Most importantly we need to create jobs, increasing taxes helps attain that how?

[Shogun]

Feels like the old days at USMB again.

In this particular situation, I'll take credit for that. To one noobsauce add a healthy dash of Shogun brand (tm) mudhole and...

 

[Neotrotsky]

the laughable nature of your logical fallacy gives me the giggles. That you believe Obama is at fault is neither here nor there. After all, you would insist that Obama is the reason Volcanoes erupt and forests catch fire. But, as icing to this shit-flavored cake you are baking, you LEAP to the assumption that "if the state of the economy isn't Obama's fault then you can't acknowledge when the economy started tanking during Bush's term".

HILARIOUS!

Indeed, a great many right wing policies are to blame for this shitty economy but the President doesn't force anything through congress. That, you poor silly fucker, is the pin to your logic balloon. Like i said, I don't blame Bush for the FACT that the economy soured during his term. I do, however, blame you stupid free market capitalistas who would sell out America to the cheapest Mexican bidder while looking for any reason to allow 2% of the population to hoard as much wealth as possible. These policies were no more the sole directive of Bush than your blame game is reflective of Obama.

But, one more time, it's pretty obvious that you would blame Obama for the waxing and waning of the moon so... I guess, when you post, readers will just have to consider the source.

Indeed!
Just as your sophomoric statements, use of questionable logic, facts and dependency on profanity, tells the readers all they need to know about the quality of your postings.

I have no doubt when they compare our postings, yours will stand out for exactly what they are...

Indeed, one of us is absolutely destroying the other's "OMG, THE SKY IS FALLING BECAUSE OF OBAMA" posts while the other is trembling at his keyboard and trying to figure out how Obama caused it. The reader will know which posts avoid sounding like a Jeff Dunham puppet.

You left out the best part

"I have no doubt when they compare our postings, yours will stand out for exactly what they are..., unoriginal statements from another boorish leftist"


Did you ever notice how the posters who claim they "won" the argument in some fashion, never really do
Funny how that works...

Trembling, well hey it is your story and you can tell anyway you want.

 

[Shogun]

Indeed!
Just as your sophomoric statements, use of questionable logic, facts and dependency on profanity, tells the readers all they need to know about the quality of your postings.

I have no doubt when they compare our postings, yours will stand out for exactly what they are...

Indeed, one of us is absolutely destroying the other's "OMG, THE SKY IS FALLING BECAUSE OF OBAMA" posts while the other is trembling at his keyboard and trying to figure out how Obama caused it. The reader will know which posts avoid sounding like a Jeff Dunham puppet.

You left out the best part

"I have no doubt when they compare our postings, yours will stand out for exactly what they are..., unoriginal statements from another boorish leftist"


Did you ever notice how the posters who claim they "won" the argument in some fashion, never really do
Funny how that works...

Trembling, well hey it is your story and you can tell anyway you want.

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neotrotsky 0

Cheer up, fella! I'm sure Obama can be blamed somehow!

 

[Neotrotsky]

Indeed, one of us is absolutely destroying the other's "OMG, THE SKY IS FALLING BECAUSE OF OBAMA" posts while the other is trembling at his keyboard and trying to figure out how Obama caused it. The reader will know which posts avoid sounding like a Jeff Dunham puppet.

You left out the best part

"I have no doubt when they compare our postings, yours will stand out for exactly what they are..., unoriginal statements from another boorish leftist"


Did you ever notice how the posters who claim they "won" the argument in some fashion, never really do
Funny how that works...

Trembling, well hey it is your story and you can tell anyway you want.

Shogun 1
neotrotsky 0

Cheer up, fella! I'm sure Obama can be blamed somehow!

How original, you voted for yourself. Must be using the "look how many jobs we saved calculations method"

And you can keep on blaming Bush,
If the economy ever improves will that be Bush's fault, as well?



Again
Did you ever notice how the posters who claim they "won" the argument in some fashion, never really do

 

[Too Tall]

Please explain to me how raising taxes is going to help create jobs.

Easing taxes and regulations can help to create jobs which in turn will broaden the tax base which will increase revenue.

So again explain the path from raising taxes to jobs for me please.

I thought it was obvious.

Since the wealthy are sitting on unspent and uninvested trillions and corporations are making the largest profits in history, throwing money at them obviously doesn't spur job growth.

