insurance."

Liar.

The quote I provided was from another Leftist.....HuffPo

Universal health care is generally thought of as providing a sufficient level health care to all citizens that doesn't entail financial hardship or ruin for anyone. If you can go bankrupt because of your health care bills, that is generally not thought of as universal health care.

The US system is generally not thought of as a universal health care system.

The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data.'

There is no one in the United States who is denied healthcare.
And that is what 'universal' means.....unless you believe that Miss Universe is from another planet.

Semantics.

OK - The United States does not have a "Universal Health Care System That Won't Bankrupt Its Citizens"

Happy now?

Where else in the Developed World are medical bills the number one cause of personal bankruptcy?

Medical Bills Are the Biggest Cause of US Bankruptcies Study

Jesus would be for single payer.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Which again, has nothing to do with the context I was bringing up, that health insurance costs so much because we failed to enact SINGLE PAYER UNIVERSAL COVERAGE to get costs under control.

Which you tried to pass off as "It's okay that your wages have gone down since 1980, becuase your kind and benevloent employer is paying more money for crappier health insurance."

Liar.

The quote I provided was from another Leftist.....HuffPo

Universal health care is generally thought of as providing a sufficient level health care to all citizens that doesn't entail financial hardship or ruin for anyone. If you can go bankrupt because of your health care bills, that is generally not thought of as universal health care.

The US system is generally not thought of as a universal health care system.

The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data.'

There is no one in the United States who is denied healthcare.
And that is what 'universal' means.....unless you believe that Miss Universe is from another planet.

Semantics.

OK - The United States does not have a "Universal Health Care System That Won't Bankrupt Its Citizens"

Happy now?

Where else in the Developed World are medical bills the number one cause of personal bankruptcy?

Medical Bills Are the Biggest Cause of US Bankruptcies Study

Jesus would be for single payer.

Your sidestepping the point.

Prior to ObamaCare, this nation had the finest healthcare in the world.


"How to judge healthcare:

life expectancy: many people die for reasons that can’t be controlled the medical profession, such as auto accidents, murder, etc., and once you factor out care crashes and homicides, the US ranks number one in worldwide life expectancy!

“One often-heard argument, voiced by the New York Times' Paul Krugman and others, is that America lags behind other countries in crude health outcomes. But such outcomes reflect a mosaic of factors, such as diet, lifestyle, drug use and cultural values. It pains me as a doctor to say this, but health care is just one factor in health.

In The Business of Health, Robert Ohsfeldt and John Schneider factor out intentional and unintentional injuries from life-expectancy statistics and find that Americans who don't die in car crashes or homicides outlive people in any other Western country.

And if we measure a health care system by how well it serves its sick citizens, American medicine excels."
http://www.davepetno.com/blog/index.php?itemid=30

 

[Muslim75]

You are totally clueless about the fascistic nature of Islamism. Your dogma requires you to acknowledge that Moslems are superior to infidels purely for the fact that they are Moslems. There is a word for that. It is called fascism.

In Islam, one who pleases God Almighty is far superior than one who displeases God Almighty. A fascist like Hitler is someone who belives his race is superior to other races. In Islam, all human beings are born pure.

We need to understand that Moslems blame their every pratfall, ineptitude and self-inflicted calamity on Western interference and hostility to Islam. Western ascendency is an injurious point of humiliation to the Muslim psyche and is probably equal to the 800 year-old grudge of Europe's defensive Crusades as inspiration for Islam's hatred of the West and of the hated non-Moslems (outside of the Koran and sunnah).

In Islam, we believe we should have the upper hand, because God Almighty has the upper hand at all times and we try to be by His side. If we don't have the upper hand, we feel we failed to stick to God Almighty.

But Islam does have the upper hand. It's not the wealth or the military power (and Israel is a great military power) that makes the superiority. When God wants to destroy you, He only needs to say "be" and it will be. Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family) faced great hostility when he said "I am a prophet". Not only him but all those who believed in him faced the same. Today, Islam is the fastest growing religion, the second religion by the number of its adepts (about 1.2 billion I believe), Indonesia and Pakistan are completely Muslim populated countries and make for almost 1 billion people, Palestine is getting credit litlle by litlle with countries like Sweden, France, and one South American country recognizing it, Jalal Al Din Rumi is probably the greatest mystic poet in the history of mankind and is widely read in the West, Arabs are becoming prosperous little by little with rich countries like Saudi Arabia, Qatar or the United Arab Emirates (and people generally earn more there than in the US or China or Japan), and the Arab people represent a goodly body in this planet living in areas of choice in the Middle east and North Africa. So Islam does have the upper hand.

1924 was a watershed as it marked the inevitable clash of Islam's unreformed seventh century doctrine and the modern, civilized world led by the West. It was the catalyst of the more modern jihad revival which has been gathering momentum and strength ever since. The Muslim Brotherhood was established in response to the end of the Caliphate, and the now thankfully dead Osama bin Laden, et al. have whined about the humiliation and suffering of Moslems in the 80 years since, and have used this date to help justify the mass murder of non-Moslems in their rambling jihad screeds.

