Liberty and Pizza...not Liberty OR Pizza!

[Jantje_Smit]

Maybe I should discriminate against Homosexuals?

Damn it, I'm atheist. What sense would it make to do so?

$842,000 makes a lot of sense...

No need to tell anyone you're an atheist, just say Jesus told you that you can't bake wedding cakes/pizzas/pictures/wedding licenses for gay people and the $$$ will flow

 

[SAYIT]

She loves using the hasty generalization.

I'm guessing you won't get the irony in that statement.
Here, let me help you:

Of course millions of far right socons oppose American agendas. But they are in the very small cultural minority. Make my pizza a Supreme super loaded.

 

[SAYIT]

I must admit I'm not one for mixing politics and pizza.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

1. Must be difficult fighting for freedom in a culture dominated by a powerful political party, allied with a Left-wing media, that attack traditional values, that include liberty and freedom to express alternative views.

But some do.



Consider the poor Memories Pizza folks who were cornered into stating that they would decline participating in a gay wedding ceremony due to their beliefs.

The gay Mafia tried to put them out of business.

2. " Kirsten Powers, a Fox News contributor and admitted Liberal, is not too happy with the backlash faced by Memories Pizza who were caught in the aftermath of the anger among LGBT activists with Indiana’s Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA) passage into law.
...the pizzeria was shut down due to death threats and other threats of violence, as well as an attempt to ruin their business reputation.



Powers penned an op-ed in USA Today entitled “Gay Marriage Debate’s Sore Winners” in which she blasts those who have targeted the O’Connors, and others like them, because their thought on a certain subject is not what these activists believe it should be.

A girls golf coach at an Indiana high school tweeted, “Who’s going to Walkerton, IN to burn down #memoriespizza w me?”
The pizzeria outside South Bend received death threats and harassment and felt forced to shut down the shop. It’s Yelp page was vandalized with obscene and homo-erotic pictures. The owners have said they don’t know if it will be safe to re-open.

In fact,the owners told the reporter that they would never refuse to serve a gay customer who came to the restaurant to eat
.The wrath of gay rights supporters rained down on Memories Pizza because O’Connor committed a thought crime. She discriminated against nobody, but thinks the “wrong” thing about same-sex marriage and she said it out loud.
Liberal Kirsten Powers Blasts LGBT Activists as Intolerant Bullies




3. But the attacks kinda came back to bite 'em in the butt:

" Browbeating Christians into submission is not a new tactic, and it is a tactic that has largely failed in the abortion arena—despite the existence of legal doctrines that are dramatically skewed against the pro-life movement. Yet the pro-life movement is as strong as it has ever been, and political outcomes are finally starting to reflect that strength,...

[And a President who supported infanticide!]


...the religious liberty movement is showing increasing, not decreasing cultural strength. While it is easy to grow discouraged in the face of events like Brendan Eich’s departure from Mozilla, the wave of threats directed at vendors like Memories Pizza, Republican politicians’ continued timidity on “culture war” issues, and the climate of intolerance that exists on campuses and in the mainstream media,the Left’s prominent failures are starting to outnumber its recent successes.


...the grassroots response in support of Memories Pizza soon swamped the Left. A GoFundMe account set up to support the owners raised more than $800,000 in small donations in a matter of days (including over $200,000 in one day), putting the pizza restaurant in a far superior financial position than it had enjoyed before the controversy.

The message was clear: Cultural conservatives are not, in fact, culturally isolated but rather have the support of millions of Americans who oppose leftist bullying."
Imprimis A monthly digest on liberty and the defense of America s founding principles



More to come: an interesting new development.....

Another Chica diatribe of hypocrisy and distortion! You go on and on about how one faction is depriving your faction of certain rights with their free exercise of their rights. You play at being totally ignorant of the fact the other faction is exercising their rights in RESPONSE to lawfully held convictions of your faction who in your own words, "... attack...values, that include liberty and freedom to express alternative views." [OP . Post #1] That right is not exclusive to your Tribe, Chica!

