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    "Palestinians" [are an] Arab people No one heard of before 1967 before Israeli governments certified this piece of Propaganda...
    As has been noted many times before, prior to 1948, that is before Jews had begun to call themselves Israelis,
    the ONLY persons known as "Palestinians" were Jews,
    with the Arabs much preferrring to identify themselves as part of the great Arab nation.
    - David Basch


    "...Palestine does not belong to the "Palestinians" and never did. They did not even call themselves Palestinians until the middle 1960s.
    Before that, the word "Palestinian" meant "Jewish,"
    while the local Arabs called themselves simply "Arabs."
    The creation of the PLO by Gamal Abdul Nasser in 1964 was a brilliant ploy to distort the parameters of the dispute, largely for propaganda purposes.
    It was inconvenient to have a conflict between 20-odd Arab states with an area 530 times greater than Israel, a population more than 30 times greater than Israel's and enormously richer natural resources.
    Far better to Invent a "Palestinian" nation that would be the eternal "underdog," -
    a nation consisting partly of Immigrants from Syria and other Arab countries who came to benefit from the rapidly growing economy Zionist Jews created..."
    - westerndefense.org


    "There is NO language known as Palestinian. - There is NO distinct Palestinian culture.
    There has NEVER been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians.
    Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another Recent Invention)
    , Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.
    Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9% of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of 1% of the landmass.
    But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today. Greed. Pride. Envy. Covetousness.
    No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough....""
    - Joseph Farah, Arab-American journalist


    So before the creation of the State of Israel, who were the Palestinians?
    ANSWER:
    Until 1950, the name of the Jerusalem Post was THE PALESTINE POST;
    the journal of the Zionist Organization of America was NEW PALESTINE;
    Bank Leumi was the ANGLO-PALESTINE BANK;
    the Israel Electric Company was the PALESTINE ELECTRIC COMPANY;
    there was the PALESTINE FOUNDATION FUND and.... the PALESTINE PHILHARMONIC.
    All these were JEWISH organizations.
    In America, Zionist youngsters sang "PALESTINE, MY PALESTINE", "PALESTINE SCOUT SONG" and "PALESTINE SPRING SONG"
    In general, the terms Palestine and Palestinian referred to the region of Palestine as it was. Thus "Palestinian Jew" and "Palestinian Arab" are straightforward expressions.
    "Palestine Post" and "Palestine Philharmonic" refer to these bodies as they existed in a place then known as Palestine.
    The adoption of a Palestinian identity by the Arabs of Palestine is a Recent phenomenon.
    Until the establishment of the State of Israel, and for another Decade or so, the term Palestinian applied almost exclusively to the Jews.

    - 'Palestinians' - The Peace FAQ
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    Al Hambra Theatre, Jaffa 1937, flying Palestinian flag.
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    You need to get off that propaganda.
     
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    http://reviews.ebay.com/Palestine-C...or-eBay-collectors_W0QQugidZ10000000000770353

    What are "Palestine coins"?

    The only world coins minted for general circulation that bear the name 'Palestine' were issued from 1927 to 1947 under the British Mandate to govern Palestine,
    which was granted to Great Britain by the League of Nations in 1923.


    Under the auspices of the Palestine Currency Board, 59 different coins were minted for circulation in Palestine during the period from 1927 through 1946.
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    Each coin is tri-lingual, bearing legends in three languages: English, Arabic, and Hebrew.
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    What dates and denominations are available to collect?

    The denominations of the 59 Palestine coins issued for circulation from 1927 to 1946 range from 1 Mil to 100 Mils.
    Each Mil represents 1/1000th of a Palestine Pound, equivalent to one British Pound Sterling, thus the 100 Mils coins was equivalent in value to 1/10 of a Pound, or to a British Florin or Two Shillings coin.
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    What's the history of the period when these coins were issued?

    Here's a very, very brief history:
    The empire of the Ottoman Turks ruled the area of historic Palestine for 400 years, until their military defeat by the British in 1917.

