Lesson from Jimmy Carter: Weakness invites aggression

[Sallow]

Lets look at the history books

Jimmy Carter allowed 52 American hostages to be held for 444 days. They all came out alive
George Bush allowed four terrorist attacks to kill almost 3000 Americans

Who was weaker?

carter you nutjob; for installing the world's first islamo-fascist shiite regime in iran. the one threatening the world today

Do you understand what install means?

The King of England didn't "install" the American Government.

And the US didn't install the present Iranian Government.

 

[rightwinger]

Lets look at the history books

Jimmy Carter allowed 52 American hostages to be held for 444 days. They all came out alive
George Bush allowed four terrorist attacks to kill almost 3000 Americans

Who was weaker?

Carter. Clinton was at the helm when the terrorist were planning to kill 3000 Americans.

I would rather those 3000 Americans were held captive for 444 days and came out alive

Bush was weak in allowing those Americans to be killed

At least Carters weakness resulted in hostages coming out alive

 

[Sallow]

Lets look at the history books

Jimmy Carter allowed 52 American hostages to be held for 444 days. They all came out alive
George Bush allowed four terrorist attacks to kill almost 3000 Americans

Who was weaker?

Carter. Clinton was at the helm when the terrorist were planning to kill 3000 Americans.

You mean Ronnie and Georgie when they had the CIA train Bin Laden and the boys the art of spook warfare.

 

[bedowin62]

Lets look at the history books

Jimmy Carter allowed 52 American hostages to be held for 444 days. They all came out alive
George Bush allowed four terrorist attacks to kill almost 3000 Americans

Who was weaker?

carter you nutjob; for installing the world's first islamo-fascist shiite regime in iran. the one threatening the world today

Do you understand what install means?

The King of England didn't "install" the American Government.

And the US didn't install the present Iranian Government.

um; yes carter pretty much did install the khomeinist regime.
first with unbelievable arrogance; having his buddies at BROWN AND ROOT (remember them? think the forerunner of HALLIBURTON) demand to be allowed to build a seaport; and Carters demans on iran to sell us iranian oil at $8/BARELL FOR FIFTY YEARS


when the Shah rightly refused that blackmail jimmy carter withdrew his support

 

[Sallow]

Lets look at the history books

Jimmy Carter allowed 52 American hostages to be held for 444 days. They all came out alive
George Bush allowed four terrorist attacks to kill almost 3000 Americans

Who was weaker?

Carter. Clinton was at the helm when the terrorist were planning to kill 3000 Americans.

I would rather those 3000 Americans were held captive for 444 days and came out alive

Bush was weak in allowing those Americans to be killed

At least Carters weakness resulted in hostages coming out alive

They probably would have come back sooner had Reagan not interfered and had the Iranians hold them until after the elections.

One Hour after Reagan was inaugurated, to be exact.

 

[bedowin62]

Lets look at the history books

Jimmy Carter allowed 52 American hostages to be held for 444 days. They all came out alive
George Bush allowed four terrorist attacks to kill almost 3000 Americans

Who was weaker?

Carter. Clinton was at the helm when the terrorist were planning to kill 3000 Americans.

You mean Ronnie and Georgie when they had the CIA train Bin Laden and the boys the art of spook warfare.

ur right nutjob; we trained them to use plastic knives to take over an airplane and fly it into a building

 

[thanatos144]

At what point do you liberals ever take blame for your mistakes?

 

[thanatos144]

Carter. Clinton was at the helm when the terrorist were planning to kill 3000 Americans.

You mean Ronnie and Georgie when they had the CIA train Bin Laden and the boys the art of spook warfare.

ur right nutjob; we trained them to use plastic knives to take over an airplane and fly it into a building

Boxcutters not plastic knives.

 

[rightwinger]

Carter. Clinton was at the helm when the terrorist were planning to kill 3000 Americans.

