Israel And The “De-legitimization” Oxymoron

[Lipush]

Like what?

Does justice appear on only one side of the coin?

Speaking of coins, i wonder from which years is the coin in the previous post. mhmmm

Expound.

Post Nu. 16

 

[Jos]

Aspi, you cant even post with an English accent
Mums calling, get out of the basement, the fumigation team have arrived, there killing lice with Zyklon B

 

[JStone]

Jos




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[Jos]

[quote

you win a coin

JStone



That coin was minted by the British during the British Mandate. Are Pallies British?

Go to the dunce corner.

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Does it say British on the coin?

If a coins says "Palestine", lets say, from the beginning of the 20's century, does that make the Jews of Israel in the 20-30's "Palestinians"?

We might just be on to somthing, here.[/QUOTE]

The millions of immigrants from Russia to Palestine, are they more Semite than the native born Palestinians ?

 

[Lipush]

[quote

JStone



That coin was minted by the British during the British Mandate. Are Pallies British?

Go to the dunce corner.

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Does it say British on the coin?

If a coins says "Palestine", lets say, from the beginning of the 20's century, does that make the Jews of Israel in the 20-30's "Palestinians"?

We might just be on to somthing, here.

The millions of immigrants from Russia to Palestine, are they more Semite than the native born Palestinians ?[/QUOTE]

And who are those "Native" born Palestinians?

 

[Jos]

People born in Palestine?

 

[Lipush]

People born in Palestine?

So using your logic, if there is no difference, why are Arabs in the area called "Palestinians" and Israeli born Jews are not?

What makes the right of and Israeli born Jew "less" "Palestinian" then Muslim Arab, that people think that should "go back to Europe" or "Move to Australia"?

 

[JStone]

Jos






Eminent Middle East Historian Dr. Bernard Lewis, Professor Emeritus of Near Eastern Studies at Princeton University, Author, "The Middle East: A Brief History of the Last 2000 Years," "The Future of the Middle East," "The Shaping of the Modern Middle East," "The End of Modern History in the Middle East," Faith and Power: Religion and Politics in the Middle East"

The adjective Palestinian is comparatively new. This, I need hardly remind you, is a region of ancient civilization and of deep-rooted and often complex identitites. But, Palestine was not one of them. People might identify themselves for various purposes, by religion, by descent, or by allegiance to a particular state or ruler, or, sometimes, locality. But, when they did it locally it was generally either the city and the immediate district or the larger province, so they would have been Jerusalemites or Jaffaites or Syrians, identifying with the larger province of Syria

The constitution or the formation of a political entity called Palestine which eventually gave rise to a nationality called Palestinian were lasting innovations of the British Mandate [1922-1948]

With the British conquest in 1917-1918 and the subsequent of a mandated territory in the conquered areas, Palestine became the official name of a definite territory.

To begin with, this designation was acceptable neither to Jews not ro Arabs. From the Jewish point of view it restored a name associated in the Jewish historic memory with the largely successful Roman attempt to destroy and obliterate the Jewish identity of the land of Israel. It was a name which had never been used in Jewish history or literature, and the very associations of which were hateful.

From the outset, Jews living under the Mandate refused to use this name in Hebrew but instead used what had become the common Jewish designation of the country---Eretz Yisrael, the land of Israel. After a long battle, it was agreed that the official designation of the country in Hebrew on postage stamps, coins, etc would be Palestina, transcribed into Hebrew letters but followed by the abbreviation "aleph yod" For Jews, this was a common abbreviation for Eretz Yisrael.
Amazon.com: Political Words and Ideas in Islam (9781558764248): Bernard Lewis: Books

 

[Jos]

People born in Palestine?

So using your logic, if there is no difference, why are Arabs in the area called "Palestinians" and Israeli born Jews are not?

What makes the right of and Israeli born Jew "less" "Palestinian" then Muslim Arab, that people think that should "go back to Europe" or "Move to Australia"?

People born in Palestine should have the right to live there, even children of Palestinian refugees, born in a foreign Land should have the right of return to there native land, should they so desire, with equal rights and justice and peace

 

[Lipush]

People born in Palestine?

So using your logic, if there is no difference, why are Arabs in the area called "Palestinians" and Israeli born Jews are not?

What makes the right of and Israeli born Jew "less" "Palestinian" then Muslim Arab, that people think that should "go back to Europe" or "Move to Australia"?

People born in Palestine should have the right to live there, even children of Palestinian refugees, born in a foreign Land should have the right of return to there native land, should they so desire, with equal rights and justice and peace

That makes sanse.

Only if the right Israeli children have to live in security and peace, make sense, combined with that.

 

[JStone]

People born in Palestine?

So using your logic, if there is no difference, why are Arabs in the area called "Palestinians" and Israeli born Jews are not?

What makes the right of and Israeli born Jew "less" "Palestinian" then Muslim Arab, that people think that should "go back to Europe" or "Move to Australia"?

