Lesson from Jimmy Carter: Weakness invites aggression

[GISMYS]

obama has saved carter from going uinto history as the worst,clueless president in USA history!

 

[Sallow]

We signed an agreement to defend Ukraine. One of the conditions was to remove all of their nukes and give them to Russia.

What idiots!!!

Lol....they actually trusted Obama and Putin!!!

Obama backed out on the agreement by removing any military option. He'll bomb Libya or Syria, but not Russian invaders.

You realize how ridiculous that sounds?

 

[rightwinger]

obama has saved carter from going uinto history as the worst,clueless president in USA history!

Whats the matter Bible Thumper?

Didn't like a man of god like Carter as President?

 

[mudwhistle]

We signed an agreement to defend Ukraine. One of the conditions was to remove all of their nukes and give them to Russia.

What idiots!!!

Lol....they actually trusted Obama and Putin!!!

Obama backed out on the agreement by removing any military option. He'll bomb Libya or Syria, but not Russian invaders.

You realize how ridiculous that sounds?

The honest to God truth hurts, doesn't?

This is where we are today. The chickens have come home to roost.

Why was the Soviet Union able to put up the Iron Curtain? Because we let them.

 

[mudwhistle]

Obama will be on ESPN radio on The Herd with Colin Cowerd to discuss his NCAA brackets in a few minutes. This is important stuff.

 

[Sallow]

We signed an agreement to defend Ukraine. One of the conditions was to remove all of their nukes and give them to Russia.

What idiots!!!

Lol....they actually trusted Obama and Putin!!!

Obama backed out on the agreement by removing any military option. He'll bomb Libya or Syria, but not Russian invaders.

You realize how ridiculous that sounds?

The honest to God truth hurts, doesn't?

This is where we are today. The chickens have come home to roost.

Why was the Soviet Union able to put up the Iron Curtain? Because we let them.

What truth?

This is the "agreement" you are talking about.

Nuclear weapons and Ukraine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, the newly independent Ukraine had on its territory what was the third largest strategic nuclear weapons arsenal in the world. It was larger than those of Britain, France, and China combined. On June 1, 1996 Ukraine became a non-nuclear nation when it sent the last of its 1,900 strategic nuclear warheads to Russia for dismantling.[1] The first shipment of nuclear weapons from Ukraine to Russia (by train) was in March 1994.[2] In return for giving up its nuclear weapons, Ukraine, the United States of America, Russia, and the United Kingdom signed the 1994 Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances, pledging to respect Ukraine territorial integrity, a pledge that was arguably broken by Russia's 2014 invasion of Crimea.[3] However, there is a dispute whether Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances is anything more than a general statement of intent, lacking the rigor of an international treaty and accompanying ratification procedure.

It wasn't a treaty.

But this was a treaty.

https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2002_07-08/abmjul_aug02

That put on display, distinctly, how much the United States appreciates "treaties".

Then, Bush unilaterally invaded Iraq.

That..gave both China and Russia license to adopt the "Bush Doctrine".

They have nukes. That's all you need to play.

 

[mudwhistle]

You realize how ridiculous that sounds?

The honest to God truth hurts, doesn't?

This is where we are today. The chickens have come home to roost.

Why was the Soviet Union able to put up the Iron Curtain? Because we let them.

What truth?

This is the "agreement" you are talking about.

Nuclear weapons and Ukraine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, the newly independent Ukraine had on its territory what was the third largest strategic nuclear weapons arsenal in the world. It was larger than those of Britain, France, and China combined. On June 1, 1996 Ukraine became a non-nuclear nation when it sent the last of its 1,900 strategic nuclear warheads to Russia for dismantling.[1] The first shipment of nuclear weapons from Ukraine to Russia (by train) was in March 1994.[2] In return for giving up its nuclear weapons, Ukraine, the United States of America, Russia, and the United Kingdom signed the 1994 Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances, pledging to respect Ukraine territorial integrity, a pledge that was arguably broken by Russia's 2014 invasion of Crimea.[3] However, there is a dispute whether Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances is anything more than a general statement of intent, lacking the rigor of an international treaty and accompanying ratification procedure.

