Missouri Republicans are trying to ban food stamp recipients from buying steak and seafood

[bertramhall]

I agree with cheeps, energy drinks and cookies. But people need protein to be healthy. What`s the problem in letting them buy a good steak or seafood for dinner? I think that health worth it.

 

[Moonglow]

The biggest abuse is by providers of welfare services, not the individuals on welfare.

Example?

The True Face of Medicare Fraud
A $712 million bust, the biggest in U.S. history, shows that the people most likely to bilk the system are doctors and medical providers, not “welfare queens.”The Real Medicare Fraudsters Aren't 'Welfare Queens'

 

[Andylusion]

The biggest abuse is by providers of welfare services, not the individuals on welfare.

Example?

The True Face of Medicare Fraud
A $712 million bust, the biggest in U.S. history, shows that the people most likely to bilk the system are doctors and medical providers, not “welfare queens.”The Real Medicare Fraudsters Aren't 'Welfare Queens'

I see. Well, that is true, but the problem is you are ignoring the reason.

First off, government has every reason to encourage fraud, and little incentive to stop it. If they start cutting people off, with 52 Million enrollees, it's unavoidable that at some point, someone who isn't committing fraud will be cut. When that happens, whoever the opposition is, will end up skewering whoever is in power over it.

When you look at the last three presidents, which one has been skewered over Medicare fraud? None. Yet fraud was a massive since the 90s at least.

Government, by it's very nature, is geared towards fraud and milking the system. This is why we're against government involvement as much as possible. In the case of health care, at all.

Second, the way that medicare works, makes it nearly impossible for medicare providers to exist, without defrauding the system. It's pretty easy to scream about health care providers committing fraud, but then ignore the reasons why.

As we have said many times in the past, Medicare and more so Medicaid, both pay LESS than the cost of providing treatment. When you are being paid $100, for treatment which costs $150, how do you survive? By adding on massive additional services. We did another scan, which was $50, even if it never happened.

This is yet another reason why government has every incentive to let fraud continue, and no incentive to stop it. If the government actually cracked down on fraud, thousands of health care providers, would stop servicing Medicare patients. Then opposition in the government would skewer the administration.

Lastly, it's questionable how much of the fraud is due exclusively to the doctor, and how much is with the patient. I had a co-worker who openly told me he was collecting pills from the doctor, and selling them.

Years ago he had an accident, and had back pain, which he was taking Oxycontin. But over a couple of years, the back pain went away, but he kept going to the doctor and getting the pills, on Medicare, so he could sell them.

The doctor knew, but it was a great way to get paid by medicare for doing nothing. Of course if the patient had refused to take anymore, that would have ended it. The patient has to be in on it, for the scam to work.

My main point again, is that this still leads back to government being the key problem.

 

[Dragonlady]

What a chickenshit response. That's like saying "If banks didn't exist, there'd be no bank robbers. So let's blame the banks".

If not for Medicaid, how many of your nation's sick would get regular medical care? You already have the lowest population service rate in the developed work.

Before Obamacare, 45,000 Americans died each year because they couldn't afford healthcare.

 

[RKMBrown]

What a chickenshit response. That's like saying "If banks didn't exist, there'd be no bank robbers. So let's blame the banks".

If not for Medicaid, how many of your nation's sick would get regular medical care? You already have the lowest population service rate in the developed work.

Before Obamacare, 45,000 Americans died each year because they couldn't afford healthcare.

Bullshit. Those 45k americans died cause they didn't want to buy expensive healthcare driven UP BY YOU SOCIALIST PIECE OF SHIT BASTARDS or receive free healthcare at the free clinic or get on medicaid you dumb shit.

 

[Andylusion]

What a chickenshit response. That's like saying "If banks didn't exist, there'd be no bank robbers. So let's blame the banks".

If not for Medicaid, how many of your nation's sick would get regular medical care? You already have the lowest population service rate in the developed work.

Before Obamacare, 45,000 Americans died each year because they couldn't afford healthcare.

Prove it. You show me one person, a specific individual, who couldn't get Obama care, and thus was refused any treatment at a hospital. You people just make up lies, and that's the basis for your whole ideology. Lying-Left. The party of liars. All of you. Every single one. This is why Clinton has so much support from your group of liars. The Clintons lie as much as all of you do.