The end of the Ottoman empire was a heavenly matter. God Almighty wanted Sultan (Imam Mahdi) to take over. That is why Sultan has been here on earth as the king of mankind, owning the land and the people for almost 150 years.

If you had any true spiritual knowledge it would be evident that this practice is barbaric, and unacceptable to any rational human being.

What is barbaric is billions of Christians the world over saying that Jesus said that the Almighty God had a son; while Jesus would abhorre to say such a thing, which, in Islam is considered an absurdity. You keep saying this and Jesus the prophet keeps saying nothing, and you keep saying this. Saying that this is barbarism would be a strong euphemism.

1. "Muhammad was at war againts Jews and pagans."
Every call to murder in the Koran is still in effect.
Today.
a. "These are not verses for me or you or human beings in general."

The verses of the Qur'an apply for all ages, they don't change. But what the verse means in terms of obligations and forbiddens depend on the context, the time and the age. It is forbidden in Islam to read the Qur'an or the Hadiths and to understand them as you read them. No. There are saints of Islam who come on earth at every century. They are the ones who are supposed to tell the Muslims how to understand a specific verse according to the time being and the context; because they are in touch with God Almighty and His prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family), and the saints of Islam before them and the saints of Islam after them. But the overwhelming majority and the almost totality of Muslims don't like to listen to them.

It's interesting, you sound like most Muslims when you tell me that the verses you mentioned are for all human beings. Again, those were verses for Muhammad only (peace be upon him and his family). He was the king of the Muslim Nation and he was at war; so these verses came to tell him how to fight.

2. Jews had lived in Iraq for some 2600 years, but the origin of this mass Muslim movement was in 627. At that time, Mohammed, defending Medina, judged the Jewish tribe to be guilty of aiding the Meccan attackers, and oversaw such acts as the beheading of 900 captives of the Banu Qurayzah tribe, he watched the bodies thrown into a pit.(… in his 1895 biography of Muhammad ("Mahomet and Islam", London, 1895, p. 151), which relied entirely on the original Muslim sources, the scholar Sir William Muir observed:

"The massacre of the Banu Coreiza was a barbarous deed which cannot be justified by any reason of political necessity the indiscriminate slaughter of the whole tribe cannot be recognized otherwise than as an act of monstrous cruelty?")
http://www.andrewbostom.org/loj//content/view/38/27/

I perfectly understand this sentence to mass execution. All the males of that Jewish tribe were put to death. It was because they made a pact with Muhammad, and at the worst moment possible, they retracted and betrayed him, so that Islam fell into a grave danger because of them. Was it not for the military genius of Salman, Islam would have been wiped out from the earth. So this sentence was decided by Sad, that all the males of this Jewish tribe should be killed, and so they were executed by Ali. Know that Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family) married one woman from that tribe, Safiyya. She is known as the Mother of the Believers (like all wives of Muhammad) and is considered in Islam a perfect, holy and heavenly woman.[/QUOTE]

a. The extermination of the Jews of Medina represents the iconic moment in Islam, just as the Sermon on the Mount is the iconic moment of Christianity, or the parting of the Red Sea is for the Jews.
Edwin Black, “ The Farhud: The Roots of the Arab-Nazi Alliance in the Holocaust.”

The primordial moment in Islam was the battle of Badr, 15 or 16 years after Muhammad received the first revelation. 313 Muslims were face to face with 1000 unbelievers. Islam was going to be wiped out once and for all. But the Muslims advanced, they walked over dead bodies. God Almighty had helped Muhammad with thousands of angels, among whom Gabriel (peace on him). That is the victory of Islam that Muslims cherish up to this day in 2014.

b. “Our hatred for the Jews dates from God's condemnation of them for their persecution and rejection of Isa (Jesus) and their subsequent rejection of His chosen Prophet." He added "that for a Muslim to kill a Jew, or for him to be killed by a Jew ensures him an immediate entry into Heaven and into the august presence of God Almighty." November 23, 1937, Saudi Arabia's King Ibn Saud told British Colonel H.R.P. Dickson. Official British document, Foreign Office File No. 371/20822 E 7201/22/31; Elie Kedourie, Islam in the Modern World, (London: Mansell, 1980), pp. 69-72.

What does it matter what the king of Saudi Arabia says ? Everyone is free to say what he thinks, it does not make it true.

see that two of the great religions have reformed, and moved away from acceptance of the quotes you post...

A great religion is not one that says about someone as respectworthy as Jesus that he said things he never said, namely that the Almighty god had a son. Fear Jesus, and fear all prophets, they do take action all the time against anyone who offends them or their Lord Almighty.

A great religion does not say about the the most truthful of men, known even before he received revelation as the truthful and the trutworthy, that he is a liar, when he received the word of God Almighty as a revelation to his heart, through the intermediary of Gabriel. The Muslims today sing this revelation of God to the heart of Muhammad, the Muslims today and at all ages since the 7th century have been singing the Holy Qur'an.

