NYC Abandons Merit Pay

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/18/education/18rand.html?_r=1

    Surprise. Surprise. Children are not widgets?
     
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    i've always wondered how someone can 'teach harder'
     
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    'bout time they figured it out. :thup:
     
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    This really annoyed me. Christie doesn't get it. Children are not widgets.

    Christie Still Supports Merit Pay For Teachers - New Jersey 101.5 FM
     
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    You obviously have never attended a NYC public school.
     
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    Jersey schools are outperforming NY schools....
     
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    i haven't. but there are so many factors outside of a teacher's control when it comes to student performance that it just seems to me that tieing pay to student performance is a crazy idea.

    i get that there are lazy teachers out there - but i still believe that they are the exception, not the rule.
     
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    There still has to be a way to measure performance for teachers, and there still should be a way to get rid of ones who don't do thier job. I get a yearly performance review in my job, and if I don't do what I get paid for I can get let go.

    This is a problem endemic to public jobs in general, where it is far easier to find a "window job" for underperforming employees than get rid of them, forcing other people to do the bad employee's job, or force the government to hire more people.

    If a teacher has no fear of losing thier job do to mediocrity, all you will get in 80% of the cases is mediocrity. There will be some who do thier job because of duty, but people, are people.
     
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    It depends on the system, and how hard it is to be fired.... It's a combination of things.


    #1 is the parents, if they don't care, the kids don't care and I agree teachers cant make a kid that doesn't care care if his homelife instills this belief system here.

    But this is easily remidied, by documenting and logging the problem kids when you go to your performance report.

    Merit pay shouldn't be a death pact, however it should be part of an overall solution.
     
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    The merit pay system seems logical if applied correctly. It certainly works well in private industry. But it should be based on more than just the student's overall scores improving.
     
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