People born in Palestine should have the right to live there, even children of Palestinian refugees, born in a foreign Land should have the right of return to there native land, should they so desire, with equal rights and justice and peace

Jos





Palestine is a bogus European word for Israel, Dunce. The Romans invented the word palestine and imposed it on Israel during the Roman Empire.

That would be the Romans from Italy. Italy is in Europe. Open a book in the dunce corner

Biblical Historian and Scholar Dr. Paula Fredriksen, Professor of Religion, Boston University; Ph.D, History of Religion, Princeton University; Diploma in Theology, Oxford University

The Judean revolt against Rome was led by [Jewish rebel] Bar Kochba in 132-135 CE. The immediate causes of this rebellion are obscure. Its result was not: [Roman Emperor] Hadrian crushed the revolt and banned Jews from Judea.

The Romans now designated this territory by a political neologism, "Palestine" [a Latin form of "Philistine"], in a deliberate effort to denationalize Jewish/Judean territory. And, finally, Hadrian eradicated Jewish Jerusalem, erecting upon its ruins a new pagan city, Aelia Capitolina.
Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews by Paula Fredriksen - Book - Random House

PBS...

In 70 AD, after a siege marked by starvation and terror crucifixions, the Roman army broke through the walls of Jerusalem. Not only did they kill thousands of Jews, they laid waste to the Temple, the only place on Earth, according to Biblical law, where Jews could worship God.

It was the death of the religion of Priests and sacrifices described by the Hebrew Bible. But, it would not be the death of Judaism. In the years ahead, some of the greatest religious minds in history would struggle to reinvent the religion of Moses and David.

But, the Jews would be forced to work during a period of almost inconceivable bloodshed and turmoil. They would watch their people be expelled from Jerusalem on pain of death and see the name of their homeland changed from Judea to Palestine

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[P F Tinmore]

[quote

you win a coin

Does it say British on the coin?
If a coins says "Palestine", lets say, from the beginning of the 20's century, does that make the Jews of Israel in the 20-30's "Palestinians"?

We might just be on to somthing, here.

Palestine was created and its international borders were defined in 1922. All of the people, be they Muslim, Christian, or Jew, whose normal residence was within those borders at that time were legally Palestinian. Since that time all those who legally immigrated to Palestine and obtained Palestinian citizenship were Palestinians.

 

[JStone]

[quote

Does it say British on the coin?

If a coins says "Palestine", lets say, from the beginning of the 20's century, does that make the Jews of Israel in the 20-30's "Palestinians"?

We might just be on to somthing, here.

Palestine was created and its international borders were defined in 1922. All of the people, be they Muslim, Christian, or Jew, whose normal residence was within those borders at that time were legally Palestinian. Since that time all those who legally immigrated to Palestine and obtained Palestinian citizenship were Palestinians.

Palestine is a Latin/English word was invented by the Romans and, later, the British to designate Israel.

Are the palesteeenians Italian or English? Do they speak arabic with an Italian or English accent

 

[MJB12741]

The first known documented Palestinian coins were inscribed in Hebrew. Holy mackeral, is it actually possible the Arab Muslim Palestinians are stealing Israel's land instead of the other way around? Boy that's a tough one to figure out, huh?

Oh Come on Palestinians, You Can’t Claim a Hebrew Coin from the First Century as Part of Your Cultural Heritage! | Zwinglius Redivivus

 

[JStone]

The British Museum: Silver Shekel of the First Jewish Revolt from Rome. Jewish, AD 66 From Judaea [Modern Israel] British Museum - Silver shekel of the First Jewish Revolt from Rome

The First Jewish Coins Produced In Silver

On two occasions the Jews raised armed revolts against Roman domination. the revolts, in AD 66-70 and 133-135, seem to have occurred mainly for religioius reasons. On both occasions the rebel leaders struck coins in silver, presumably, to pay their soldiers.

The coins issued at the time of the First Revolt were the first Jewish coins produced in silver. Each carried a date according to the year of the Revolt -years 1 to 5].

While the need to pay troops may have provided the motivation for the issue of the silver coins, the opportunity was nonetheless taken to express Jewish national and religioius sentiments. This was achieved both through the choice of designs and a return to the use of Hebrew for coin legends.

On the front of this coin can be seen the representation of a holy vessel, presumably from the Temple. The legend reads "Shekel of Israel" and the date "Year 1" On the reverse is a branch with three pomegranates, also an emblem of religious significance. The legend on this side reads "Holy Jerusalem"
British Museum - Silver shekel of the First Jewish Revolt from Rome

 

[Hossfly]

[quote

Does it say British on the coin?
If a coins says "Palestine", lets say, from the beginning of the 20's century, does that make the Jews of Israel in the 20-30's "Palestinians"?

We might just be on to somthing, here.

