President Obama's Push Towards Socialism

[logical4u]

Obama is sending the country towards a Greek-style debt. Twenty-five percent of Greek businesses have closed since 2009. The unemployment rate is over twenty percent. The suicide rate is increasing. If you want to follow Greece (with no one to bail us out), vote for Obama.

 

[idb]

Obama is sending the country towards a Greek-style debt. Twenty-five percent of Greek businesses have closed since 2009. The unemployment rate is over twenty percent. The suicide rate is increasing. If you want to follow Greece (with no one to bail us out), vote for Obama.

...and they're the cradle of Democracy.
Maybe a democratic political system isn't the best long-term idea.
Socialism might be the way to go after all...he's a smart cookie that Obama - he knows what's best.

 

[Greenbeard]

Obama's "health insurance exchanges" bare no resemblance to what the Heritage Foundation proposes.

Of course they do. The salient point here is that exchanges are a market-oriented solution and they rely entirely on the private sector to provide the insurance product (there are no public plan offerings in the exchanges).

The precise details of their design will vary from state to state, as their design and operation is a state prerogative. Deloitte did a nice summary of what general design philosophies different states may opt for as they build exchanges:

What different exchange models do you think will emerge in the states?

The ACA prescribes basic functions that all exchanges must be able to perform but gives the states some design flexibility. A host of factors are expected to impact the eventual design and functionality of the operating model of a given state exchange. The two main factors are:

• Market Environment – Some states manage markets through regulation, while others employ a free-market approach.
• Exchange Capabilities – Some states will take a de minimis approach, while others will opt to build robust operational capabilities as they bring these exchanges online.

We anticipate that four health insurance exchange operating models will emerge, each with distinct characteristics: Information Aggregator, Retail-oriented Exchange, Guided Exchange, Market Curator (Figure 1).

1. Information Aggregator – Takes a laissez-faire approach, where the state facilitates the transaction, and little more.
2. Retail-Oriented Exchange – Seeks to develop a competitive marketplace focused on providing a robust shopping experience for the consumer.
3. Guided Exchange – Reduces confusion for new consumers by offering a reduced number of more standardized products and a simplified shopping experience.
4. Market Curator – Manages competition on a robust platform, where the state curates who can be on the exchange and, to a lesser extent, which products can be offered.

The model that emerges for any given state will factor heavily into a health plan’s decision to participate in the market, as well as influence development of its go-to-market strategy in “entry” states.

Heritage obviously prefers exchange designs closer to the information aggregator or at least the retail-oriented exchange. That doesn't change the fact that any exchange a state implements will be a market solution. And, indeed, any exchange design is a variation on a theme Heritage itself has been promoting for years now. Some "socialist" that Obama turned out to be.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

GOP Presidential Hopeful, Richard John "Rick" Santorum has said during campaign appearances that President Obama is pushing the United States 'to the brink of socialism, to the brink of losing our freedom' and Mr. Santorum claims he can 'reclaim our country' back from this brink.

I have a few serious reservations about this narrative, but what I wonder is how anyone believes this to be true, that we are on the brink of socialism and that Santorum can bring us back.

I see no proof of this brink or no proof that Santorum could bring the United States back from anything, real or imagined.

You don't see it, Dainty, because you don't want to. I am very anti-Santorum, but he is right on this point. All you have to do is review Obama's past statements prior to running for president and who he has associated himself with both past and present to know that this is his desire. No, he's not going to say it, because it would be political suicide to do so, but he's slowly achieving his goal through judicial appointments and through the bastardization of the Constitution in his justification of Obamacare, which if upheld by the SCOTUS will be disastrous for federal restraint going forward. I am also beginning to feel that his mishandling of the economy is by design. Should Obama get a second term then you'll see the Marxist gloves come off because he'll have nothing to lose at that point.

 

[sealybobo]

Obama is sending the country towards a Greek-style debt. Twenty-five percent of Greek businesses have closed since 2009. The unemployment rate is over twenty percent. The suicide rate is increasing. If you want to follow Greece (with no one to bail us out), vote for Obama.

What a stretch. The Greek economy is falling apart because trickle down works. The US economy collapsed and it caused Europe to collapse. And it has been coming long before Obama. What you don't understand is that the rich caused it and they did it on purpose. They got richer and pushed through their agenda of cuts to social programs.

