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A Palestinian "refugee", according to the UNRWA definition everyone today does use, is anyone who lived in Palestine for 2 years consecutively prior to 1948.
IOW, many Arab Migrant workers are considered "refugees", "Palestinians."
Imagine if you will, by the same standard, the 400,000 'Palestinians' Kicked out of Kuwait aftre Gulf War 1, would be considered "Kuwaiti refugees" and entitled... to anything.
Only on Israel would they try and pull this shit.
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abu, why didn't you guys just PAY the Palestinians for their land? Isn't that what's usually done in a democracy?
why would they?
the pals are jordanian. but jordan doesn't want them either.
ignorant twit.
But alas for you, and miraculously, People look back and marvel that it is Israel Again.In sixty years time people will look back at the country that was once called "Israel"
The Only people ever to make anything of the land, twice, in 3000+ years.
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Indeed, Jordan hasn't been the only place those major immigrants came from, there're other countries in the hood, like Egypt, Syria, even Algeria, of course.What about all the Palestinians who have never been to Jordan?
That and other arab delusions, of course.Not so. Palestine was self sufficient before Israel invaded.
abu, why didn't you guys just PAY the Palestinians for their land?The problem is palistanians had to exist and to "own land" in the first place.A Palestinian "refugee", according to the UNRWA definition everyone today does use, is anyone who lived in Palestine for 2 years consecutively prior to 1948. IOW, many Arab Migrant workers are considered "refugees", "Palestinians." Imagine if you will, by the same standard, the 400,000 'Palestinians' Kicked out of Kuwait aftre Gulf War 1, would be considered "Kuwaiti refugees" and entitled... to anything. Only on Israel would they try and pull this shit.
First, I am an America. "You guys" does NOT apply.abu, why didn't you guys just PAY the Palestinians for their land?[size]A Palestinian "refugee", according to the UNRWA definition everyone today does use, is anyone who lived in Palestine for 2 years consecutively prior to 1948. IOW, many Arab Migrant workers are considered "refugees", "Palestinians." Imagine if you will, by the same standard, the 400,000 'Palestinians' Kicked out of Kuwait aftre Gulf War 1, would be considered "Kuwaiti refugees" and entitled... to anything. Only on Israel would they try and pull this shit.
[size="]The problem is palistanians had to exist and to "own land" in the first place.
Second... THAT is what DID happen.
Land prices in arid palestine in the early 20th century were selling for 10x what GOOD land in Iowa was selling for because of Zionist demand.
Many arabs to this day are Forbidden from selling to Jews under threat of Death.
And you Need to read my other string:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/israel-and-palestine/105824-myth-1-israel-is-stolen-land.html
You know, the one YOU posted in a few hours ago.
2/3 of what became Israel was STATE land belong to NO arab; passing from the Ottomans to the British to the Jews.
And they bought some of the Rest they hadn't already purchased back into the 19th century.
The Bulk of Arab land/land owners were Very large and Absentee. You didn't live in Stinking Palestine if you had any moola. You/they lived in Cairo, Damascus, Beirut.
Most of the Balance coming after Arab abandonment/Losing the 1948 (and 1967) WarS to wipe out Israel and the Jews in it.
They could have/Intended To win, and claim the spoils/All the Jewish land and property.
But they lost. War is a two-sided gamble. No "Do overs".
Some stayed and are still land-owning citizens of Israel.
This all Rehash because you haven't read what's already been presented on a silver platter in the above linked string and others.
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First, I am an America. "You guys" does NOT apply.abu, why didn't you guys just PAY the Palestinians for their land?[size][/i]
[size="]The problem is palistanians had to exist and to "own land" in the first place.[/size]
Second... THAT is what DID happen.
Land prices in arid palestine in the early 20th century were selling for 10x what GOOD land in Iowa was selling for because of Zionist demand.
Many arabs to this day are Forbidden from selling to Jews under threat of Death.
And you Need to read my other string:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/israel-and-palestine/105824-myth-1-israel-is-stolen-land.html
You know, the one YOU posted in a few hours ago.
2/3 of what became Israel was STATE land belong to NO arab; passing from the Ottomans to the British to the Jews.
And they bought some of the Rest they hadn't already purchased back into the 19th century.
The Bulk of Arab land/land owners were Very large and Absentee. You didn't live in Stinking Palestine if you had any moola. You/they lived in Cairo, Damascus, Beirut.
Most of the Balance coming after Arab abandonment/Losing the 1948 (and 1967) WarS to wipe out Israel and the Jews in it.
They could have/Intended To win, and claim the spoils/All the Jewish land and property.
But they lost. War is a two-sided gamble. No "Do overs".
Some stayed and are still land-owning citizens of Israel.
This all Rehash because you haven't read what's already been presented on a silver platter in the above linked string and others.
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Several inaccuracies here.
By 1947 the Jews only owned about 7% of the land.