Palestine was created and its international borders were defined in 1922. All of the people, be they Muslim, Christian, or Jew, whose normal residence was within those borders at that time were legally Palestinian. Since that time all those who legally immigrated to Palestine and obtained Palestinian citizenship were Palestinians.

Tinmore, how many hundreds of times do you need to be told---THERE AIN'T NO PALESTINE ? Never was, never will be.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Does it say British on the coin?
If a coins says "Palestine", lets say, from the beginning of the 20's century, does that make the Jews of Israel in the 20-30's "Palestinians"?

We might just be on to somthing, here.

Palestine was created and its international borders were defined in 1922. All of the people, be they Muslim, Christian, or Jew, whose normal residence was within those borders at that time were legally Palestinian. Since that time all those who legally immigrated to Palestine and obtained Palestinian citizenship were Palestinians.

Tinmore, how many hundreds of times do you need to be told---THERE AIN'T NO PALESTINE ? Never was, never will be.

Responding to the Security Council resolution of 16 November 1948,(2) calling upon them, as a further provisional measure under Article 40 of the Charter of the United Nations and in order to facilitate the transition from the present truce to permanent peace in Palestine, to negotiate an armistice;

Article V

1. The Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the international boundary between the Lebanon and Palestine.

The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949

Hmmm, seems like it was still there in 1949. Still had a border with Lebanon too.

When did that change?

 

[JStone]

Does it say British on the coin?
If a coins says "Palestine", lets say, from the beginning of the 20's century, does that make the Jews of Israel in the 20-30's "Palestinians"?

We might just be on to somthing, here.

Palestine was created and its international borders were defined in 1922. All of the people, be they Muslim, Christian, or Jew, whose normal residence was within those borders at that time were legally Palestinian. Since that time all those who legally immigrated to Palestine and obtained Palestinian citizenship were Palestinians.

Tinmore, how many hundreds of times do you need to be told---THERE AIN'T NO PALESTINE ? Never was, never will be.

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[P F Tinmore]

Palestine was created and its international borders were defined in 1922. All of the people, be they Muslim, Christian, or Jew, whose normal residence was within those borders at that time were legally Palestinian. Since that time all those who legally immigrated to Palestine and obtained Palestinian citizenship were Palestinians.

Tinmore, how many hundreds of times do you need to be told---THERE AIN'T NO PALESTINE ? Never was, never will be.

Responding to the Security Council resolution of 16 November 1948,(2) calling upon them, as a further provisional measure under Article 40 of the Charter of the United Nations and in order to facilitate the transition from the present truce to permanent peace in Palestine, to negotiate an armistice;

Article V

1. The Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the international boundary between the Lebanon and Palestine.

The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949

Hmmm, seems like it was still there in 1949. Still had a border with Lebanon too.

When did that change?

Where the existing truce lines run along the international boundary between Syria and Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the boundary line

The Avalon Project : Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949

Palestine still has a border with Syria too.

 

[JStone]

Tinmore, how many hundreds of times do you need to be told---THERE AIN'T NO PALESTINE ? Never was, never will be.

Hmmm, seems like it was still there in 1949. Still had a border with Lebanon too.

When did that change?

Where the existing truce lines run along the international boundary between Syria and Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the boundary line

The Avalon Project : Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949

Palestine still has a border with Syria too.

There is no Palestine, which the Romans invented to call Israel 1500 years ago.

The correct name of the land of the indigenous Jews is Israel.

No rep points for you.

Biblical Historian and Scholar Dr. Paula Fredriksen, Professor of Religion, Boston University; Ph.D, History of Religion, Princeton University; Diploma in Theology, Oxford University

The Judean revolt against Rome was led by [Jewish rebel] Bar Kochba in 132-135 CE. The immediate causes of this rebellion are obscure. Its result was not: [Roman Emperor] Hadrian crushed the revolt and banned Jews from Judea.

The Romans now designated this territory by a political neologism, "Palestine" [a Latin form of "Philistine"], in a deliberate effort to denationalize Jewish/Judean territory. And, finally, Hadrian eradicated Jewish Jerusalem, erecting upon its ruins a new pagan city, Aelia Capitolina.
Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews by Paula Fredriksen - Book - Random House

PBS...

In 70 AD, after a siege marked by starvation and terror crucifixions, the Roman army broke through the walls of Jerusalem. Not only did they kill thousands of Jews, they laid waste to the Temple, the only place on Earth, according to Biblical law, where Jews could worship God.

It was the death of the religion of Priests and sacrifices described by the Hebrew Bible. But, it would not be the death of Judaism. In the years ahead, some of the greatest religious minds in history would struggle to reinvent the religion of Moses and David.

But, the Jews would be forced to work during a period of almost inconceivable bloodshed and turmoil. They would watch their people be expelled from Jerusalem on pain of death and see the name of their homeland changed from Judea to Palestine

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLypbbijk2I&feature=relmfu]The Gifts of the Jews - YouTube[/ame]