 

[Moonglow]

What a chickenshit response. That's like saying "If banks didn't exist, there'd be no bank robbers. So let's blame the banks".

If not for Medicaid, how many of your nation's sick would get regular medical care? You already have the lowest population service rate in the developed work.

Before Obamacare, 45,000 Americans died each year because they couldn't afford healthcare.

Prove it. You show me one person, a specific individual, who couldn't get Obama care, and thus was refused any treatment at a hospital. You people just make up lies, and that's the basis for your whole ideology. Lying-Left. The party of liars. All of you. Every single one. This is why Clinton has so much support from your group of liars. The Clintons lie as much as all of you do.

I do not support any Clinton, evidently you are not worth discussing the issue with.

 

[Andylusion]

What a chickenshit response. That's like saying "If banks didn't exist, there'd be no bank robbers. So let's blame the banks".

If not for Medicaid, how many of your nation's sick would get regular medical care? You already have the lowest population service rate in the developed work.

Before Obamacare, 45,000 Americans died each year because they couldn't afford healthcare.

Prove it. You show me one person, a specific individual, who couldn't get Obama care, and thus was refused any treatment at a hospital. You people just make up lies, and that's the basis for your whole ideology. Lying-Left. The party of liars. All of you. Every single one. This is why Clinton has so much support from your group of liars. The Clintons lie as much as all of you do.

I do not support any Clinton, evidently you are not worth discussing the issue with.

Are you so dumb, you can't even read who I was responding too? Agreed. Stop talking. You are not worth discussing the issue with, when you can't even read the post.

 

[Dragonlady]

What a chickenshit response. That's like saying "If banks didn't exist, there'd be no bank robbers. So let's blame the banks".

If not for Medicaid, how many of your nation's sick would get regular medical care? You already have the lowest population service rate in the developed work.

Before Obamacare, 45,000 Americans died each year because they couldn't afford healthcare.

Prove it. You show me one person, a specific individual, who couldn't get Obama care, and thus was refused any treatment at a hospital. You people just make up lies, and that's the basis for your whole ideology. Lying-Left. The party of liars. All of you. Every single one. This is why Clinton has so much support from your group of liars. The Clintons lie as much as all of you do.

Another knee jerk response without reading the post. My post specifically said "Before Obamacare, 45,000 people died each year because they could not afford health care". That's not a lie. I don't know what those figures are today.

That's not a lie, that's a fact that even the GOP acknowledged to be true.

You go on about waiting lists for treatment in Canada and the UK but more people die in the US for lack of insurance than die in single payer countries waiting for care.

 

[Meathead]

What a chickenshit response. That's like saying "If banks didn't exist, there'd be no bank robbers. So let's blame the banks".

If not for Medicaid, how many of your nation's sick would get regular medical care? You already have the lowest population service rate in the developed work.

Before Obamacare, 45,000 Americans died each year because they couldn't afford healthcare.

Prove it. You show me one person, a specific individual, who couldn't get Obama care, and thus was refused any treatment at a hospital. You people just make up lies, and that's the basis for your whole ideology. Lying-Left. The party of liars. All of you. Every single one. This is why Clinton has so much support from your group of liars. The Clintons lie as much as all of you do.

Another knee jerk response without reading the post. My post specifically said "Before Obamacare, 45,000 people died each year because they could not afford health care". That's not a lie. I don't know what those figures are today.

That's not a lie, that's a fact that even the GOP acknowledged to be true.

You go on about waiting lists for treatment in Canada and the UK but more people die in the US for lack of insurance than die in single payer countries waiting for care.

Idiot, how can you possibly come up with a statistic like that?

 

[Boss]

Before Obamacare, 45,000 people died each year because they could not afford health care...

And today, 45,000,000 people can't get health care insurance. ...THANKS OBAMA!

 

[Andylusion]

What a chickenshit response. That's like saying "If banks didn't exist, there'd be no bank robbers. So let's blame the banks".

If not for Medicaid, how many of your nation's sick would get regular medical care? You already have the lowest population service rate in the developed work.

Before Obamacare, 45,000 Americans died each year because they couldn't afford healthcare.

