Operation Fast And Furious - WHOOPS

[hellofromwarsaw]

"Pew says Fox viewers by far most misinformed"... PERIOD. Keep laughing, Foxbot.

 

[Jarhead]

"Pew says Fox viewers by far most misinformed"... PERIOD. Keep laughing, Foxbot.

Pew never said that. You believed an admitted liberal progressive author that said it....without posting the data to support it.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

"Pew says Fox viewers by far most misinformed"... PERIOD. Keep laughing, Foxbot.

Well, of course Fox viewers know that the Clinton surplus was a myth, that Valerie Plame wasn't outed by Karl Rove, that BHO spent 10 years in church with a radical and racist preacher, that he was mentored by an avowed Communist, that the New Deal did NOT end the Great Depression, that 9/11 WAS carried out by Muslim fanatics, that Keynesian economics DO NOT work, that the Stimulus was a slush fund for the Democrats, that Obamacare will be a disaster, that there IS a spending problem, that raising tax rates NEVER accomplish what they set out to do, etc.

Therefore.. according to the loony left... we are misinformed.

 

[Jarhead]

"Pew says Fox viewers by far most misinformed"... PERIOD. Keep laughing, Foxbot.

lol...coming from someone who believed Bush cherry picked intel causing thousands of deaths but never ONCE questioned why there were no hearings regarding his lies.

Coming from someone who said that Fox spun the story regarding the arms sales in Mexico but has YET to show how and when they spun...even though he was asked to back it up.

You, sir, are a charleton.

 

[hellofromwarsaw]

Lots of countries said Bush had no case and wouldn't go along to Iraq, only Afghanistan.

The thing that bothers me most about this case is the law enforcement agencies ONCE AGAIN not communicating. But it COULD have worked, even so.

 

[hellofromwarsaw]

Sir, you don't know what a charlatan IS.

 

[westwall]

Lots of countries said Bush had no case and wouldn't go along to Iraq, only Afghanistan.

The thing that bothers me most about this case is the law enforcement agencies ONCE AGAIN not communicating. But it COULD have worked, even so.

How exactly would it have worked? They had no plan to monitor the weapons once they were out of sight. The reason for the operation in the first place was fraudulent. The Obama Administration wants to show how out of control the "illegal gun trade" is between the US and Mexico.

Their problem was there really weasn't one so they had to manufacture it. That's why this misbegoten operation got started...think Reichstag building just before the Germans invaded Poland.

If you bother to look at the real illegal gun trade into Mexico, it comes from central and south America where AK's can be had for as low as 50 bucks. Real AKs that are select fire full auto weapons...in other words machine guns. Why on Earth would anyone spend hundreds for a semi auto rifle when you can pick up the real thing for 50 bucks?

Riddle us that batman.

 

[hellofromwarsaw]

"he was mentored by an avowed Communist"

and who was that?

 

[hellofromwarsaw]

Sure.

New Report: U.S. Encouraged Gun Sales to Drug Cartels, 70% of ...
Some 70 percent of guns seized in Mexico from 2009 to 2010 came from the United States, according ... No doubt, some of them come from the United States. A lot ...
www.democracynow.org/.../new_report_us_encouraged_gun_sales

 

[Jarhead]

Sir, you don't know what a charlatan IS.

wow. What a great comeback.

 

[westwall]

Sure.

New Report: U.S. Encouraged Gun Sales to Drug Cartels, 70% of ...
Some 70 percent of guns seized in Mexico from 2009 to 2010 came from the United States, according ... No doubt, some of them come from the United States. A lot ...
www.democracynow.org/.../new_report_us_encouraged_gun_sales

Your link is dead and who cares anyway, it's just another leftists group trying to disarm Americans to facilitate the destruction of US sovereignty.

 

[Jarhead]

Sure.

New Report: U.S. Encouraged Gun Sales to Drug Cartels, 70% of ...
Some 70 percent of guns seized in Mexico from 2009 to 2010 came from the United States, according ... No doubt, some of them come from the United States. A lot ...
http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/www.democracynow.org/.../new_report_us_encouraged_gun_sales

Democracy Now! is a United States daily progressive, independently syndicated program of news, analysis, and opinion aired by more than 900 radio, television, (from wikipedia)

So far you have cited "facts" that y7ou have gotten from 2 admittedly progressive orgainizations.

That would be like me citing something Hannity says as fact.

I would never do that without a link to a non partisan report backing it up.

Your posts speaks volumes.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

This is what happens when you put a bunch of perennial college students in charge.

 

[Jarhead]

Lots of countries said Bush had no case and wouldn't go along to Iraq, only Afghanistan.

The thing that bothers me most about this case is the law enforcement agencies ONCE AGAIN not communicating. But it COULD have worked, even so.

Not a single country claimed that Bush cherry picked their intel.

NOT ONE. That means nothing to you?

Instead you believe the words of a few politicians who were responding to attacks of hypocrisy and hgad to come up with some excuse as to why the were FOR the war when it was popular and against the war when it was not popular?

Wow...you are easily fooled.

 

[westwall]

This is what happens when you put a bunch of perennial college students in charge.

More like college dropouts. These clowns have never done anything in the real world.