I would rather those 3000 Americans were held captive for 444 days and came out alive

Bush was weak in allowing those Americans to be killed

At least Carters weakness resulted in hostages coming out alive

They probably would have come back sooner had Reagan not interfered and had the Iranians hold them until after the elections.

One Hour after Reagan was inaugurated, to be exact.

Carter could have invaded like the warhawks wanted. His attempt to send in a rescue ended up with eight killed. Either attempt would have probably resulted in dead hostages. But Carter would not be looked at as "weak"
His weakness led to 52 captives being returned alive

 

[Sallow]

carter you nutjob; for installing the world's first islamo-fascist shiite regime in iran. the one threatening the world today

Do you understand what install means?

The King of England didn't "install" the American Government.

And the US didn't install the present Iranian Government.

um; yes carter pretty much did install the khomeinist regime.
first with unbelievable arrogance; having his buddies at BROWN AND ROOT (remember them? think the forerunner of HALLIBURTON) demand to be allowed to build a seaport; and Carters demans on iran to sell us iranian oil at $8/BARELL FOR FIFTY YEARS


when the Shah rightly refused that blackmail jimmy carter withdrew his support

That's not "installing".

 

[Sallow]

At what point do you liberals ever take blame for your mistakes?

I think Lyndon Johnson's escalation of the Vietnam war was a debacle and a blackspot on America's history.

He was pretty liberal.

I also think the Liberal founders were wrong about slavery.

 

[bedowin62]

Do you understand what install means?

The King of England didn't "install" the American Government.

And the US didn't install the present Iranian Government.

um; yes carter pretty much did install the khomeinist regime.
first with unbelievable arrogance; having his buddies at BROWN AND ROOT (remember them? think the forerunner of HALLIBURTON) demand to be allowed to build a seaport; and Carters demans on iran to sell us iranian oil at $8/BARELL FOR FIFTY YEARS


when the Shah rightly refused that blackmail jimmy carter withdrew his support

That's not "installing".

when the world's top super power withdraws it's support at a time of crisis; um yea it is installing

it's that simple

 

[thanatos144]

At what point do you liberals ever take blame for your mistakes?

I think Lyndon Johnson's escalation of the Vietnam war was a debacle and a blackspot on America's history.

He was pretty liberal.

I also think the Liberal founders were wrong about slavery.

correct party wrong president.... It was Kennedy that first escalated fighting in Vietnam.

 

[mudwhistle]

Lets "compare & contrast" with "critical thinking"!

The Democrat's approach and subsequent results:
Jimmy Carter had tried accommodating America's enemies. He cut back on defense. He made humility the hallmark of American diplomacy. Our foes responded with aggression: Iranian revolutionaries danced in the rubble of the U.S. Embassy; the Soviets sponsored armed insurgencies and invaded Afghanistan.

Small wonder that people are saying the world looks like a rerun of the Carter years. The Obama Doctrine possesses many Carteresque attributes: a heavy reliance on treaties and international institutions; a more humble (and, often, apologetic) U.S. presence around the globe, and a diminishment of U.S. hard power.

And the Obama Doctrine has reaped pretty much the same results. When asked if he feared a U.S. military strike against his country's nuclear program, the Iranian president scoffed at the notion.

Meanwhile, after yielding to Russian complaints and canceling plans to build missile defenses against an Iranian attack, Obama signed an arms control treaty which, the Kremlin boasts, will further limit our missile defense. Yet Moscow still complains that the more limited system the Obama administration wants to field is too much. Once again, American concessions have only encouraged Moscow to be more aggressive. And now Russia state tv is boasting that they have the capabilities to turn the U.S. into "radioactive ash".

And lets not forget Bill Clinton ignoring Al Qaeda and pulling out of Mogadishu because he didn't have the political stomach for either - which was the dog whistle signal for our enemies to go on the offensive and eventually lead to 9/11.



The Republican's approach and subsequent results:
As Reagan entered his presidency, the U.S. economy and the American spirit were low. Still, he committed to a policy of "peace through strength." And, even before he put his plan into action, our enemies began to worry.