Britain Administered Palestine. It did not take possession. Ottoman land was ceded to the government of Palestine.
No "Arab" country lost the 1948 war. No "Arab" country lost any land.
Are you a LIAR, Persistent Anti-semite.. or Just STUPID?First, I am an America. "You guys" does NOT apply.
Second... THAT is what DID happen.
Land prices in arid palestine in the early 20th century were selling for 10x what GOOD land in Iowa was selling for because of Zionist demand.
Many arabs to this day are Forbidden from selling to Jews under threat of Death.
And you Need to read my other string:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/israel-and-palestine/105824-myth-1-israel-is-stolen-land.html
You know, the one YOU posted in a few hours ago.
2/3 of what became Israel was STATE land belong to NO arab; passing from the Ottomans to the British to the Jews.
And they bought some of the Rest they hadn't already purchased back into the 19th century.
The Bulk of Arab land/land owners were Very large and Absentee. You didn't live in Stinking Palestine if you had any moola. You/they lived in Cairo, Damascus, Beirut.
Most of the Balance coming after Arab abandonment/Losing the 1948 (and 1967) WarS to wipe out Israel and the Jews in it.
They could have/Intended To win, and claim the spoils/All the Jewish land and property.
But they lost. War is a two-sided gamble. No "Do overs".
Some stayed and are still land-owning citizens of Israel.
This all Rehash because you haven't read what's already been presented on a silver platter in the above linked string and others.
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Several inaccuracies here.
By 1947 the Jews only owned about 7% of the land.
Britain Administered Palestine. It did not take possession. Ottoman land was ceded to the government of Palestine.
No "Arab" country lost the 1948 war. No "Arab" country lost any land.
NO "Inaccuracies".
There was no/Never an Arab Govt of Palestine.. Only British Run Palestine
Arab CountrieS STARTED AND LOST the War to Block the Partition of Palestine (Res 181) and try and Take all of it.
The Arabs, local and otherwise, REJECTED the partition and any land thereof.
The Jews accepted it and The land within.. thereof.
Israel Was about 2/3 State Land.
You don't deny this- just make Irrelevant Other claims and inferences because you Cannot debate ON point.
As to %..
WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS Recently:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/israe...-the-zionists-on-palestine-4.html#post3850064
Got it yet, you 40 IQ anti-semite Schmuck?Indeedy .....By 1947, The Jews only owned about 7% of Palestine. It could hardly be said that the land was bought. Vere little of it was bought.
Who owned the rest, Tin Man? Did the Muslims, Christians, Druze, Bedouin - did they have land titles? Hmmm? Uh...no.
But what about East J'lem? The Jews were expelled after the war. Can we agree its ours now? Are you OK with the fact that the British started to restrict land sold to Jews (and only Jews - isn't that called bigotry?!) because Muslims were complaining? The Turks restricted land sales as well, since they were scared they'd lose hold of Palestine if Jews had their own government. (They weren't worried about Arab farmers.) Are you OK that they started confiscating (aka stealing what Jews had legally paid for) the land that Jews were on?
Hmmm?
MOST OF THE LAND BELONGED TO FOREIGN GOVERNMENT. So are you telling me that Muslim communal property is legit and Jewish communal property and government isn't?
The Negev Desert alone, the then thought-useless HALF of Israel, was owned by NO Arab.
See my (""Myth #1..." string)
CAMERA.org said:http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=4&x_outlet=28&x_article=291
Once again Philip Mattar was featured, repeating some of the same falsehoods he had uttered in the previous segment:The Jews were being offered 55% of Palestine when in fact they had owned only 7% of the country. Four-hundred-fifty thousand Palestinians were going to end up within the Jewish state, and they did not see any reason why they should go along with that kind of inequality, that kind of injustice.Mattar's clear, and false, implication is that if Jews owned only some small percentage of the land, then Arabs must have owned the rest, in this case more than 93% of the country.
But this is nonsense – in Mandate Palestine the Arabs owned little more land than did the Jews. Indeed, going back to Ottoman times, most of the country was state-owned land, not under any individual ownership. Thus, under the Ottoman code one of the main land categories was miri, meaning land belonging to the Emir.
During the Mandate, the British carried out detailed land surveys, marking off who owned what, and according to figures in the 'British Survey of Palestine' (republished and endorsed by Mattar's Institute for Palestine Studies), at least 65% of the country was state land, and probably much More than that.
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As per arab agitprop, of course, and their delusions are of the clinical nature.Several inaccuracies here.
And arabs owned only a meager 8% of it. Absentee landlords, mostly churches owned 16%. The remainder, comprised by state lands, owned previously by the sultan, was owned by the mandate government.By 1947 the Jews only owned about 7% of the land.
Of course, not. The ottomans just lost the war and their imperial real estate.Britain Administered Palestine. It did not take possession. Ottoman land was ceded to the government of Palestine.