Prove it. You show me one person, a specific individual, who couldn't get Obama care, and thus was refused any treatment at a hospital. You people just make up lies, and that's the basis for your whole ideology. Lying-Left. The party of liars. All of you. Every single one. This is why Clinton has so much support from your group of liars. The Clintons lie as much as all of you do.

Another knee jerk response without reading the post. My post specifically said "Before Obamacare, 45,000 people died each year because they could not afford health care". That's not a lie. I don't know what those figures are today.

That's not a lie, that's a fact that even the GOP acknowledged to be true.

You go on about waiting lists for treatment in Canada and the UK but more people die in the US for lack of insurance than die in single payer countries waiting for care.

No sorry, you are just a liar. You are a LYING leftist. I know exactly what you said. 45,000 people died because they could not afford health care. NAME ONE. It is a lie. You are a liar. Flat out, you are a typical, Clintonesk lying pile of putrid trash.

Just keep lying. Lie over and over, and I'll keep calling you the lying scum sucking bottom feeder that you are.

 

[Andylusion]

What a chickenshit response. That's like saying "If banks didn't exist, there'd be no bank robbers. So let's blame the banks".

If not for Medicaid, how many of your nation's sick would get regular medical care? You already have the lowest population service rate in the developed work.

Before Obamacare, 45,000 Americans died each year because they couldn't afford healthcare.

Prove it. You show me one person, a specific individual, who couldn't get Obama care, and thus was refused any treatment at a hospital. You people just make up lies, and that's the basis for your whole ideology. Lying-Left. The party of liars. All of you. Every single one. This is why Clinton has so much support from your group of liars. The Clintons lie as much as all of you do.

Another knee jerk response without reading the post. My post specifically said "Before Obamacare, 45,000 people died each year because they could not afford health care". That's not a lie. I don't know what those figures are today.

That's not a lie, that's a fact that even the GOP acknowledged to be true.

You go on about waiting lists for treatment in Canada and the UK but more people die in the US for lack of insurance than die in single payer countries waiting for care.

Idiot, how can you possibly come up with a statistic like that?

It's not entirely her fault. Some scum sucking left-wing think tank, made up a bunch of estimates, used those estimates, to build some educated guesses, that based on assumptions, such and such number of people die every year from lack of ***INSURANCE***.

The problem with these mindless lying idiots is that it is ILLEGAL FOR A HOSPITAL TO NOT TREAT SOMEONE.

But that doesn't stop these lying fools from spewing their puked up sewage, over and over.

I HAVE BEEN TO A HOSPITAL WHEN I DID NOT HAVE INSURANCE.... I still got treated DragonLiar!

 

[Boss]

What a chickenshit response. That's like saying "If banks didn't exist, there'd be no bank robbers. So let's blame the banks".

If not for Medicaid, how many of your nation's sick would get regular medical care? You already have the lowest population service rate in the developed work.

Before Obamacare, 45,000 Americans died each year because they couldn't afford healthcare.

Prove it. You show me one person, a specific individual, who couldn't get Obama care, and thus was refused any treatment at a hospital. You people just make up lies, and that's the basis for your whole ideology. Lying-Left. The party of liars. All of you. Every single one. This is why Clinton has so much support from your group of liars. The Clintons lie as much as all of you do.

Another knee jerk response without reading the post. My post specifically said "Before Obamacare, 45,000 people died each year because they could not afford health care". That's not a lie. I don't know what those figures are today.

That's not a lie, that's a fact that even the GOP acknowledged to be true.

You go on about waiting lists for treatment in Canada and the UK but more people die in the US for lack of insurance than die in single payer countries waiting for care.

Idiot, how can you possibly come up with a statistic like that?

It's not entirely her fault. Some scum sucking left-wing think tank, made up a bunch of estimates, used those estimates, to build some educated guesses, that based on assumptions, such and such number of people die every year from lack of ***INSURANCE***.

The problem with these mindless lying idiots is that it is ILLEGAL FOR A HOSPITAL TO NOT TREAT SOMEONE.

But that doesn't stop these lying fools from spewing their puked up sewage, over and over.

I HAVE BEEN TO A HOSPITAL WHEN I DID NOT HAVE INSURANCE.... I still got treated DragonLiar!