And notice you don't put two and two together and see this is divide and conquer? Its the Greek citizens fault, not the rich. In France the masses have to take massive cuts. But the rich keep their tax breaks. And in America, the rich keep getting richer and the middle class keeps getting poorer, and you think it was Obama? You think teachers, firefighter, police and all other union workers make too much.

Its only a matter of time before its your turn.

You're putting the cart before the horse. You are proving you have no undestanding of what happened to the economy. The Robber Barons have wagad class warfare on the middle class. And not just in America. All over the globe the masses are protesting because the rich have gotten too greedy, powerful and corrupt. But the corporate media isn't helping you put two and two together.

This is a new world order. The rich that own America own the rest of the world too. Obama is trying to stop the robber barons but with citizens united, that's not easy. With the media being controlled by corporations, they control the message now. You are brainwashed. Wake up. You aren't rich enough to benefit from GOP policies.

 

[edthecynic]

These are all fabrications that have been put out there in order to discourage people from meeting what I consider to be a core ethical and moral obligation: that is, that we look out for one another; that is, I am my brother’s keeper, I am my sister’s keeper. And in the wealthiest nation in the world right now we are neglecting to live up to that call.”

- President Barack Hussein Obama, August 2009
From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs

Preamble
Welfare/Warfare State Constitution
Karl Marx
Founding Father
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Marx was infinitely more Christian than any CON$ervative.

Acts 4:32 Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common.

4:34 There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold.

4:35 They laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.
(New Revised Standard version)

How did that story finish? Was it something like: if you don't work, you don't eat.

No, it was more like if you don't give and you lie, you die.

Acts 4: 36* And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,
37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles’ feet.

Acts 5:1* ¶ But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
2* And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles’ feet.
3* But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
4* Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
5* And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
6* And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
9* Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
10* Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.
11* And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Obama is sending the country towards a Greek-style debt. Twenty-five percent of Greek businesses have closed since 2009. The unemployment rate is over twenty percent. The suicide rate is increasing. If you want to follow Greece (with no one to bail us out), vote for Obama.

You are making simple assertions without qualified, objective evidence.

No one is following Greece, logical4u.

If you want to make an objective, useful comparison: then compare the USA economically with Germany,.

 

[sealybobo]

Some of you need to go back and look up "socialism", "social democracy", "progressivism", "capitalism", "liberalism", and "conservatism."

There is a lot of wrong usage in this thread of those terms.

We are all entitled to our own opinions, but not our own facts and our own definitions.

I saw this on the Huffington Post and it made me think of this subject:

Jared Bernstein: Manufacturing: Why We Should Help the Sector (But Not Too Much)

 

[bripat9643]

Obama's "health insurance exchanges" bare no resemblance to what the Heritage Foundation proposes.

Did wrong, bri-pat. This is why many will not listen to the far right, because you won't or can't play by civilized rules.

The heritage Foundation idea for insurance exchanges was intended as a substitute for any reform of federal law that prevents insurance companies from selling across state lines. That isn't what Obama's exchanges do.

You're blowing hot wind out your ass.

 

[bripat9643]

Obama's "health insurance exchanges" bare no resemblance to what the Heritage Foundation proposes.

Of course they do. The salient point here is that exchanges are a market-oriented solution and they rely entirely on the private sector to provide the insurance product (there are no public plan offerings in the exchanges).

They are about as "market oriented" as Das Kapital. All you need to have a a market solution is get government out of the way. Obama's exchanges strictly regulate the kind of insurance that can be provided and imposes all manner of other rules on the insurance companies. If you want competition, then simply allow insurance companies to compete by overruling state laws that prevent out-of-state vendors from selling insurance within a given state.

Calling Obama's scheme "insurance exchanges" is just a scheme to make it more palatable to the public.

 

[francoHFW]

Obama's "health insurance exchanges" bare no resemblance to what the Heritage Foundation proposes.

Of course they do. The salient point here is that exchanges are a market-oriented solution and they rely entirely on the private sector to provide the insurance product (there are no public plan offerings in the exchanges).

They are about as "market oriented" as Das Kapital. All you need to have a a market solution is get government out of the way. Obama's exchanges strictly regulate the kind of insurance that can be provided and imposes all manner of other rules on the insurance companies. If you want competition, then simply allow insurance companies to compete by overruling state laws that prevent out-of-state vendors from selling insurance within a given state.

Calling Obama's scheme "insurance exchanges" is just a scheme to make it more palatable to the public.

Good. Now what happened to the Pubs wanting to overrule those laws, the lying hypocrites...