It wasn't a treaty.

But this was a treaty.

https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2002_07-08/abmjul_aug02

That put on display, distinctly, how much the United States appreciates "treaties".

Then, Bush unilaterally invaded Iraq.

That..gave both China and Russia license to adopt the "Bush Doctrine".

They have nukes. That's all you need to play.

So you're making up excuses.

Duly noted.

 

[GISMYS]

You realize how ridiculous that sounds?

The honest to God truth hurts, doesn't?

This is where we are today. The chickens have come home to roost.

Why was the Soviet Union able to put up the Iron Curtain? Because we let them.

What truth?

This is the "agreement" you are talking about.

Nuclear weapons and Ukraine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, the newly independent Ukraine had on its territory what was the third largest strategic nuclear weapons arsenal in the world. It was larger than those of Britain, France, and China combined. On June 1, 1996 Ukraine became a non-nuclear nation when it sent the last of its 1,900 strategic nuclear warheads to Russia for dismantling.[1] The first shipment of nuclear weapons from Ukraine to Russia (by train) was in March 1994.[2] In return for giving up its nuclear weapons, Ukraine, the United States of America, Russia, and the United Kingdom signed the 1994 Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances, pledging to respect Ukraine territorial integrity, a pledge that was arguably broken by Russia's 2014 invasion of Crimea.[3] However, there is a dispute whether Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances is anything more than a general statement of intent, lacking the rigor of an international treaty and accompanying ratification procedure.

It wasn't a treaty.

But this was a treaty.

https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2002_07-08/abmjul_aug02

That put on display, distinctly, how much the United States appreciates "treaties".

Then, Bush unilaterally invaded Iraq.

That..gave both China and Russia license to adopt the "Bush Doctrine".

They have nukes. That's all you need to play.

GET REAL!!!! The USA has not made Iraq part of the USA. RUSSIA HAS STOLE LAND THE SIZE OF TEXAS WORTH TRILLIONS OF $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[Katzndogz]

Obama strikes true fear in Putin's heart. He reassured the Russian President that military action was off the table.

President Obama: No U.S. Military Action in Ukraine | NBC 7 San Diego

 

[Katzndogz]

The honest to God truth hurts, doesn't?

This is where we are today. The chickens have come home to roost.

Why was the Soviet Union able to put up the Iron Curtain? Because we let them.

What truth?

This is the "agreement" you are talking about.

Nuclear weapons and Ukraine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, the newly independent Ukraine had on its territory what was the third largest strategic nuclear weapons arsenal in the world. It was larger than those of Britain, France, and China combined. On June 1, 1996 Ukraine became a non-nuclear nation when it sent the last of its 1,900 strategic nuclear warheads to Russia for dismantling.[1] The first shipment of nuclear weapons from Ukraine to Russia (by train) was in March 1994.[2] In return for giving up its nuclear weapons, Ukraine, the United States of America, Russia, and the United Kingdom signed the 1994 Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances, pledging to respect Ukraine territorial integrity, a pledge that was arguably broken by Russia's 2014 invasion of Crimea.[3] However, there is a dispute whether Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances is anything more than a general statement of intent, lacking the rigor of an international treaty and accompanying ratification procedure.

It wasn't a treaty.

But this was a treaty.

https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2002_07-08/abmjul_aug02

That put on display, distinctly, how much the United States appreciates "treaties".

Then, Bush unilaterally invaded Iraq.

That..gave both China and Russia license to adopt the "Bush Doctrine".

They have nukes. That's all you need to play.

GET REAL!!!! The USA has not made Iraq part of the USA. RUSSIA HAS STOLE LAND THE SIZE OF TEXAS WORTH TRILLIONS OF $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

When did the people lose their right to vote? Would it have been better if the Russians in Crimea had just taken up arms to drive the EU loyal Ukranians out of Crimea?

 

[GISMYS]

What truth?

This is the "agreement" you are talking about.

Nuclear weapons and Ukraine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



It wasn't a treaty.

But this was a treaty.

https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2002_07-08/abmjul_aug02

That put on display, distinctly, how much the United States appreciates "treaties".

Then, Bush unilaterally invaded Iraq.

