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My God! You Obamabots are D E N S E! There's proof sprinkled all through this pathetic thread.
As usual, the liberal argument is to ignore what's been said and restate the stupid fucking question, acting as if no answers have been given. You birdbrains can sit around and pat each other on the back all day long...won't change a goddamned thing.
Obama is a goddamned Marxist!
Liberalism is a mental disorder!
There's no point to arguing with Dante, he's dumber that TM and more predictable than Deany
I believe that last goofballs name was zeke. I do have some left leaning intelligent friends that can rationally discuss politics without getting into lies of convenience like the posters here do. Rational liberals are few and far between.
Every person I ever worked for swore up and down on a stack of bibles that they were poor!Here's a trite little question for you.Right wingers are not much into fact. Or proof. They are much more into slogans that sound good and are mostly made up.If any conservatives, right wingers, and anyone else here who is dissatisfied with Obama believes any of this, they need to offer proof in order to convince a majority of would be voters to buy into this narrative.
Like "you can't tax the ultra rich more, they are the job creators". No proof. But it sounds good. To them.
Have you ever been hired for a full time job by a poor person?
There is nothing in "the above" that indicates I'm not using facts and evidence. Obama's biggest stumbling block in accomplishing his Marxist makeover is THE CONSTITUTION. He ignores it when he can, but he can't make it go away.Ahhh yes...but then there's that pesky old Constitution Obama has to deal with. It is difficult for him to accomplish his campaign promises because of the Constitution. Imagine that!
The above is why the GOP is going to get its ass beat this fall if this nonsense continues.
Try facts and evidence, asaratis.
President Obama's Push Towards Socialism: is it a myth, or is there proof of it's existence?
GOP Presidential Hopeful, Richard John "Rick" Santorum has said during campaign appearances that President Obama is pushing the United States 'to the brink of socialism, to the brink of losing our freedom' and Mr. Santorum claims he can 'reclaim our country' back from this brink.
I have a few serious reservations about this narrative, but what I wonder is how anyone believes this to be true, that we are on the brink of socialism and that Santorum can bring us back.
I see no proof of this brink or no proof that Santorum could bring the United States back from anything, real or imagined.
If any conservatives, right wingers, and anyone else here who is dissatisfied with Obama believes any of this, they need to offer proof in order to convince a majority of would be voters to buy into this narrative.
"Where's the beef?" Try proving something right here and now.
dD
Which is irrefutable proof that Obama is planning to turn the US into a socialist paradise.
These are all fabrications that have been put out there in order to discourage people from meeting what I consider to be a core ethical and moral obligation: that is, that we look out for one another; that is, I am my brothers keeper, I am my sisters keeper. And in the wealthiest nation in the world right now we are neglecting to live up to that call.
- President Barack Hussein Obama, August 2009
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Just to be clear - you're saying that's a bad sentiment?
Marx was infinitely more Christian than any CON$ervative.Which is irrefutable proof that Obama is planning to turn the US into a socialist paradise.
These are all fabrications that have been put out there in order to discourage people from meeting what I consider to be a core ethical and moral obligation: that is, that we look out for one another; that is, I am my brothers keeper, I am my sisters keeper. And in the wealthiest nation in the world right now we are neglecting to live up to that call.
- President Barack Hussein Obama, August 2009
From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs
Preamble
Welfare/Warfare State Constitution
Karl Marx
Founding Father
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These are all fabrications that have been put out there in order to discourage people from meeting what I consider to be a core ethical and moral obligation: that is, that we look out for one another; that is, I am my brothers keeper, I am my sisters keeper. And in the wealthiest nation in the world right now we are neglecting to live up to that call.
- President Barack Hussein Obama, August 2009
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Just to be clear - you're saying that's a bad sentiment?
That is a bad sentiment if the government forces you to abide by the same.
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Marx was infinitely more Christian than any CON$ervative.
Are you saying that obama never wanted a socialist UHC?
Are you saying that obama never wanted a socialist UHC?
We know what Obama campaigned on in 2008 because (if we can't quite remember) his '08 campaign issues page can still be viewed via the Wayback Machine.