Yuri Andropov, the chief of the KGB -- the Soviet's spy network -- feared that Reagan planned to attack. "Andropov," wrote Steven Hayward, in his "Age of Reagan"ordered the KGB to organize a special surveillance program in the United States -- code-named Operation RYAN -- to look for signs of preparations for an attack."

Reagan's assertive approach to foreign policy did not spark war. It produced peace. The Kremlin discovered Reagan was not the cowboy they feared. But they respected the more muscular United States. Russia agreed to the most effective arms control treaty in history.

The benefits spread. According to the Canadian-based Human Security project, deaths from political violence worldwide (even accounting for operations in Afghanistan and Iraq) have declined continually since the end of the Cold War ... until recently.

Lesson from Jimmy Carter: Weakness invites aggression

I think we need to go to two executives in charge. A president who is commander in chief, and a primeminister in charge of the political realm. Democrats destroy everything we do to protect this nation and it always leads to this never ending cycle of rebuilding.

 

[mudwhistle]

I would rather those 3000 Americans were held captive for 444 days and came out alive

Bush was weak in allowing those Americans to be killed

At least Carters weakness resulted in hostages coming out alive

They probably would have come back sooner had Reagan not interfered and had the Iranians hold them until after the elections.

One Hour after Reagan was inaugurated, to be exact.

Carter could have invaded like the warhawks wanted. His attempt to send in a rescue ended up with eight killed. Either attempt would have probably resulted in dead hostages. But Carter would not be looked at as "weak"
His weakness led to 52 captives being returned alive

Or outside of your Bizzaro world, never would have become hostages in the first place.

 

[TooTall]

-Reagan paid a ransom to Iran to hold the hostages until he took office.

-Reagan cut and run from Beirut

-Reagan used American taxpayer money to arm Osama Bin Laden which later would be used to kill Americans.

With strength like that we don't need enemies.

1. Total BS uniformed statement.

2. The attacks on th French paratroopers and US Marine barracks eventually led to the withdrawal of the international peacekeeping force from Lebanon, where they had been stationed since the withdrawal of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) following the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982.

3. Another total BS uninformed statement.

 

[Sallow]

um; yes carter pretty much did install the khomeinist regime.
first with unbelievable arrogance; having his buddies at BROWN AND ROOT (remember them? think the forerunner of HALLIBURTON) demand to be allowed to build a seaport; and Carters demans on iran to sell us iranian oil at $8/BARELL FOR FIFTY YEARS


when the Shah rightly refused that blackmail jimmy carter withdrew his support

That's not "installing".

when the world's top super power withdraws it's support at a time of crisis; um yea it is installing

it's that simple

No it's not.

Installing is exactly that.

Look it up.

We installed the Shah.

The Shah was overthrown by a homegrown revolution not backed by any patron state.

 

[mudwhistle]

We signed an agreement to defend Ukraine. One of the conditions was to remove all of their nukes and give them to Russia.

What idiots!!!

Lol....they actually trusted Obama and Putin!!!

Obama backed out on the agreement by removing any military option. He'll bomb Libya or Syria, but not Russian invaders.

 

[rightwinger]

They probably would have come back sooner had Reagan not interfered and had the Iranians hold them until after the elections.

One Hour after Reagan was inaugurated, to be exact.

Carter could have invaded like the warhawks wanted. His attempt to send in a rescue ended up with eight killed. Either attempt would have probably resulted in dead hostages. But Carter would not be looked at as "weak"
His weakness led to 52 captives being returned alive

Or outside of your Bizzaro world, never would have become hostages in the first place.

What scenario would have prevented them being taken hostage?

 

[Sallow]

At what point do you liberals ever take blame for your mistakes?

I think Lyndon Johnson's escalation of the Vietnam war was a debacle and a blackspot on America's history.

He was pretty liberal.

I also think the Liberal founders were wrong about slavery.

correct party wrong president.... It was Kennedy that first escalated fighting in Vietnam.

You generally don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

Thanks for the unbroken record.