That..gave both China and Russia license to adopt the "Bush Doctrine".

They have nukes. That's all you need to play.

GET REAL!!!! The USA has not made Iraq part of the USA. RUSSIA HAS STOLE LAND THE SIZE OF TEXAS WORTH TRILLIONS OF $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

When did the people lose their right to vote? Would it have been better if the Russians in Crimea had just taken up arms to drive the EU loyal Ukranians out of Crimea?

1860 THE SOUTHERN USA voted to part ways with northern usa. IF A VOTE WAS HELT TODAY THERE WOULD BE PEOPLE IN MANY STATES THAT would vote to part ways!!!

 

[bendog]

Lets "compare & contrast" with "critical thinking"!

The Democrat's approach and subsequent results:
Jimmy Carter had tried accommodating America's enemies. He cut back on defense. He made humility the hallmark of American diplomacy. Our foes responded with aggression: Iranian revolutionaries danced in the rubble of the U.S. Embassy; the Soviets sponsored armed insurgencies and invaded Afghanistan.

Small wonder that people are saying the world looks like a rerun of the Carter years. The Obama Doctrine possesses many Carteresque attributes: a heavy reliance on treaties and international institutions; a more humble (and, often, apologetic) U.S. presence around the globe, and a diminishment of U.S. hard power.

And the Obama Doctrine has reaped pretty much the same results. When asked if he feared a U.S. military strike against his country's nuclear program, the Iranian president scoffed at the notion.

Meanwhile, after yielding to Russian complaints and canceling plans to build missile defenses against an Iranian attack, Obama signed an arms control treaty which, the Kremlin boasts, will further limit our missile defense. Yet Moscow still complains that the more limited system the Obama administration wants to field is too much. Once again, American concessions have only encouraged Moscow to be more aggressive. And now Russia state tv is boasting that they have the capabilities to turn the U.S. into "radioactive ash".

And lets not forget Bill Clinton ignoring Al Qaeda and pulling out of Mogadishu because he didn't have the political stomach for either - which was the dog whistle signal for our enemies to go on the offensive and eventually lead to 9/11.



The Republican's approach and subsequent results:
As Reagan entered his presidency, the U.S. economy and the American spirit were low. Still, he committed to a policy of "peace through strength." And, even before he put his plan into action, our enemies began to worry.

Yuri Andropov, the chief of the KGB -- the Soviet's spy network -- feared that Reagan planned to attack. "Andropov," wrote Steven Hayward, in his "Age of Reagan"ordered the KGB to organize a special surveillance program in the United States -- code-named Operation RYAN -- to look for signs of preparations for an attack."

Reagan's assertive approach to foreign policy did not spark war. It produced peace. The Kremlin discovered Reagan was not the cowboy they feared. But they respected the more muscular United States. Russia agreed to the most effective arms control treaty in history.

The benefits spread. According to the Canadian-based Human Security project, deaths from political violence worldwide (even accounting for operations in Afghanistan and Iraq) have declined continually since the end of the Cold War ... until recently.

Lesson from Jimmy Carter: Weakness invites aggression

Might as well term this lessons from Rumsfeld too.

 

[hangover]

Lesson from Jimmy Carter: Weakness invites aggression

Yeah, macho Ronnie Raygun spent $2 trillion on his bravado to win the cold war....oh wait....what's that?....the cold war isn't won?....Oops, time to spend more....that'll show Putin who's the world dictator.

 

[jillian]

The distinguishing characteristic of a modern liberal, is that he makes a point of NEVER learning from his mistakes. He blames them instead on someone else, and therefore believes he has nothing to learn from them.

once again, you have it backward.... first the Neocon wackjobs want to blow up Syria... then they want to blow up iran... now they want to go to war with Russia.

where were you idiots when putin invaded Georgia while baby bush was president?

maybe we should go start more unnecessary wars to make the wackjobs happy....

 

[mudwhistle]

The distinguishing characteristic of a modern liberal, is that he makes a point of NEVER learning from his mistakes. He blames them instead on someone else, and therefore believes he has nothing to learn from them.

once again, you have it backward.... first the Neocon wackjobs want to blow up Syria... then they want to blow up iran... now they want to go to war with Russia.

where were you idiots when putin invaded Georgia while baby bush was president?

maybe we should go start more unnecessary wars to make the wackjobs happy....