In other words, your faction does NOT have the exclusive rights to Constitutionally guaranteed rights! Neither faction have exclusive rights, so wise up and get used to it! We all have the same rights to act stupidly/offensively OR properly in the moment and the law!

 

[NYcarbineer]

You can't have ties when it comes to conflicting rights claims.

You have a person claiming their right to be served by a business, you have a business claiming their right to use religion as a justification to discriminate against that person.

You can't cut that baby in half. Someone has to be declared right. Someone has to lose. That's why we have courts.

The closest thing to a compromise on such an issue has already been struck. If your activity is primarily religious, you get leeway to discriminate.

If not, you are bound by the non-discrimination laws that apply to businesses.

I don't know how you can get fairer than that.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. Must be difficult fighting for freedom in a culture dominated by a powerful political party, allied with a Left-wing media, that attack traditional values, that include liberty and freedom to express alternative views.

But some do.



Consider the poor Memories Pizza folks who were cornered into stating that they would decline participating in a gay wedding ceremony due to their beliefs.

The gay Mafia tried to put them out of business.

2. " Kirsten Powers, a Fox News contributor and admitted Liberal, is not too happy with the backlash faced by Memories Pizza who were caught in the aftermath of the anger among LGBT activists with Indiana’s Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA) passage into law.
...the pizzeria was shut down due to death threats and other threats of violence, as well as an attempt to ruin their business reputation.



Powers penned an op-ed in USA Today entitled “Gay Marriage Debate’s Sore Winners” in which she blasts those who have targeted the O’Connors, and others like them, because their thought on a certain subject is not what these activists believe it should be.

A girls golf coach at an Indiana high school tweeted, “Who’s going to Walkerton, IN to burn down #memoriespizza w me?”
The pizzeria outside South Bend received death threats and harassment and felt forced to shut down the shop. It’s Yelp page was vandalized with obscene and homo-erotic pictures. The owners have said they don’t know if it will be safe to re-open.

In fact,the owners told the reporter that they would never refuse to serve a gay customer who came to the restaurant to eat
.The wrath of gay rights supporters rained down on Memories Pizza because O’Connor committed a thought crime. She discriminated against nobody, but thinks the “wrong” thing about same-sex marriage and she said it out loud.
Liberal Kirsten Powers Blasts LGBT Activists as Intolerant Bullies




3. But the attacks kinda came back to bite 'em in the butt:

" Browbeating Christians into submission is not a new tactic, and it is a tactic that has largely failed in the abortion arena—despite the existence of legal doctrines that are dramatically skewed against the pro-life movement. Yet the pro-life movement is as strong as it has ever been, and political outcomes are finally starting to reflect that strength,...

[And a President who supported infanticide!]


...the religious liberty movement is showing increasing, not decreasing cultural strength. While it is easy to grow discouraged in the face of events like Brendan Eich’s departure from Mozilla, the wave of threats directed at vendors like Memories Pizza, Republican politicians’ continued timidity on “culture war” issues, and the climate of intolerance that exists on campuses and in the mainstream media,the Left’s prominent failures are starting to outnumber its recent successes.


...the grassroots response in support of Memories Pizza soon swamped the Left. A GoFundMe account set up to support the owners raised more than $800,000 in small donations in a matter of days (including over $200,000 in one day), putting the pizza restaurant in a far superior financial position than it had enjoyed before the controversy.

The message was clear: Cultural conservatives are not, in fact, culturally isolated but rather have the support of millions of Americans who oppose leftist bullying."
Imprimis A monthly digest on liberty and the defense of America s founding principles



More to come: an interesting new development.....

Another Chica diatribe of hypocrisy and distortion! You go on and on about how one faction is depriving your faction of certain rights with their free exercise of their rights. You play at being totally ignorant of the fact the other faction is exercising their rights in RESPONSE to lawfully held convictions of your faction who in your own words, "... attack...values, that include liberty and freedom to express alternative views." [OP . Post #1] That right is not exclusive to your Tribe, Chica!

In other words, your faction does NOT have the exclusive rights to Constitutionally guaranteed rights! Neither faction have exclusive rights, so wise up and get used to it! We all have the same rights to act stupidly or properly in the moment and the law!