...yet one great religion continues to build a bridge to the seventh century and advances barbarism.....

Barbarism is to ignore the words of the Lord who created you out of nothing and loves you. By "words of the Lord", I mean the Qur'an.

Even if only a small portion of Muslims accept the homicidal demands of the religion, and it is a sizable number, even 1% is over 15 million savages.

It's not surprising that they do so. There is nothing more natural than to cheat the divine message and to steal from and take advantage of the endless treasures of Islam.

I've talked with a lot of muslims who change the binding of Issac to the binding of Ishmael...Go figure

In Islam it is believed that the Bible is not authentic, and that also it is a book full of man-made intentional forgeries and falsifications. The story of the sacrifice involved Ishmael, not Isaac.

 

[Hollie]

The end of the Ottoman empire was a heavenly matter. God Almighty wanted Sultan (Imam Mahdi) to take over. That is why Sultan has been here on earth as the king of mankind, owning the land and the people for almost 150 years.

If you study islam’s history of war, conquest, rapine and colonialism, you will find that islam only coexisted with other religions when those religions were subordinate to Islamism.

Islamic doctrine entails the striving in the way of muhammud and allah's religion, incorporating an armed and violent conflict against the infidel so as to establish muhammud and Allah's religion everywhere, as well as a spiritual conflict, within ones self—is a holy, central and an obligatory duty in Islamic doctrine. The core precept of Islamic dogma is to make muhammud and Allah's religion reign supreme over all men, and the fact is, that just won't happen peacefully. The manifestation of this doctrine is exhibited in the Muslim revulsion of the infidel and the apostate. It's why we see the blatant double standards that so define Islam; the demands for exclusive rights and privileges with the attendant refusal to extend the same rights and privileges to the hated infidel. It's why we see playwrights killed in the streets of their homeland, Churches burned, Dhimmi's subjected to limited rights and the other atrocities that are endured by the non-Moslem in Moslem Lands™.

 

[JoeB131]

Your sidestepping the point.

Prior to ObamaCare, this nation had the finest healthcare in the world.

No, we didn't.

We had the highest rate of infant mortality in the industrialized world, the lowest life expectency, we spend 17% of GDP on health care (while most other countries spend 8-11% and get far better results) and 1 out of four Americans had either no health insurance or inadequate health insurance.

And don't give me any shit about how murder brings the rate down.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Your sidestepping the point.

Prior to ObamaCare, this nation had the finest healthcare in the world.

No, we didn't.

We had the highest rate of infant mortality in the industrialized world, the lowest life expectency, we spend 17% of GDP on health care (while most other countries spend 8-11% and get far better results) and 1 out of four Americans had either no health insurance or inadequate health insurance.

And don't give me any shit about how murder brings the rate down.

Exactly correct.

If US healthcare is so great, why is medical tourism so prevalent?

Why do the rabid RWs choose to ignore that?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Your sidestepping the point.

Prior to ObamaCare, this nation had the finest healthcare in the world.

No, we didn't.

We had the highest rate of infant mortality in the industrialized world, the lowest life expectency, we spend 17% of GDP on health care (while most other countries spend 8-11% and get far better results) and 1 out of four Americans had either no health insurance or inadequate health insurance.

And don't give me any shit about how murder brings the rate down.

Liar.

 

[JoeB131]

Obviously, you've never gone through a medical crisis, or you wouldn't talk the smack you are talking.

Again, PC is what happens when you take someone and lock her in the house all day and make her listen to Hate Radio.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Obviously, you've never gone through a medical crisis, or you wouldn't talk the smack you are talking.

Again, PC is what happens when you take someone and lock her in the house all day and make her listen to Hate Radio.

Glad didn't deny that you are a liar.

 

[JoeB131]

Obviously, you've never gone through a medical crisis, or you wouldn't talk the smack you are talking.

Again, PC is what happens when you take someone and lock her in the house all day and make her listen to Hate Radio.

Glad didn't deny that you are a liar.

What would be the point, Little Girl.

Get back to me when you've actually lived something of life, then you can talk to me rather than regurgitating any shit you've gotten from Hate Radio as fact.

Live through a medical crisis, and you will find out what a sack of shit our medical system is.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Obviously, you've never gone through a medical crisis, or you wouldn't talk the smack you are talking.

Again, PC is what happens when you take someone and lock her in the house all day and make her listen to Hate Radio.

Glad didn't deny that you are a liar.

What would be the point, Little Girl.

Get back to me when you've actually lived something of life, then you can talk to me rather than regurgitating any shit you've gotten from Hate Radio as fact.

Live through a medical crisis, and you will find out what a sack of shit our medical system is.

"Get back to me blah blah blah..."

Why would anyone....ever.....get back to you???

 

[JoeB131]

Why would anyone....ever.....get back to you???

Well, your right. After you've had your life turned upside down fighting with an insurance company AFTER you had paid the premiums, you probably wouldn't get back to me. You'd probably sheepishly just stop talking smack.