Operation Fast And Furious - WHOOPS

Do you have any proof that Obama or his staff allowed this?
Or maybe it as the idea of a Department of the US govt.
Obama does not run every agency of the govt. personally.

They all reort to him, as POTUS.

As POTUS, he is ultimately responsible for what goes on in his administration.

Yes he is responsible, but even Truman did not know about the atomic bomb until the military decided to use it.

It is not inappropriate for a President to not be aware of technology being developed....new technology being used is another thing...but through its development stage, it is not an issue.

It IS inappropriate for actions to be taken thast may compromise interenational relations without the administrations approval.
 
Fox talking heads spin everything- By far the most misinformed news viewers in the country...I guess they didn't show that survey....or ALL those findings....why half republican voters still think Obama is a Kenyan muslim Marxist, or Saddam had a nuclear program in 2002, etc, etc.
 
Let's just say this got steadier legs because of Melson's decision to testify with his own lawyer, rather than allowing ATF/DOJ lawyers to put the blame on him. Will this reach Obama? Hard to say, unlikely before next election cycle, but Holder? He's in a world of hurt.
 
They all reort to him, as POTUS.

As POTUS, he is ultimately responsible for what goes on in his administration.

Yes he is responsible, but even Truman did not know about the atomic bomb until the military decided to use it.

It is not inappropriate for a President to not be aware of technology being developed....new technology being used is another thing...but through its development stage, it is not an issue.

It IS inappropriate for actions to be taken thast may compromise interenational relations without the administrations approval.

I agree it is inappropriate.
 
Fox talking heads spin everything- By far the most misinformed news viewers in the country...I guess they didn't show that survey....or ALL those findings....why half republican voters still think Obama is a Kenyan muslim Marxist, or Saddam had a nuclear program in 2002, etc, etc.

In other words...you will claim they spun this stopry.......but you cant back it up.

Typical of fox news haters.

BTW......the Pew research center for excellence in journalism is completly non partisan.

Take a look at thier findings about fox.
 
The Obama admin sells guns to drug dealers so they will be able to track them down.

Total fiasco.....

yep, their end game was to impose strict gun laws on Americans. They got people killed. Now if only they had been smart enough to hide the bodies til they became skeletal, they wouldn't have a problem in America cause we wouldn't know how they died. I can't speak for Mexico.
 
"BTW......the Pew research center for excellence in journalism is completly non partisan."


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Fox didn't spin anything.

They just reported the story.

I wonder if the other networks even touched on it??

Talk about idiots. How do you have a plan to follow the weapons and then lose site of the weapons??

AS for Holder I wouldn't be surprised if his smarmy ass didn't land under that big assed bus.

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Anyone killed with these weapons would have been killed anyway- with all the other weapons supplied by border gun shops and shows, protected by Pub lawmakers. I guess Fox viewers now think most guns in Mexico were supplied by Obama personally.
 
"BTW......the Pew research center for excellence in journalism is completly non partisan."


Jon Stewart Was Right About Fox 'News' Viewers Being the Most ...
A 2008 Pew study ranked Fox News last in the number of ‘high knowledge’ viewers and a ... that “a series of new experiments show that misinformation can exercise a ...
Jon Stewart Was Right About Fox 'News' Viewers Being the Most Misinformed Citizens | Media | AlterNet...
Jon Stewart Was Right About Fox 'News' Viewers Being the Most ...
A 2008 Pew study ranked Fox News last in the number of ... in other words, made the misinformation worse.” That's what the “balance” of Fox News is all ...
Jon Stewart Was Right About Fox 'News' Viewers Being the Most Misinformed Citizens | News & Politics | AlterNet...
Fox News Channel controversies - Wikipedia ...
... with the fast-growing Fox News Channel." Another Pew survey of news consumption found that Fox ... "PolitiFact shreds Jon Stewart’s Fox News misinformation claim". Yahoo!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News_Channel_controversies

LMAO...

Please tell me you were kidding when you cited that article.

Please?

I mean...really....are you aware of how they took 3 items of data...three items.....to make a judegment call.

The ISSUE was COMPARED TO THE OTHER CABLE NEWS STATIONS...

LMAO...it is people like you that left wing bloggers LOVE to fool.

You believe whatever they want you to believe.
 
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You know if Bush was in office the left would be going crazy on this but because its Obama they say well maybe he wasnt aware. Double standards at their finest!!
 
When one becomes a liberal, he or she pretends to advocate tolerance, equality and peace, but hilariously, they're doing so for purely selfish reasons. It's the human equivalent of a puppy dog's face: an evolutionary tool designed to enhance survival, reproductive value and status. In short, liberalism is based on one central desire: to look cool in front of others in order to get love. Preaching tolerance makes you look cooler, than saying something like, “please lower my taxes” -- Greg Gutfeld

Thanks for the moronic psychobabble, but it's obvious to everyone but dittoheads that liberals are simply compassionate for the unfortuanate, while elitist megarich have bought off a whole class of pub politicians....
 
Not that a derailing of topics to Fox News isn't always interesting, but as I said, this story is becoming one that can't be ignored:

ATF director testifies on bungled gun operation - The Washington Post

ATF director testifies on bungled gun operation
By Sari Horwitz, Wednesday, July 6, 10:34 AM

Kenneth E. Melson, ATF’s acting director, has told congressional investigators that the FBI and the DEA may have been working with the very people the firearms bureau suspected of gun trafficking and was trying to target in its controversial undercover gun operation known as Fast and Furious.