Whether it's in the form of "subsidies". Or "tax breaks". After all, they live in this country too. They get to use the "facilities". They know it's a stable and "safe haven". Time to "pay" for some of that "safe haven".

So you get them to pay a "FAIR SHARE", then you use that money on roads, tunnels, the electrical grid, bridges and so on. Or innovation, research and education. (oh the right hates education)

Why the the right wing finds this so "left" and "out there" is a mystery to me. Since the report that 70,000 bridges are unsafe and after the one in the midwest fell down during rush hour, I tense every time I cross a bridge. Is this one of the 70,000?

And what do roads and bridges do? How about "connect communities" which always makes even more "job opportunities".

Why doesn't the right understand? Is it the lack of imagination?

I want FAIR SHARE defined!

The top-earning 5 percent of taxpayers (AGI over $159,619), however, still paid far more than the bottom 95 percent. The top 5 percent earned 34.7 percent of the nation's adjusted gross income, but paid approximately 58.7 percent of federal individual income taxes.

The Tax Foundation - Summary of Latest Federal Individual Income Tax Data

 

[Neotrotsky]

Please explain to me how raising taxes is going to help create jobs.

Easing taxes and regulations can help to create jobs which in turn will broaden the tax base which will increase revenue.

So again explain the path from raising taxes to jobs for me please.

I thought it was obvious.

Since the wealthy are sitting on unspent and uninvested trillions and corporations are making the largest profits in history, throwing money at them obviously doesn't spur job growth.

Whether it's in the form of "subsidies". Or "tax breaks". After all, they live in this country too. They get to use the "facilities". They know it's a stable and "safe haven". Time to "pay" for some of that "safe haven".

So you get them to pay a "FAIR SHARE", then you use that money on roads, tunnels, the electrical grid, bridges and so on. Or innovation, research and education. (oh the right hates education)

Why the the right wing finds this so "left" and "out there" is a mystery to me. Since the report that 70,000 bridges are unsafe and after the one in the midwest fell down during rush hour, I tense every time I cross a bridge. Is this one of the 70,000?

And what do roads and bridges do? How about "connect communities" which always makes even more "job opportunities".

Why doesn't the right understand? Is it the lack of imagination?

I want FAIR SHARE defined!

The top-earning 5 percent of taxpayers (AGI over $159,619), however, still paid far more than the bottom 95 percent. The top 5 percent earned 34.7 percent of the nation's adjusted gross income, but paid approximately 58.7 percent of federal individual income taxes.

The Tax Foundation - Summary of Latest Federal Individual Income Tax Data

Truth is hard for the Left, in fact it is their worst enemy

Just so you know, nothing is Papa Obama's fault because a President can't do anything to the economy
But, they want you to know unemployment went up under Bush

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Unemployment is up again.

How long are you libs gonna push this tax and spend solution?

IT'S NOT WORKING.

The boat your trying to float is taking on too much water. It's time to dry dock Barrak.

 

[FactFinder]

Ya'all are all wet and focusing in the wrong directions. Until you get the speculators out of the energy markets and energy is once again perceived as affordable the economy is going nowhere. All your sniping about irrelevant bullcrap is fruitless.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Unemployment is up again.

How long are you libs gonna push this tax and spend solution?

IT'S NOT WORKING.

The boat your trying to float is taking on too much water. It's time to dry dock Barrak.

Hey according to the left

Just so you know, nothing is Papa Obama's fault because a President can't do anything to the economy
But, they want you to know that unemployment went up under Bush

No doubt, they will be blaming Bush if the economy improves.
Since there is little chance of that happening, I doubt they will have to worry about it

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Ya'all are all wet and focusing in the wrong directions. Until you get the speculators out of the energy markets and energy is once again perceived as affordable the economy is going nowhere. All your sniping about irrelevant bullcrap is fruitless.

Your right taxes and unemployment aren't important. What was I thinking? Stupid me.....

 

[FactFinder]

Ya'all are all wet and focusing in the wrong directions. Until you get the speculators out of the energy markets and energy is once again perceived as affordable the economy is going nowhere. All your sniping about irrelevant bullcrap is fruitless.

Your right taxes and unemployment aren't important. What was I thinking? Stupid me.....

Get people feeling some confidence again rather than feeling like they are being raked over the coals and the economy will sprout wings. Grannndpaaa!

 

[bripat9643]

How would a tax increase produce a single job?