Depriving one of his right to pizza, delivered and served!

Quite a 'right.'

Anchovies a 'right,' too?


Did you mention the Constitution,you fool?

This part:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

 

[PoliticalChic]

5. And, the next chapter in this on-going saga: gay activists try another, if effete, attack....

" [The owners of Memories Pizza] did not answer threats with threats, but continued to calmly explain that they would happily serve gay customers; they just didn’t want to be a part of the wedding. Of course, none of this mattered to those not interested in seeking the facts.

...[recently] a man ordered two pizzas from Memories Pizza, without stating his reasons (as is quite normal when ordering pizza), and brought them back to serve at his same-sex wedding. He recorded the event on video and claimed that Memories “catered” his gay wedding—without knowing it.

Threatened to burn something down? Nope.

Called someone a bigot? Nope.

He’s actually not really too interested in the actions of his customer after selling him the pizza." How the Indiana Pizza Shop Responded After Being Tricked Into 'Catering' a Gay Wedding



Makes sense to me.....buy the pizza...it's yours, and nobody's business how you use it.
But no one has to participate in the ceremony against his wishes.



A win-win: the shop make a profit, the customer gets his pizza (as he/she always did at that pizza shop)....and liberty prevails.

 

[Roudy]

You give these radical leftist social engineering activists a finger, they'll take an arm. This is another example of it.

It began as a gay marriage issue, now they want to shove their ideology down America's throat.

So when they say we want to only do so and so, and not what people think we want to do, they're lying.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

1. Must be difficult fighting for freedom in a culture dominated by a powerful political party, allied with a Left-wing media, that attack traditional values, that include liberty and freedom to express alternative views.

But some do.



Consider the poor Memories Pizza folks who were cornered into stating that they would decline participating in a gay wedding ceremony due to their beliefs.

The gay Mafia tried to put them out of business.

2. " Kirsten Powers, a Fox News contributor and admitted Liberal, is not too happy with the backlash faced by Memories Pizza who were caught in the aftermath of the anger among LGBT activists with Indiana’s Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA) passage into law.
...the pizzeria was shut down due to death threats and other threats of violence, as well as an attempt to ruin their business reputation.



Powers penned an op-ed in USA Today entitled “Gay Marriage Debate’s Sore Winners” in which she blasts those who have targeted the O’Connors, and others like them, because their thought on a certain subject is not what these activists believe it should be.

A girls golf coach at an Indiana high school tweeted, “Who’s going to Walkerton, IN to burn down #memoriespizza w me?”
The pizzeria outside South Bend received death threats and harassment and felt forced to shut down the shop. It’s Yelp page was vandalized with obscene and homo-erotic pictures. The owners have said they don’t know if it will be safe to re-open.

In fact,the owners told the reporter that they would never refuse to serve a gay customer who came to the restaurant to eat
.The wrath of gay rights supporters rained down on Memories Pizza because O’Connor committed a thought crime. She discriminated against nobody, but thinks the “wrong” thing about same-sex marriage and she said it out loud.
Liberal Kirsten Powers Blasts LGBT Activists as Intolerant Bullies




3. But the attacks kinda came back to bite 'em in the butt:

" Browbeating Christians into submission is not a new tactic, and it is a tactic that has largely failed in the abortion arena—despite the existence of legal doctrines that are dramatically skewed against the pro-life movement. Yet the pro-life movement is as strong as it has ever been, and political outcomes are finally starting to reflect that strength,...

[And a President who supported infanticide!]


...the religious liberty movement is showing increasing, not decreasing cultural strength. While it is easy to grow discouraged in the face of events like Brendan Eich’s departure from Mozilla, the wave of threats directed at vendors like Memories Pizza, Republican politicians’ continued timidity on “culture war” issues, and the climate of intolerance that exists on campuses and in the mainstream media,the Left’s prominent failures are starting to outnumber its recent successes.


...the grassroots response in support of Memories Pizza soon swamped the Left. A GoFundMe account set up to support the owners raised more than $800,000 in small donations in a matter of days (including over $200,000 in one day), putting the pizza restaurant in a far superior financial position than it had enjoyed before the controversy.