Cool, then they have nothing to bitch about.No "Arab" country lost the 1948 war. No "Arab" country lost any land.
An Arab Palestine is a fallacy – it is based on lies and misconceptions. There has never, in the history of the world, been a nation of Palestine.
Is this just a radical pro-Israel viewpoint or is it a universal truth that can be proven in many ways? This website is inspired by Geert Wilders, a Dutch Parliamentarian, who said in June 2010 that “Jordan is Palestine”.
Okay, so where is this proof? The most important proofs for this are historic maps of Palestine, and quotes from so-called “Palestinian” leaders over the years, showing that Palestine, as a distinct identity, never existed
– EVER!
There were times of Muslim rule over Palestine at several points in history, but Palestine was always part of a larger entity and it’s inhabitants never had anything that distinguished them from others in the vicinity –
they had the same language, names, monetary system, government, culture and artifacts of those in neighbouring areas.
This website explores the question of just who the Palestinians are and why Jordan should be called Palestine, and NOT the West Bank or Gaza.
It is indeed!It is funny watching people try and explain how foreigners have more right to Palestine than the Palestinians.
It is indeed!It is funny watching people try and explain how foreigners have more right to Palestine than the Palestinians.
"One Always finds in Palestine Arabs who have been in the country only a Few Weeks or a Few Months...
Since They are themselves Strangers in a Strange land, They are the Loudest to cry: 'Out with the Jews!...
Amongst them are to be found representatives of every Arab country: Arabs from Transjordan, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Egypt, the Sudan and Iraq."
- Ladislas Farago, Palestine at the Crossroads (New York: Putnam 1937) p17
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That's what arab delusions are for, of course.It is funny watching people try and explain how foreigners have more right to Palestine than the Palestinians.
Disagree.It is indeed!It is funny watching people try and explain how foreigners have more right to Palestine than the Palestinians.
"One Always finds in Palestine Arabs who have been in the country only a Few Weeks or a Few Months...
Since They are themselves Strangers in a Strange land, They are the Loudest to cry: 'Out with the Jews!...
Amongst them are to be found representatives of every Arab country: Arabs from Transjordan, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Egypt, the Sudan and Iraq."
- Ladislas Farago, Palestine at the Crossroads (New York: Putnam 1937) p17
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Surely there were some recent Arab immigrants. Of course they were a drop in the bucket compared to the Jewish immigration.
However, a few recent immigrants do not negate the rights of the Palestinians whose ancestry goes back hundreds sometimes thousands of years.
Disagree.It is indeed!
"One Always finds in Palestine Arabs who have been in the country only a Few Weeks or a Few Months...
Since They are themselves Strangers in a Strange land, They are the Loudest to cry: 'Out with the Jews!...
Amongst them are to be found representatives of every Arab country: Arabs from Transjordan, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Egypt, the Sudan and Iraq."
- Ladislas Farago, Palestine at the Crossroads (New York: Putnam 1937) p17
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Surely there were some recent Arab immigrants. Of course they were a drop in the bucket compared to the Jewish immigration.
However, a few recent immigrants do not negate the rights of the Palestinians whose ancestry goes back hundreds sometimes thousands of years.
Immigration to Palestine was large... following the Zionists in for Jobs they created.
Just as 'Palestinians' Traditionally and Still flock by the Tens/Hundreds of Thousands to Job in places like Kuwait, Iraq, Israel, etc.
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An honest account, presented by W. Churchill - "So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied until their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population." - confirms that it wasn't so, of course.The immigration of "Arabs" was insignificant in the increase in population. The vast majority was natural growth. The Palestinians go other places for work because Israel has stolen or destroyed their economic infrastructures.
Nonsense.Disagree.Surely there were some recent Arab immigrants. Of course they were a drop in the bucket compared to the Jewish immigration.[/b]
However, a few recent immigrants do not negate the rights of the Palestinians whose ancestry goes back hundreds sometimes thousands of years.
Immigration to Palestine was large... following the Zionists in for Jobs they created.
Just as 'Palestinians' Traditionally and Still flock by the Tens/Hundreds of Thousands to Job in places like Kuwait, Iraq, Israel, etc.
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The immigration of "Arabs" was insignificant in the increase in population. The vast majority was natural growth.
The Palestinians go other places for work because Israel has stolen or destroyed their economic infrastructures.
Nonsense.Disagree.
Immigration to Palestine was large... following the Zionists in for Jobs they created.
Just as 'Palestinians' Traditionally and Still flock by the Tens/Hundreds of Thousands to Job in places like Kuwait, Iraq, Israel, etc.
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The immigration of "Arabs" was insignificant in the increase in population. The vast majority was natural growth.
The Palestinians go other places for work because Israel has stolen or destroyed their economic infrastructures.
They go looking for work because they breed like rabbits and have few entrepeneurs.
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