The now-defunct program allowed the suspected illegal purchase of hundreds of semiautomatic firearms in Arizona gun shops so that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives could watch where the firearms ended up in Mexico, with the hope of bringing down a Mexican cartel. It’s been alleged that the Department of Justice and ATF allowed nearly 2,500 guns to flow illegally into Mexico as part of the program....

...Firearms associated with Fast and Furious have been linked to the killing of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and the murder of a prominent Mexican attorney. Two of the assault rifles purchased by a suspect in the Fast and Furious case were found at the scene of Terry’s Dec. 14 shooting.

Issa and Grassley said that several unnamed sources had told congressional investigators that some of the gun trafficking “higher-ups” whom the ATF was trying to identify through Fast and Furious were already known to other law enforcement agencies, and may even have been paid informants. Melson testified Monday that the ATF was “kept in the dark” about certain activities of other agencies, including DEA and FBI, according to the letter to Holder.

“Mr. Melson said that he learned from ATF agents in the filed that information obtained by these agencies could have had a material impact on the Fast and Furious investigation as far back as late 2009 or early 2010,” the letter said. After learning about this, Melson told congressional investigators that he reported the information in April 2011 to the acting inspector general and directly to then-acting Deputy Attorney General James Cole on June 16...

...Melson’s interview with congressional investigators was originally scheduled through the Justice Department to occur July 13 in the presence of Justice Department and ATF lawyers. But Issa and Grassley said that once Melson was told that he could testify with his lawyer present rather than with counsel representing the department’s interests, he chose that option.

“Acting Director Melson’s cooperation was extremely helpful to our investigation,” Issa and Grassley wrote Holder. “He was candid in admitting mistakes that his agency made and described various ways he says that he tried to remedy the problems.”

Melson told the committees that he and ATF’s senior officials reassigned every manager involved in Fast and Furious after learning the facts of the operation. Melson also said he wanted to be more cooperative in the congressional investigation months ago but was prohibited from talking.

“He said that Justice Department officials directed them not to respond,” Issa and Grassley wrote Holder.

Holder, who testified last month that he only learned of Fast and Furious recently, has asked the Justice Department’s inspector general to investigate the bungled operation.
 
"You know if Bush was in office the left would be going crazy on this but because its Obama they say well maybe he wasnt aware. Double standards at their finest!!"

Total BS. Bush lied and got hundreds of thousands killed, trillions spent. It's doubtful this got ANYONE killed. The Mexicans have guns coming out of their ears, with or without this sting operation. 30,000 killed in 8 years!!
 
When one becomes a liberal, he or she pretends to advocate tolerance, equality and peace, but hilariously, they're doing so for purely selfish reasons. It's the human equivalent of a puppy dog's face: an evolutionary tool designed to enhance survival, reproductive value and status. In short, liberalism is based on one central desire: to look cool in front of others in order to get love. Preaching tolerance makes you look cooler, than saying something like, “please lower my taxes” -- Greg Gutfeld

Thanks for the moronic psychobabble, but it's obvious to everyone but dittoheads that liberals are simply compassionate for the unfortuanate, while elitist megarich have bought off a whole class of pub politicians....

Sadly, you just displayed how naive you are as it pertains to liberalsim...and how those that are comfortable financially view their role in society.

Greg Gutfeld offered HIS interpreatation of liberalism and he TOO showed how naive he is.
 
Do you have any proof that Obama or his staff allowed this?
Or maybe it as the idea of a Department of the US govt.
Obama does not run every agency of the govt. personally.

They all reort to him, as POTUS.

As POTUS, he is ultimately responsible for what goes on in his administration.

Yes he is responsible, but even Truman did not know about the atomic bomb until the military decided to use it.

Not correct...
Key Issues: Nuclear Weapons: History:
On April 12, 1945, after the Cabinet met, soon after he was sworn in at 7:09 p.m., Truman says in his memoirs, that Stimson remained and said he wanted Truman "to know about an immense project that was under way - a project looking to the development of a new explosive of almost unbelievable destructive power." He says this left him puzzled but that "it was the first bit of information that had come to me about the atomic bomb but he gave me no details." He says it was not until the next day that he was told enough to give him some understanding of the developments under way.
Truman knew about it the day of his swearing in.
 
"You know if Bush was in office the left would be going crazy on this but because its Obama they say well maybe he wasnt aware. Double standards at their finest!!"

Total BS. Bush lied and got hundreds of thousands killed, trillions spent. It's doubtful this got ANYONE killed. The Mexicans have guns coming out of their ears, with or without this sting operation. 30,000 killed in 8 years!!

Bush lied?

What did he lie about?

I mean....really....are you still clinging on to that "cherry picked the intel" crap?

You ARE aware that such was used as an "out" by democrats who were accused of being hypocrites for voting FOR the war and then campaigning aginst it when it was popular to be against it?

You are aware of this...no?

Afterall...thousands of my brothers and sisters died in that war...and if congree voted for the war based on lies by the President...you are aware that there would be hours and hours of hearings and likely an inpeachment...if not other legal action against him?

Furthermore.....all other countries had intel that matched ours.....so are you saying that Bush cherry picked THEIR intel as well? If he did, do you truly think no other country would openly complain about it?

Please tell me you were kidding with the "Bush lied" thing. Afterall, all intelligent people on both the left and the right knew exactly what that was all about.
 

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