It would allow small businesses to compete.

How?

There are a lot of companies in this country that are "too big to fail" and that needs to change.

What does that have to do with tax increases creating jobs?

Capitalism can't succeed with a bunch of huge corporations that control all the wealth in the country. If you look at the income inequality in this country right now, that is pretty good proof that I'm right.

You failed to explain how tax increases create jobs. All you did was whine about big corporations and income inequality.

 

[bripat9643]

Actually you are wrong. Enough redistribution of wealth to insure all have an equal opportunity to succeed is the American Ideal and has been for centuries.

Says who? Only losers and lazy parasites agree with that theory.

No redistribution of wealth is a facist ideal not an American ideal.

Wrong. Redistribution of wealth was one of the main planks of the Nazi party platform.

Redistrubution of wealth to attempt to guaranteee equal results is the socialist ideal and is equally wrong as no redistribution of wealth at all.

You haven't proven either proposition.

 

[FactFinder]

Tax increases won't promote jobs but it will give the majority of Americans a sense of fair play. The rich have been getting richer at the expense of the middle class and everyone damn well knows it. Who in this environment can feel confident to do anything but crouch behind a wall?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Ya'all are all wet and focusing in the wrong directions. Until you get the speculators out of the energy markets and energy is once again perceived as affordable the economy is going nowhere. All your sniping about irrelevant bullcrap is fruitless.

Your right taxes and unemployment aren't important. What was I thinking? Stupid me.....

Get people feeling some confidence again rather than feeling like they are being raked over the coals and the economy will sprout wings. Grannndpaaa!

People will never feel good when the only ones pumping money into our economy is uncle sam. The free markets will never prosper when 40% of the gdp is government spending.

Obama dumped part of our oil reserves into the market in a brilliant attempt to lower prices. The next day crude prices spiked dramatically. My gas has gone UP .20 per gallon in the last week.......

You may now try again.................

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Tax increases won't promote jobs but it will give the majority of Americans a sense of fair play. The rich have been getting richer at the expense of the middle class and everyone damn well knows it. Who in this environment can feel confident to do anything but crouch behind a wall?

a "sense" of fairplay is nothing more than a play on words. Poor people arent not buying new tv's because the rich are under taxed.

We need real solutions not campaign slogans....

 

[Shogun]

You left out the best part

"I have no doubt when they compare our postings, yours will stand out for exactly what they are..., unoriginal statements from another boorish leftist"


Did you ever notice how the posters who claim they "won" the argument in some fashion, never really do
Funny how that works...

Trembling, well hey it is your story and you can tell anyway you want.

Shogun 1
neotrotsky 0

Cheer up, fella! I'm sure Obama can be blamed somehow!

How original, you voted for yourself. Must be using the "look how many jobs we saved calculations method"

And you can keep on blaming Bush,
If the economy ever improves will that be Bush's fault, as well?



Again
Did you ever notice how the posters who claim they "won" the argument in some fashion, never really do

Quote where I "blamed Bush" and I'll show you one more situation in which you are disingenuous as hell and stupid to boot. In fact, I've been pretty clear that I don't blame Bush singularly.


Ever notice how those who've just had a mudhole stomped in their ass are quick to keep repeating themselves as if it makes up for the PWNT moment in the thread?

"I'm pretty sure Obama is to blame for this hand stuck up my ass!"

 

[Neotrotsky]

How would a tax increase produce a single job?

It would allow small businesses to compete.

How?

There are a lot of companies in this country that are "too big to fail" and that needs to change.

What does that have to do with tax increases creating jobs?

Capitalism can't succeed with a bunch of huge corporations that control all the wealth in the country. If you look at the income inequality in this country right now, that is pretty good proof that I'm right.

You failed to explain how tax increases create jobs. All you did was whine about big corporations and income inequality.

They can't. They can't run on Papa Obama's dismal record so they are trying class envy
The Democrats or The Party of STILL Not Getting It; is still NOT getting it.
At this point, you could take every penny of people making over $250,000/year and it would not make a difference in our total debt.

This plan works best for the party when they are out of power. For example, if there was a Republican in the WH and the economy was this bad then they would get the most bang for their buck.
Not being the case, at best it just sounds disingenuous and desperate.


but when one considers....
(mind you, none of this, according to the Left is Papa Obama's fault but they do want you to know that unemployment started to increase under Bush)

#1 In January 2009, the official U.S. unemployment rate was 7.6 percent. Today it is 9.1 percent.