 

[Conservative]

Sir, you don't know what a charlatan IS.

wow. What a great comeback.

no, it really wasn't.

 

[hellofromwarsaw]

conservatives are deliberately spreading lies and rumors to disparage the Obama administration to the detriment of dialogue
By Steve Ianelli
If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes politics.

In April of 2008, while the presidential election season was already in full swing, a surprising poll figure was released by the Pew Research Center: 10 percent of Americans believed that candidate Barack Obama was Muslim, with a full third of respondents admitting to not knowing his religious beliefs at all.

Among conservative Republicans, 16 percent stated that the president was of Muslim faith. Disregarding the absurdity of this figure coinciding with another 'scandal' being pushed by conservative candidates - that involving Obama's Christian preacher - this is a frighteningly high figure when the man had stated his beliefs outright on multiple occasions.

Now, a year and a half since the inauguration of Imam Hussein Obama, Time magazine has released a new figure: 46 percent of self-identified Republicans believe their president is a Muslim.

Add this to the fact that 41 percent of Republicans do not even believe their president was born in this country, and one starts to wonder where these people are getting their information.

This disregard for reality is not an anomaly in the American right; it is quickly becoming the norm. We saw it under the Bush administration with the Iraq War, when every major government official repeated the lie about weapons of mass destruction until it became dangerous to even question it (just ask Valerie Plame).

We saw it during election season 2004 and 2006 when the GOP convinced their voters that Democrats wanted terrorism to succeed. We saw it again in election season 2008 with the accusations of treason, terrorism, socialism, Marxism and the birther movement.

The technique is simple: you never actually have to say, "President Obama is a Muslim" or, "The President wants to destroy capitalism." You merely need Rush Limbaugh or Michelle Bachmann to raise the question.

It is not about making the statement - it is about raising the question. And once the idea takes hold, it spreads like wildfire.

The NYC 'mosque' (read: community center with a Muslim prayer space) is all the rage these days, as GOP candidates further the notion that this might be a terrorist recruiting center that could be funded by terror money and there may be a chance it represents a monument to victory.

Even the sciences are not safe from political 'debate'. In New Hamsphire, every GOP senate candidate is a global warming denier. In New Mexico - despite multiple forecasts of impending drought in the state - all GOP gubernatorial candidates are global warming deniers.

While the rest of the civilized world struggles to find a solution to the impending climate crisis, scientists in the United States still struggle to convince the populace that the problem even exists.

But as we have all seen, you don't need to make the statement - just plant the seed. Of course Michelle Obama isn't trying to force the country's children to only eat what she deems suitable.

But raise the question, and the damage is done. Obviously the Nuclear Security Summit logo was not designed to reflect Obama's Muslim faith.

But make the suggestion, and the damage is done. And you would have to be insane to think that Obama's healthcare logo really looks like a Nazi swastika. But photoshop the images together, and you get the point.

So who do we blame for the banner of misinformation that flies proudly above the GOP? No one would hesitate to point fingers at the people who start the lies - the Palins and Bachmanns and Limbaughs of politics and punditry. But where is the responsible leadership?

Michael Steele, punching bag for his own party, is one apology away from literally kissing Rush Limbaugh's ass. Newt Gingrich, a strong GOP contender for the 2012 presidential election, doesn't hesitate to repeat the lies surrounding the Muslim community center. Even John McCain, once touted as a moderate conservative, was reluctant to dismiss every factually devoid rumor that came his way in 2008.




And even more absurd than the lies peddled by the political right is the complete disinterest in countering them from the left.

As President Obama's approval rating holds steady even after multiple political victories, all Democrats can do is roll their eyes while the demagoguery takes hold.

The smear machine created by the right is crippling meaningful deliberation, and is impervious to reason.

Left leaning voters express a continued lack of interest in politics, with 62 percent of conservatives expressing 'a lot' of interest in the upcoming election and only 41 percent of liberals and moderates expressing similar concern.

I am happy to see the citizens of this country get involved in politics, and I am especially happy to see that the party out of power continues to fight for their beliefs. But where are they getting these ridiculous ideas? And why are their leaders and politicians not willing to fight for the truth?

Talk show hosts like Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly shamelessly and emotionally make assertions on issues ranging from Michelle Obama's leisure activiities to lies about the President's birth certificate.

 

[hellofromwarsaw]

can't even SPELL charlatan- "charleton" is pathetic....

 

[Jarhead]

can't even SPELL charlatan- "charleton" is pathetic....

wow....mispelling a word I rarely type out is quite pathetic indeed.

Of course using the articles of known left/right wing bloggers and authors as proof of fact is NOT pathetic.

Yep....you truly are a charlAtAn

 

[hellofromwarsaw]

Every word you say is Fox/Rush/Pub BS, and provably so, to anyone but ignorant, brainwashed dittoheads

"Not a single country claimed that Bush cherry picked their intel."

France certainly did (in the most polite and diplomatic way), and they were stampeded by jingoist, demagogging "patriots" and loudmouth dittoheads in a rush to war. The rest of the world voted with their feet, not having anything to do with attackong Iraq. (except Blair, who was ruined).

This story is more pubspin from overwrought ignorami...Turn off the BS.