The message was clear: Cultural conservatives are not, in fact, culturally isolated but rather have the support of millions of Americans who oppose leftist bullying."
Imprimis A monthly digest on liberty and the defense of America s founding principles



More to come: an interesting new development.....

Another Chica diatribe of hypocrisy and distortion! You go on and on about how one faction is depriving your faction of certain rights with their free exercise of their rights. You play at being totally ignorant of the fact the other faction is exercising their rights in RESPONSE to lawfully held convictions of your faction who in your own words, "... attack...values, that include liberty and freedom to express alternative views." [OP . Post #1] That right is not exclusive to your Tribe, Chica!

In other words, your faction does NOT have the exclusive rights to Constitutionally guaranteed rights! Neither faction have exclusive rights, so wise up and get used to it! We all have the same rights to act stupidly or properly in the moment and the law!

Depriving one of his right to pizza, delivered and served!

Quite a 'right.'

Anchovies a 'right,' too?


Did you mention the Constitution,you fool?

This part:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

Yes, this part of the Constitution, too:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Your faction holds no patent on any portion of Amendment I. Wise up to that fact, Chica!

 

[PoliticalChic]

You can't have ties when it comes to conflicting rights claims.

You have a person claiming their right to be served by a business, you have a business claiming their right to use religion as a justification to discriminate against that person.

You can't cut that baby in half. Someone has to be declared right. Someone has to lose. That's why we have courts.

The closest thing to a compromise on such an issue has already been struck. If your activity is primarily religious, you get leeway to discriminate.

If not, you are bound by the non-discrimination laws that apply to businesses.

I don't know how you can get fairer than that.

"Someone has to be declared right. Someone has to lose. That's why we have courts."


The brilliant and scholarly Ann Coulter responds to that:

1. If liberals could trust the voters, they wouldn’t need the Court to invent ludicrous ‘constitutional rights’ for them in the first place.

2. The only limit on liberal insanity in this country is how many issues liberals can get before a court…A lot is at stake for liberals with the court. If they lose a liberal vote, they will be forced to fight political battles through a messy little system know as ‘democracy.’

3. When conservative judges strike down laws, it’s because of what’s in the Constitution. When liberal judges strike down laws (or impose new laws, such as tax increases), it’s because of what’s in the New York Times.

 

[NYcarbineer]

1. Must be difficult fighting for freedom in a culture dominated by a powerful political party, allied with a Left-wing media, that attack traditional values, that include liberty and freedom to express alternative views.

But some do.



Consider the poor Memories Pizza folks who were cornered into stating that they would decline participating in a gay wedding ceremony due to their beliefs.

The gay Mafia tried to put them out of business.

2. " Kirsten Powers, a Fox News contributor and admitted Liberal, is not too happy with the backlash faced by Memories Pizza who were caught in the aftermath of the anger among LGBT activists with Indiana’s Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA) passage into law.
...the pizzeria was shut down due to death threats and other threats of violence, as well as an attempt to ruin their business reputation.



Powers penned an op-ed in USA Today entitled “Gay Marriage Debate’s Sore Winners” in which she blasts those who have targeted the O’Connors, and others like them, because their thought on a certain subject is not what these activists believe it should be.

A girls golf coach at an Indiana high school tweeted, “Who’s going to Walkerton, IN to burn down #memoriespizza w me?”
The pizzeria outside South Bend received death threats and harassment and felt forced to shut down the shop. It’s Yelp page was vandalized with obscene and homo-erotic pictures. The owners have said they don’t know if it will be safe to re-open.

In fact,the owners told the reporter that they would never refuse to serve a gay customer who came to the restaurant to eat
.The wrath of gay rights supporters rained down on Memories Pizza because O’Connor committed a thought crime. She discriminated against nobody, but thinks the “wrong” thing about same-sex marriage and she said it out loud.
Liberal Kirsten Powers Blasts LGBT Activists as Intolerant Bullies




3. But the attacks kinda came back to bite 'em in the butt:

" Browbeating Christians into submission is not a new tactic, and it is a tactic that has largely failed in the abortion arena—despite the existence of legal doctrines that are dramatically skewed against the pro-life movement. Yet the pro-life movement is as strong as it has ever been, and political outcomes are finally starting to reflect that strength,...