Obama helped start the Arab Spring. At least his friends did. Syria is an example where a strong leader stood up to the fascists that wanted to unseat him and install a theocracy like they have in several other countries.

Obama has used Democracy and gun-trafficking to spread Islam all over the region, and they wanted to do the same in Ukraine.

 

[jknowgood]

The OP has a point


Bush was considered weak, that is why the terrorists attacked us on 9-11

Actually they attacked us because Clinton gave them free roam to operate and did so while gutting defense. Al Qaeda operatives who were captured are on record that 9/11 took years of recruiting, training, planning, and financing. Bush was only on the job for less than 8 months and operating under Clinton's final defense-gutted budget when the attacks occured.

Oops...wrongwinger wrong once again!

They were afraid to launch an attack while Clinton was President. With Bush they knew thay had a soft President and actually launched FOUR attacks

Bush responded by reading a childrens book

Your a trip and an idiot.
1. Your still blaming bush for obama's lack of being a good president five years after he got elected, but don't put any blame on clinton for 911. Only after 8 months being out of office.

2. Putin is taking over countries, and obama is reasleasing his march madness picks

 

[rightwinger]

Actually they attacked us because Clinton gave them free roam to operate and did so while gutting defense. Al Qaeda operatives who were captured are on record that 9/11 took years of recruiting, training, planning, and financing. Bush was only on the job for less than 8 months and operating under Clinton's final defense-gutted budget when the attacks occured.

Oops...wrongwinger wrong once again!

They were afraid to launch an attack while Clinton was President. With Bush they knew thay had a soft President and actually launched FOUR attacks

Bush responded by reading a childrens book

Your a trip and an idiot.
1. Your still blaming bush for obama's lack of being a good president five years after he got elected, but don't put any blame on clinton for 911. Only after 8 months being out of office.

2. Putin is taking over countries, and obama is reasleasing his march madness picks

Bush did not keep us safe....no denying it

 

[mudwhistle]

They were afraid to launch an attack while Clinton was President. With Bush they knew thay had a soft President and actually launched FOUR attacks

Bush responded by reading a childrens book

Your a trip and an idiot.
1. Your still blaming bush for obama's lack of being a good president five years after he got elected, but don't put any blame on clinton for 911. Only after 8 months being out of office.

2. Putin is taking over countries, and obama is reasleasing his march madness picks

Bush did not keep us safe....no denying it

He did after 911.

Explain how he could have prevented 911.

 

[mudwhistle]

Obama will be on ESPN radio on The Herd with Colin Cowerd to discuss his NCAA brackets in a few minutes. This is important stuff.

I think Obama should be impeached for dereliction of duty. When is he gonna take anything seriously?

 

[P@triot]

They threatened to nuke us?

When was that?

When did a Russian Official, acting on behalf of the Russian government, issue such a threat?

Dmitry Kiselyov did just this week (once again we see you are completely uninformed about what is going on)...

Russian news head: We can bomb US into radioactive ash | New York Post

Ah so a Journalist in Russia is in command of the Nuclear Strike force of that country.

Interesting.

Any other pearls of wisdom you have floating about?

Uh-oh...someone had to move the goal posts after being owned with facts. You said (and I quote) "When did a Russian Official, acting on behalf of the Russian government, issue such a threat". Well, Dmitry Kiselyov is a Russian official acting on behalf of Putin himself. You're follow up question (which moves the goal post out of desperation and humiliation at having your lack of knowledge exposed) is as absurd as saying that anyting out of John Carney's mouth doesn't count because he is "not in command of the nuclear strike force" (nice absurd Hollywood lingo there too junior nuclear "strike force" ).

Don't you ever get tired of being owned and having your ignorance exposed? You literally made the absurd claim - in the form of a question - that no Russian official acting on behalf of the Russian government had made that threat when in fact that was exactly what happened.

I would ask you if you have any other "pearls of wisdom" for us but you proved a LONG time ago that you completely lack wisdom in any capacity!