#2 When Barack Obama took office, the number of "long-term unemployed" in the United States was approximately 2.6 million. Today, that number is up to 6.2 million.

#3 When Barack Obama first became president, the average price of a gallon of gasoline in the United States was $1.83. Today it is $3.79. This also affects the price of almost everything else that we buy.

#4 In April 2009, the average U.S. household spent approximately $201 on gasoline. In April 2011, the average U.S. household spent approximately $369 on gasoline.

#5 According to an article in the Daily Mail, the cost of a Memorial Day cookout was 29 percent higher this year than it was last year.

#6 When Barack Obama was sworn in, there were nearly 32 million Americans on food stamps. Today, there are more than 44 million on food stamps.

#7 According to the U.S. Census, the number of children living in poverty has gone up by about 2 million in just the past 2 years.

#8 When Barack Obama took office, the U.S. national debt was 10.6 trillion dollars. Today it is 14.3 trillion dollars.

#9 The federal government has borrowed 29,660 more dollars per household since Barack Obama signed the economic stimulus law two years ago.

#10 During Barack Obama's first two years in office, the U.S. government added more to the U.S. national debt than the first 100 U.S. Congresses combined.

#11 The combined debt of the major GSEs (Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and Sallie Mae) has increased from 3.2 trillion in 2008 to 6.4 trillion in 2011. Thanks to George W. Bush, Barack Obama and the U.S. Congress, U.S. taxpayers are standing behind that debt.

#12 Under Obama, the U.S. trade deficit continues to grow. The trade deficit was about 33 percent larger in 2010 than it was in 2009, and the 2011 trade deficit is expected to be even bigger.

#13 Only 66.8% of American men had a job last year. That was the lowest level that has ever been recorded in all of U.S. history.

#14 Just since August, 2 million more Americans have left the labor force.

#15 In 2010, more than a million U.S. families lost their homes to foreclosure for the first time ever, and that number is expected to go even higher in 2011.

#16 The U.S. real estate crisis just continues to get worse. During the first three months of this year, less new homes were sold in the U.S. than in any three month period ever recorded.

#17 The U.S. dollar has fallen by 17 percent compared to other major national currencies since 2009.

#18 Faith in the U.S. dollar and in U.S. Treasuries is rapidly declining. The mainstream news is not reporting on it much, but right now the Chinese are rapidly dumping U.S. government debt. That is not a good sign.

#19 When Barack Obama first took office, an ounce of gold was going for about $850. Today an ounce of gold costs about $1500.

#20 Americans seem to be more pessimistic about the economy than ever. According to a brand new poll, 61 percent of Americans believe that they will not return to their "pre-recession" lifestyles until at least 2014.
​

WHY? Because it is all they have left

It works with some in their base; but really, who would else would they vote for..?
At best, these keeps the base happy and serious Democratic challengers to the President limited.

They would not a repeat of Carter's second primary election.
However, it may be too late for the final outcome for Obama.

 

[Shogun]

Unemployment is up again.

How long are you libs gonna push this tax and spend solution?

IT'S NOT WORKING.

The boat your trying to float is taking on too much water. It's time to dry dock Barrak.

Hey according to the left

Just so you know, nothing is Papa Obama's fault because a President can't do anything to the economy
But, they want you to know that unemployment went up under Bush

No doubt, they will be blaming Bush if the economy improves.
Since there is little chance of that happening, I doubt they will have to worry about it

rattle on, you one trick pony!

 

[Neotrotsky]

Unemployment is up again.

How long are you libs gonna push this tax and spend solution?

IT'S NOT WORKING.

The boat your trying to float is taking on too much water. It's time to dry dock Barrak.

Hey according to the left

Just so you know, nothing is Papa Obama's fault because a President can't do anything to the economy
But, they want you to know that unemployment went up under Bush

No doubt, they will be blaming Bush if the economy improves.
Since there is little chance of that happening, I doubt they will have to worry about it

rattle on, you one trick pony!

Speaking of "one trick pony"- yours awaits you in the enchanted world of "Never Never Blame Obama Land"
(but did you know unemployment started to increase under Bush)

Thanks for reminding me

Then again you might prefer this kind- hey to each his own- we won't tell your mother