[And a President who supported infanticide!]


...the religious liberty movement is showing increasing, not decreasing cultural strength. While it is easy to grow discouraged in the face of events like Brendan Eich’s departure from Mozilla, the wave of threats directed at vendors like Memories Pizza, Republican politicians’ continued timidity on “culture war” issues, and the climate of intolerance that exists on campuses and in the mainstream media,the Left’s prominent failures are starting to outnumber its recent successes.


...the grassroots response in support of Memories Pizza soon swamped the Left. A GoFundMe account set up to support the owners raised more than $800,000 in small donations in a matter of days (including over $200,000 in one day), putting the pizza restaurant in a far superior financial position than it had enjoyed before the controversy.

The message was clear: Cultural conservatives are not, in fact, culturally isolated but rather have the support of millions of Americans who oppose leftist bullying."
Imprimis A monthly digest on liberty and the defense of America s founding principles



More to come: an interesting new development.....

Another Chica diatribe of hypocrisy and distortion! You go on and on about how one faction is depriving your faction of certain rights with their free exercise of their rights. You play at being totally ignorant of the fact the other faction is exercising their rights in RESPONSE to lawfully held convictions of your faction who in your own words, "... attack...values, that include liberty and freedom to express alternative views." [OP . Post #1] That right is not exclusive to your Tribe, Chica!

In other words, your faction does NOT have the exclusive rights to Constitutionally guaranteed rights! Neither faction have exclusive rights, so wise up and get used to it! We all have the same rights to act stupidly or properly in the moment and the law!

Depriving one of his right to pizza, delivered and served!

Quite a 'right.'

Anchovies a 'right,' too?


Did you mention the Constitution,you fool?

This part:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

Human sacrifice is against the law no matter how religious you claim the practice is. Nor is honor killing.

Refusing to pay your taxes is against the law, even for those who claim religious reasons for believing paying them is against their conscience.

Forced marriage is illegal, no matter what religious justification might be claimed for it.

There is no literal 'free exercise of religion', no matter what one may think the Constitution says,

and frankly,

no sane person thinks there should be.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You can't have ties when it comes to conflicting rights claims.

You have a person claiming their right to be served by a business, you have a business claiming their right to use religion as a justification to discriminate against that person.

You can't cut that baby in half. Someone has to be declared right. Someone has to lose. That's why we have courts.

The closest thing to a compromise on such an issue has already been struck. If your activity is primarily religious, you get leeway to discriminate.

If not, you are bound by the non-discrimination laws that apply to businesses.

I don't know how you can get fairer than that.

"Someone has to be declared right. Someone has to lose. That's why we have courts."


The brilliant and scholarly Ann Coulter responds to that:

1. If liberals could trust the voters, they wouldn’t need the Court to invent ludicrous ‘constitutional rights’ for them in the first place.

2. The only limit on liberal insanity in this country is how many issues liberals can get before a court…A lot is at stake for liberals with the court. If they lose a liberal vote, they will be forced to fight political battles through a messy little system know as ‘democracy.’

3. When conservative judges strike down laws, it’s because of what’s in the Constitution. When liberal judges strike down laws (or impose new laws, such as tax increases), it’s because of what’s in the New York Times.

The voters established the courts and the voters put the judges on the courts.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. Must be difficult fighting for freedom in a culture dominated by a powerful political party, allied with a Left-wing media, that attack traditional values, that include liberty and freedom to express alternative views.

But some do.



Consider the poor Memories Pizza folks who were cornered into stating that they would decline participating in a gay wedding ceremony due to their beliefs.

The gay Mafia tried to put them out of business.

2. " Kirsten Powers, a Fox News contributor and admitted Liberal, is not too happy with the backlash faced by Memories Pizza who were caught in the aftermath of the anger among LGBT activists with Indiana’s Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA) passage into law.
...the pizzeria was shut down due to death threats and other threats of violence, as well as an attempt to ruin their business reputation.