Looks like he was proposing:
- A health insurance exchange concept based on guaranteed issue and community rating rules, minimum coverage requirements for plans, and income-based subsidies for low-to-middle income people
- Medicaid and CHIP expansions, as well as extension of dependent coverage to allow 20-somethings to remain on their parents' plans
- Movement toward more disease management, care coordination, health information technology, and transparency on quality and costs
- Patient safety initiatives, value-based purchasing, medical loss ratio requirements for insurance markets, and support for comparative effectiveness research
In other words, something very, very similar to what became law two years later.
Are you saying that obama never wanted a socialist UHC?
We know what Obama campaigned on in 2008 because (if we can't quite remember) his '08 campaign issues page can still be viewed via the Wayback Machine.
Looks like he was proposing:
- A health insurance exchange concept based on guaranteed issue and community rating rules, minimum coverage requirements for plans, and income-based subsidies for low-to-middle income people
- Medicaid and CHIP expansions, as well as extension of dependent coverage to allow 20-somethings to remain on their parents' plans
- Movement toward more disease management, care coordination, health information technology, and transparency on quality and costs
- Patient safety initiatives, value-based purchasing, medical loss ratio requirements for insurance markets, and support for comparative effectiveness research
In other words, something very, very similar to what became law two years later.
You're too easy at times. I was talking about Obama's socialist vision of UHC. Hmmm
Comprehension seems not to be your strong suit. Please re read what I stated, okay. One word at a time and slowly please so you can get the most out of my simple comment.
Meister "Are you saying that obama never wanted a socialist UHC?"
I enlarged it for you for your help, Greenbeard. Like I said, you're too easy, Greenbeard and just a little bit better of a spinner than Obama is.
Are you saying that obama never wanted a socialist UHC?
We know what Obama campaigned on in 2008 because (if we can't quite remember) his '08 campaign issues page can still be viewed via the Wayback Machine.
Looks like he was proposing:
- A health insurance exchange concept based on guaranteed issue and community rating rules, minimum coverage requirements for plans, and income-based subsidies for low-to-middle income people
- Medicaid and CHIP expansions, as well as extension of dependent coverage to allow 20-somethings to remain on their parents' plans
- Movement toward more disease management, care coordination, health information technology, and transparency on quality and costs
- Patient safety initiatives, value-based purchasing, medical loss ratio requirements for insurance markets, and support for comparative effectiveness research
In other words, something very, very similar to what became law two years later.
It just goes to show how sneaky he is.
By stating his plans openly he made sure that nobody took any notice of them.
So, really, in a way, he has imposed his plans by stealth.
The Google sleuths are only interested in coming up with theories based on something they've supposedly discovered that has never been made public.
Comprehension seems not to be your strong suit. Please re read what I stated, okay. One word at a time and slowly please so you can get the most out of my simple comment.
Meister "Are you saying that obama never wanted a socialist UHC?"
I enlarged it for you for your help, Greenbeard. Like I said, you're too easy, Greenbeard and just a little bit better of a spinner than Obama is.
I'm also waiting for a clear and concise answer to the question.
President Obama's Push Towards Socialism: is it a myth, or is there proof of it's existence?
GOP Presidential Hopeful, Richard John "Rick" Santorum has said during campaign appearances that President Obama is pushing the United States 'to the brink of socialism, to the brink of losing our freedom' and Mr. Santorum claims he can 'reclaim our country' back from this brink.
I have a few serious reservations about this narrative, but what I wonder is how anyone believes this to be true, that we are on the brink of socialism and that Santorum can bring us back.
I see no proof of this brink or no proof that Santorum could bring the United States back from anything, real or imagined.
If any conservatives, right wingers, and anyone else here who is dissatisfied with Obama believes any of this, they need to offer proof in order to convince a majority of would be voters to buy into this narrative.
"Where's the beef?" Try proving something right here and now.
dD
Meister: "Are you saying that obama never wanted a socialist UHC?"
Meister: "Are you saying that obama never wanted a socialist UHC?"
As long as he's been in public office, the answer is obviously no. Not when he was chairman of the Illinois Senate's Health and Human Services Committee, not when he was on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions in the U.S. Senate, and not as President of the United States. He's never demonstrated any interest in "socialist" health policy, despite having ample opportunity to pursue it if he so desired.
He's shown himself time and again to be interested in relying primarily on markets and incentives to expand coverage and address deficiencies in our system, like the slightly center-left politician he is. What he believed in the '80s before he enter politics I don't know, nor do I particularly care.
