Pelosi: Health Care 'Public Option' needs New Name....Orwell Lives!

[Harry Dresden]

How about they just call it:
"The Pelosi-Reid hell with it, we're outta here come 2010 so why should we care if the public is pissed when they finally realize what a sham we are, OPTION"

so is Pelosi and Co. going to be with us on this remarkable plan?....

 

[Harry Dresden]

L.O.L - Kevin thinks it's the governments fault that insurance companies fix their prices and raise them at will....but people driving from state to state looking for lower rates will fix that!

they dont have the internet or phones in Canada?.....mail?....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Wow, the right bullshitted so much lying about the pubic option, so the left got smart and called it something most people will understand.

Oh, how terrilble.


Bend over, the right is in charge.

Gee you thkink "public option" is too difficult?

Then again, the Dums think anything they do is too difficult to understand. That's why Obama got to the WH with two one syllable words.

he is right Ray.....are you that stupid?....Pelosi sure has some stooges to manipulate...

 

[Harry Dresden]

Wow, the right bullshitted so much lying about the pubic option, so the left got smart and called it something most people will understand.

Oh, how terrilble.


Bend over, the right is in charge.

Wrong.

The left is so desperate to get socialized medicine that they'll call it "free gold bars" if they have to, to get it passed.

as long as people like Ray are on board .....Pelosi and Co. will have no problems getting what SHE wants.....but then SHE knows whats best for us.....just ask Ray....he will tell ya...

 

[Maple]

Can't bullshit anyone anymore with "universal coverage", "single-payer" or the uber-cynical "public option" to describe socialized medicine?

NO PROBLEMA!!!

Just pull a page from the George Orwell book of semantic duplicity and dub it the "competitive option"!!

SUNRISE, Fla. (AP) - A government-sponsored "public option" for health care lives, though it may be more attractive to skeptics if it goes by a different moniker, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Monday.

In an appearance at a Florida senior center, the Democratic leader referred to the so-called public option as "the consumer option." Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., appeared by Pelosi's side and used the term "competitive option."

Both suggested new terminology might get them past any lingering doubts among the public—or consumers or competitors.

Pelosi: Health care 'public option' needs new name

She is speaker of the house and 3rd in line to be President of the United States, and she insults every American who has an IQ above 50. Let's just call it by a different name and the sheep will fall in line and march to the slaughter house. Anyone buying???? Because if you are, you are a moron.

Then she gets on national television and announces what she is doing, who's the stupid one here, surely not her.

 

[Varth Dader]

Same way they tried to re-label "health care reform" to "Health Insurance Reform."

That didn't even catch on with MSNBC!

Again, "controlling the message" is all these clods really care about and they've been a towering failure at it.

In reality, what this really shows is the result of allowing talking points loving Republicans to control the way words are used.

Republicans are in the business of creating demons out of words. "Socialist" "Government takeover" "Cut and run" "Death tax" to name a few.

Instead of having rational discussions on actual issues, it's all about yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater.

Unfortunately, Democrats can't keep the high road forever. So now they are Frank Luntz kind of business.

Congratulation on the great work.

 

[Maple]

so what is the conservative plan... other than "no"?

Problem is, remember??????????? It's the democrats that are in full majority in the house and the senate with a filibuster proof senate, the repubs can't stop a thing. So the elephants are really donkey's in disquise. Get it now, he can't get his OWN party to follow along to the slaughterhouse on healthcare. They ain't gonna go.

 

[Varth Dader]

Having Jay Canuck on ignore sure makes for a nicer board. Less stupid, better avatars.

You remind me of Obama putting Fox News on ignore. Must also make for a nicer life.

 

[DiveCon]

so what is the conservative plan... other than "no"?

HR3400 dumbfuck
its been posted for you before, so now you are just LYING

 

[DiveCon]

yes I think we had a look at how derugulation and the market when allowed to run wild worked out...... nothing new here folks move along.

And when was that?

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where have you been for the last 8 years?

and again you show what a dumbfuck you are

 

[DiamondDave]

Having Jay Canuck on ignore sure makes for a nicer board. Less stupid, better avatars.

...if you put someone on ignore who disagrees with you, you are just saying you cant handle the guys posts....we had a little weasel here a while ago who had anyone who disagreed with him on ignore....and that was just about everyone....its kinda chicken shit....fucking confront the person...you put him on ignore....he wins....you lost.....whos next?....

Ahhh...

But arguing with an idiot makes it incredibly hard for a passer-by to determine who is really the idiot

 

[The Rabbi]

Having Jay Canuck on ignore sure makes for a nicer board. Less stupid, better avatars.

...if you put someone on ignore who disagrees with you, you are just saying you cant handle the guys posts....we had a little weasel here a while ago who had anyone who disagreed with him on ignore....and that was just about everyone....its kinda chicken shit....fucking confront the person...you put him on ignore....he wins....you lost.....whos next?....