Powers penned an op-ed in USA Today entitled “Gay Marriage Debate’s Sore Winners” in which she blasts those who have targeted the O’Connors, and others like them, because their thought on a certain subject is not what these activists believe it should be.

A girls golf coach at an Indiana high school tweeted, “Who’s going to Walkerton, IN to burn down #memoriespizza w me?”
The pizzeria outside South Bend received death threats and harassment and felt forced to shut down the shop. It’s Yelp page was vandalized with obscene and homo-erotic pictures. The owners have said they don’t know if it will be safe to re-open.

In fact,the owners told the reporter that they would never refuse to serve a gay customer who came to the restaurant to eat
.The wrath of gay rights supporters rained down on Memories Pizza because O’Connor committed a thought crime. She discriminated against nobody, but thinks the “wrong” thing about same-sex marriage and she said it out loud.
Liberal Kirsten Powers Blasts LGBT Activists as Intolerant Bullies




3. But the attacks kinda came back to bite 'em in the butt:

" Browbeating Christians into submission is not a new tactic, and it is a tactic that has largely failed in the abortion arena—despite the existence of legal doctrines that are dramatically skewed against the pro-life movement. Yet the pro-life movement is as strong as it has ever been, and political outcomes are finally starting to reflect that strength,...

[And a President who supported infanticide!]


...the religious liberty movement is showing increasing, not decreasing cultural strength. While it is easy to grow discouraged in the face of events like Brendan Eich’s departure from Mozilla, the wave of threats directed at vendors like Memories Pizza, Republican politicians’ continued timidity on “culture war” issues, and the climate of intolerance that exists on campuses and in the mainstream media,the Left’s prominent failures are starting to outnumber its recent successes.


...the grassroots response in support of Memories Pizza soon swamped the Left. A GoFundMe account set up to support the owners raised more than $800,000 in small donations in a matter of days (including over $200,000 in one day), putting the pizza restaurant in a far superior financial position than it had enjoyed before the controversy.

The message was clear: Cultural conservatives are not, in fact, culturally isolated but rather have the support of millions of Americans who oppose leftist bullying."
Imprimis A monthly digest on liberty and the defense of America s founding principles



More to come: an interesting new development.....

Another Chica diatribe of hypocrisy and distortion! You go on and on about how one faction is depriving your faction of certain rights with their free exercise of their rights. You play at being totally ignorant of the fact the other faction is exercising their rights in RESPONSE to lawfully held convictions of your faction who in your own words, "... attack...values, that include liberty and freedom to express alternative views." [OP . Post #1] That right is not exclusive to your Tribe, Chica!

In other words, your faction does NOT have the exclusive rights to Constitutionally guaranteed rights! Neither faction have exclusive rights, so wise up and get used to it! We all have the same rights to act stupidly or properly in the moment and the law!

Depriving one of his right to pizza, delivered and served!

Quite a 'right.'

Anchovies a 'right,' too?


Did you mention the Constitution,you fool?

This part:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

Human sacrifice is against the law no matter how religious you claim the practice is. Nor is honor killing.

Refusing to pay your taxes is against the law, even for those who claim religious reasons for believing paying them is against their conscience.

Forced marriage is illegal, no matter what religious justification might be claimed for it.

There is no literal 'free exercise of religion', no matter what one may think the Constitution says,

and frankly,

no sane person thinks there should be.

Hmmm.....so not having your extra-cheese pizza delivered to your basement is akin to human sacrifice?



And here, a return performance at open mic night....the NYLiar!

His act includes only two tricks:

Trick #1....lies

Trick #2....obfuscation and changing the subject.


Today it's Trick #2 on display today!

 

[PoliticalChic]

You can't have ties when it comes to conflicting rights claims.

You have a person claiming their right to be served by a business, you have a business claiming their right to use religion as a justification to discriminate against that person.

You can't cut that baby in half. Someone has to be declared right. Someone has to lose. That's why we have courts.

The closest thing to a compromise on such an issue has already been struck. If your activity is primarily religious, you get leeway to discriminate.