YES! ...I meant to ask DrugdupLady if we can interview the family and friends of these unfortunate 45k dead people... We need to know why no one bothered to inform them about indigent care laws or Medicaid. Seems like they would have... If I had a sick friend who didn't have insurance, I'd let them know about this before they died.

 

[Dragonlady]

Here is the 2009 Harvard Study which established that number:

New study finds 45,000 deaths annually linked to lack of health coverage

 

[jon_berzerk]

What a chickenshit response. That's like saying "If banks didn't exist, there'd be no bank robbers. So let's blame the banks".

If not for Medicaid, how many of your nation's sick would get regular medical care? You already have the lowest population service rate in the developed work.

Before Obamacare, 45,000 Americans died each year because they couldn't afford healthcare.

Prove it. You show me one person, a specific individual, who couldn't get Obama care, and thus was refused any treatment at a hospital. You people just make up lies, and that's the basis for your whole ideology. Lying-Left. The party of liars. All of you. Every single one. This is why Clinton has so much support from your group of liars. The Clintons lie as much as all of you do.

Another knee jerk response without reading the post. My post specifically said "Before Obamacare, 45,000 people died each year because they could not afford health care". That's not a lie. I don't know what those figures are today.

That's not a lie, that's a fact that even the GOP acknowledged to be true.

You go on about waiting lists for treatment in Canada and the UK but more people die in the US for lack of insurance than die in single payer countries waiting for care.

Idiot, how can you possibly come up with a statistic like that?

It's not entirely her fault. Some scum sucking left-wing think tank, made up a bunch of estimates, used those estimates, to build some educated guesses, that based on assumptions, such and such number of people die every year from lack of ***INSURANCE***.

The problem with these mindless lying idiots is that it is ILLEGAL FOR A HOSPITAL TO NOT TREAT SOMEONE.

But that doesn't stop these lying fools from spewing their puked up sewage, over and over.

I HAVE BEEN TO A HOSPITAL WHEN I DID NOT HAVE INSURANCE.... I still got treated DragonLiar!

i got two heart surgeries without insurance

leftards need to lie

to sell their utopia

 

[Moonglow]

What a chickenshit response. That's like saying "If banks didn't exist, there'd be no bank robbers. So let's blame the banks".

If not for Medicaid, how many of your nation's sick would get regular medical care? You already have the lowest population service rate in the developed work.

Before Obamacare, 45,000 Americans died each year because they couldn't afford healthcare.

Prove it. You show me one person, a specific individual, who couldn't get Obama care, and thus was refused any treatment at a hospital. You people just make up lies, and that's the basis for your whole ideology. Lying-Left. The party of liars. All of you. Every single one. This is why Clinton has so much support from your group of liars. The Clintons lie as much as all of you do.

I do not support any Clinton, evidently you are not worth discussing the issue with.

Are you so dumb, you can't even read who I was responding too? Agreed. Stop talking. You are not worth discussing the issue with, when you can't even read the post.

shit in one hand wish it was in the other.

 

[Moonglow]

Here is the 2009 Harvard Study which established that number:

New study finds 45,000 deaths annually linked to lack of health coverage

These people don't care about it, they have attend church..

 

[Boss]

Here is the 2009 Harvard Study which established that number:

New study finds 45,000 deaths annually linked to lack of health coverage

Again... Is there any way for us to interview the families and friends of these unfortunate people? Where is MSNBC and Katie Courik? Where is Oprah and Geraldo? Someone needs to find out what was going on with these poor people who died... did their friends and family intentionally withhold public information from them? Were they being held captive against their will or something? Maybe they were part of some kind of cult who didn't believe in modern medicine? Something has to be explained here and it isn't being explained... How is it that 45k Americans died without knowing they had access to health care in every hospital in the country?

 

[Andylusion]

Here is the 2009 Harvard Study which established that number:

New study finds 45,000 deaths annually linked to lack of health coverage

Again, you left wing lying, mindless lemming...... NAME ONE PERSON. NAME THEM!

You can't. Nor does that research paper. I've read the Harvard study. It's crap. Estimates. Based on... Estimates. That's all it is.

They can't name a single person who died because of lack of treatment. Not one.

I personally have been to the hospital without insurance, and I still got treated. You people just flat out lie. It's a lie. Period.