Ahhh...

But arguing with an idiot makes it incredibly hard for a passer-by to determine who is really the idiot

Agreed. Some people cannot put together a coherent thought and make wild assertions not subject to reality testing. I dont care which side those people are on, they are going on iggy.

 

[Murf76]

Can't bullshit anyone anymore with "universal coverage", "single-payer" or the uber-cynical "public option" to describe socialized medicine?

NO PROBLEMA!!!

Just pull a page from the George Orwell book of semantic duplicity and dub it the "competitive option"!!

"Bullshit" is the operative word, alright.

When Democrats have lost the debate... they change the language. Which means, of course, that they KNOW their claim that "most Americans want a public option" is total... "bullshit". Attempts to redefine the verbiage is an admission of guilt, all the while they CONTINUE to LIE to our faces.

And the kool-aid swilling bobble-heads on the left won't see, that along with the rest of us, they're the victims of a two-bit, crappy, marketing ploy. Like they'll somehow be immune to the cost of reckless spending and loss of liberty for having supported it. You'd think anybody with even a modicum of self respect would be insulted... but, nope.

All this business of a "public option" being a means to create "competition" is complete and total crap anyway. They know it. We know it. If competition was the issue, they'd utilize the Commerce Clause and allow sale of policies across state lines. Overnight, we'd increase competition to something like 1300 companies. But no. That's not what they're after. They want single-payer and are too chickenshit to just come on out with it. They know Americans will never go for socialist medicine if they see it coming, so they're back-dooring it.

Again... people ought to be really pissed at the insult to their intelligence.

So... Nancy's going to change the verbiage again? Call it what?... "the competitive option"?
But can she answer a couple of questions?:

If Congress has the right to regulate the insurance industry via the Commerce Clause, as we know they do... what Constitutional right do they have to regulate it when it doesn't cross state lines? And more importantly, as we acknowledge Congress has the right of interstate regulation on private industry, what right do they have to hang a shingle and ENGAGE in commerce???

Some of you bobble-heads are pretty quick to toss the Constitution aside in your rush for a free lunch. But what you're forgetting is that, once it's gone, so is the federal government's lawful authority. Your only hold on the citizens of this country is at the point of a gun.... and that's a slippery hold indeed.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Having Jay Canuck on ignore sure makes for a nicer board. Less stupid, better avatars.

...if you put someone on ignore who disagrees with you, you are just saying you cant handle the guys posts....we had a little weasel here a while ago who had anyone who disagreed with him on ignore....and that was just about everyone....its kinda chicken shit....fucking confront the person...you put him on ignore....he wins....you lost.....whos next?....

Ahhh...

But arguing with an idiot makes it incredibly hard for a passer-by to determine who is really the idiot

so you are worried then that the passer-by might think that it is you?....Dave i think most of the veteran posters here know who the idiots are and the newbies will figure it out as the exchange goes forward....

 

[Harry Dresden]

...if you put someone on ignore who disagrees with you, you are just saying you cant handle the guys posts....we had a little weasel here a while ago who had anyone who disagreed with him on ignore....and that was just about everyone....its kinda chicken shit....fucking confront the person...you put him on ignore....he wins....you lost.....whos next?....

Ahhh...

But arguing with an idiot makes it incredibly hard for a passer-by to determine who is really the idiot

Agreed. Some people cannot put together a coherent thought and make wild assertions not subject to reality testing. I dont care which side those people are on, they are going on iggy.

so like i told Dave....your worried that a newbie will think you are the idiot....

 

[Jay Canuck]

wow! - so many new ideas about healthcare reform have sullied forth from the far-right overnight...... let's see - the same bullshit from yesterday + let's blow each other with thanx and rep.

 

[Oddball]

This thread isn't about that, Canucklehead. It's about people fudging words in a cynical attempt to con people into accepting what they clearly don't want.

And you have been given alternative ideas, you've merely refused to accept them, as you're not interested in anything that doesn't involve totally socialized medicine.

Now, quit trying to derail the thread.

 

[Jay Canuck]

I suppose in the land of the GOP brainwashed moron a public option does = total socialized medicine but there are people who can think for themselves.

 

[Contumacious]

I suppose in the land of the GOP brainwashed moron a public option does = total socialized medicine but there are people who can think for themselves.

Orwellian

definition: To describe something as "Orwellian" is to say that it brings to mind the fictional totalitarian society of Oceania described in George Orwell's novel Nineteen Eighty-Four.

In Orwell's novel, all citizens of Oceania are monitored by cameras, are fed fabricated news stories by the government, are forced to worship a mythical government leader called Big Brother, are indoctrinated to believe nonsense statements (the mantra "WAR IS PEACE, SLAVERY IS FREEDOM, IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH"),

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[beowolfe]

I like Obermann's suggestion....

Medicare Part E (E meaning everybody)....