If not, you are bound by the non-discrimination laws that apply to businesses.

I don't know how you can get fairer than that.

"Someone has to be declared right. Someone has to lose. That's why we have courts."


The brilliant and scholarly Ann Coulter responds to that:

1. If liberals could trust the voters, they wouldn’t need the Court to invent ludicrous ‘constitutional rights’ for them in the first place.

2. The only limit on liberal insanity in this country is how many issues liberals can get before a court…A lot is at stake for liberals with the court. If they lose a liberal vote, they will be forced to fight political battles through a messy little system know as ‘democracy.’

3. When conservative judges strike down laws, it’s because of what’s in the Constitution. When liberal judges strike down laws (or impose new laws, such as tax increases), it’s because of what’s in the New York Times.

The voters established the courts and the voters put the judges on the courts.

I admit that the full elucidation of the following is beyond the context of this particular thread...but it's important enough to include:

We do not have a democracy any longer, as such requires an informed electorate.
That is not possible sans an unbiased media.


I suggest, if you ever get around to reading,
"Origins of Totalitarian Democracy," by J.L. Talmon

 

[NYcarbineer]

You can't have ties when it comes to conflicting rights claims.

You have a person claiming their right to be served by a business, you have a business claiming their right to use religion as a justification to discriminate against that person.

You can't cut that baby in half. Someone has to be declared right. Someone has to lose. That's why we have courts.

The closest thing to a compromise on such an issue has already been struck. If your activity is primarily religious, you get leeway to discriminate.

If not, you are bound by the non-discrimination laws that apply to businesses.

I don't know how you can get fairer than that.

"Someone has to be declared right. Someone has to lose. That's why we have courts."


The brilliant and scholarly Ann Coulter responds to that:

1. If liberals could trust the voters, they wouldn’t need the Court to invent ludicrous ‘constitutional rights’ for them in the first place.

2. The only limit on liberal insanity in this country is how many issues liberals can get before a court…A lot is at stake for liberals with the court. If they lose a liberal vote, they will be forced to fight political battles through a messy little system know as ‘democracy.’

3. When conservative judges strike down laws, it’s because of what’s in the Constitution. When liberal judges strike down laws (or impose new laws, such as tax increases), it’s because of what’s in the New York Times.

The voters established the courts and the voters put the judges on the courts.

I admit that the full elucidation of the following is beyond the context of this particular thread...but it's important enough to include:

We do not have a democracy any longer, as such requires an informed electorate.
That is not possible sans an unbiased media.


I suggest, if you ever get around to reading,
"Origins of Totalitarian Democracy," by J.L. Talmon

There has never been an unbiased media. Ever.

 

[NYcarbineer]

[



Hmmm.....so not having your extra-cheese pizza delivered to your basement is akin to human sacrifice?


!

Yes it is in broad category of using religion to deny someone their constitutionally protected rights.

Could a community impose Sharia law, by vote, without constitutional conflicts?

 

[NYcarbineer]

You can't have ties when it comes to conflicting rights claims.

You have a person claiming their right to be served by a business, you have a business claiming their right to use religion as a justification to discriminate against that person.

You can't cut that baby in half. Someone has to be declared right. Someone has to lose. That's why we have courts.

The closest thing to a compromise on such an issue has already been struck. If your activity is primarily religious, you get leeway to discriminate.

If not, you are bound by the non-discrimination laws that apply to businesses.

I don't know how you can get fairer than that.

"Someone has to be declared right. Someone has to lose. That's why we have courts."


The brilliant and scholarly Ann Coulter responds to that:

1. If liberals could trust the voters, they wouldn’t need the Court to invent ludicrous ‘constitutional rights’ for them in the first place.

2. The only limit on liberal insanity in this country is how many issues liberals can get before a court…A lot is at stake for liberals with the court. If they lose a liberal vote, they will be forced to fight political battles through a messy little system know as ‘democracy.’

3. When conservative judges strike down laws, it’s because of what’s in the Constitution. When liberal judges strike down laws (or impose new laws, such as tax increases), it’s because of what’s in the New York Times.