    In turn, the British occupation, and subsequent Mandate - which led to the issuance of these coins - occurred from 1917 to 1947.


    This period ended with the United Nations vote to partition Palestine in 1947, the formal departure of the British in 1948, and the Arab-Israeli War of 1948-49,
    variously known as the War of Independence (or Liberation) or 'The Catastrophe' ('al Nakba' in transliterated Arabic).​
     
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    JUDAEA, First Jewish War. 66-70 CE. AR Shekel (22mm, 13.19 g, 12h). Dated year 3 (68/9 CE).
    "Shekel of Israel," Omer cup with pearled rim; date above / "Jerusalem the Holy," (That's ancient Hebrew) sprig of three pomegranates.
    Meshorer 202; Hendin 662.
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    Yeah, yeah "Palestinians don't exist" argument. It's irrelevant when the name "Palestinian" began to be used. "Israelis" didn't exist either before 1948 - how does that make them any less "real"? The assertion that a "Palestinian is indistinguishable from Jordanians (another Recent Invention)" is retarded, and wouldn't hold up anywhere else - What's the difference between an American and a Canadian? Mexico and Central America were all one spanish viceroyalty in colonial times, then balkanizing into different states, there was no such thing as a Salvadoran or a Honduran, but that was 190 years ago so now they're "real" - or maybe you think they're not real, so I guess it'd be legitimate to take over one of them and tell them all to move over, since they speak the same language and have the same "ethnic makeup."

    And I'm assuming Austrians are "just Germans" right? Hitler probably should have had his Anschluss, then, eh? I mean, really, what is the difference between a German and an Austrian? Taking Poland was probably ok too, I mean, the Slavs have a huge percentage of the land of Europe, compared to Germany =/, and Poland didn't even exist for hundreds of years until 1919.

    No, obviously none of this would be ok, it's no different with the Palestinians. The name Palestinian may be new, but it nevertheless denotes Arab inhabitants of the region in question, in which every historical single census ever taken were a ridiculously vast majority of the population. That a properly "Palestinian" identity is new doesn't mean anything, and it's not up to you to say to say whose identities are legitimate or not. The fact that 13 million people identify themselves as "Palestinian" is what gives the identity legitimacy - who are iyou to claim what culture is "distinct enough" or not? It's the same thing as when people try to "delegtimize" Jews by claiming most are converts, or they sneak into Israel pretending to be Jews or whatever. It's irrelevant whether this is true or not - the fact that another 13 million people consider themselves Jews make the identity legitimate regardless and if somebody claims to be a Jew, who the fuck am I to say otherwise? If someone claims to be a Palestinian, who the fuck am I to say otherwise?

    In any case, identity is not a static thing and it's not mutually exclusive. A Palestinian is usually also an Arab, just like an Israeli is usually also a Jew, but he's not "just a Jew." Just because there's a larger group of people who think of themselves as Arab doesn't make "Palestinian" any less real - by the same logic, most people who consider themselves Jews don't even live in Israel - so what? This doesn't make an Israel identity any less "legitimate" or compromised. But of course that's "us," not "them" so the standards don't apply.
     
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    I think the name Palestinian is a red herring. It is queried to confuse. My own country is quietly changing it's name back to Alba. The name is not important. Having your feet on the ground is. Recent genetic research suggests that Palestinian arabs are probably the closest descendants of the original Jews...so I think if anyone has the right to claim historic Palestine, it is them. Not only are they the closest descendants of the original Jews, they have stayed there - and many may be descended from people prior to even that.

    So the problem is on the one hand we have a people who have lived there for over 3000 years and so believe it is their land and on the other hand we have a people who believe they used to live there 3000 years ago and because of this believe they have the right to throw the people who always have lived there off their land.

    That's the argument. I understand the area has quite a history of being called Palestine. I have also heard the people were not very nationalistic but that certainly does not mean they do not feel that where they have their roots, where they have lived for thousands of years, where there ancestors have worked, played, lived and died is not their home whatever they choose to call it and for the meantime that is Palestine.
     
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