The voters established the courts and the voters put the judges on the courts.

I admit that the full elucidation of the following is beyond the context of this particular thread...but it's important enough to include:

We do not have a democracy any longer, as such requires an informed electorate.
That is not possible sans an unbiased media.


I suggest, if you ever get around to reading,
"Origins of Totalitarian Democracy," by J.L. Talmon

So in your opinion the Republican Congress as it now stands was not democratically elected, and thus has no legitimacy.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You can't have ties when it comes to conflicting rights claims.

You have a person claiming their right to be served by a business, you have a business claiming their right to use religion as a justification to discriminate against that person.

You can't cut that baby in half. Someone has to be declared right. Someone has to lose. That's why we have courts.

The closest thing to a compromise on such an issue has already been struck. If your activity is primarily religious, you get leeway to discriminate.

If not, you are bound by the non-discrimination laws that apply to businesses.

I don't know how you can get fairer than that.

"Someone has to be declared right. Someone has to lose. That's why we have courts."


The brilliant and scholarly Ann Coulter responds to that:

1. If liberals could trust the voters, they wouldn’t need the Court to invent ludicrous ‘constitutional rights’ for them in the first place.

2. The only limit on liberal insanity in this country is how many issues liberals can get before a court…A lot is at stake for liberals with the court. If they lose a liberal vote, they will be forced to fight political battles through a messy little system know as ‘democracy.’

3. When conservative judges strike down laws, it’s because of what’s in the Constitution. When liberal judges strike down laws (or impose new laws, such as tax increases), it’s because of what’s in the New York Times.

The voters established the courts and the voters put the judges on the courts.

I admit that the full elucidation of the following is beyond the context of this particular thread...but it's important enough to include:

We do not have a democracy any longer, as such requires an informed electorate.
That is not possible sans an unbiased media.


I suggest, if you ever get around to reading,
"Origins of Totalitarian Democracy," by J.L. Talmon

Notice here how PC has been forced into such a corner she has to throw our entire system of government under the bus to try to weasel her way out?

You're welcome.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You can't have ties when it comes to conflicting rights claims.

You have a person claiming their right to be served by a business, you have a business claiming their right to use religion as a justification to discriminate against that person.

You can't cut that baby in half. Someone has to be declared right. Someone has to lose. That's why we have courts.

The closest thing to a compromise on such an issue has already been struck. If your activity is primarily religious, you get leeway to discriminate.

If not, you are bound by the non-discrimination laws that apply to businesses.

I don't know how you can get fairer than that.

"Someone has to be declared right. Someone has to lose. That's why we have courts."


The brilliant and scholarly Ann Coulter responds to that:

1. If liberals could trust the voters, they wouldn’t need the Court to invent ludicrous ‘constitutional rights’ for them in the first place.

2. The only limit on liberal insanity in this country is how many issues liberals can get before a court…A lot is at stake for liberals with the court. If they lose a liberal vote, they will be forced to fight political battles through a messy little system know as ‘democracy.’

3. When conservative judges strike down laws, it’s because of what’s in the Constitution. When liberal judges strike down laws (or impose new laws, such as tax increases), it’s because of what’s in the New York Times.

The voters established the courts and the voters put the judges on the courts.

I admit that the full elucidation of the following is beyond the context of this particular thread...but it's important enough to include:

We do not have a democracy any longer, as such requires an informed electorate.
That is not possible sans an unbiased media.


I suggest, if you ever get around to reading,
"Origins of Totalitarian Democracy," by J.L. Talmon

There has never been an unbiased media. Ever.

I accept your collapse.

So...you agree never again to plead that we live in the sort of democracy where voters make informed decisions?
Excellent.

 

[PoliticalChic]

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Hmmm.....so not having your extra-cheese pizza delivered to your basement is akin to human sacrifice?


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Yes it is in broad category of using religion to deny someone their constitutionally protected rights.

Could a community impose Sharia law, by vote, without constitutional conflicts?

"Hmmm.....so not having your extra-cheese pizza delivered to your basement is akin to human sacrifice?"

"Yes it is..."


What more need be said.