Israel And The “De-legitimization” Oxymoron

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    The question is: How can you de-legitimize something (in this case the Zionist state) which it is NOT legitimate?

    The truth of the time was that Israel, which came into being mainly as a consequence of Zionist terrorism and pre-planned ethnic cleansing, had no right to exist and, more to the point, could have no right to exist unless ….. Unless it was recognised and legitimized by those who were dispossessed of their land and their rights during the creation of the Zionist state. In international law only the Palestinians could give Israel the legitimacy it craved.

    As it was put to me many years ago by Khalad al-Hassan, Fatah’s intellectual giant on the right, that legitimacy was “the only thing the Zionists could not take from us by force.”

    The truth of history as summarised briefly above is the explanation of why, really, Zionism has always insisted that its absolute pre-condition for negotiations with more than a snowball’s chance in hell of a successful outcome (an acceptable measure of justice for the Palestinians and peace for all) is recognition of Israel’s right to exist. A right, it knows, it does not have and will never have unless the Palestinians grant it.

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    Perhaps Tinny can tell us what makes the Hashemites the legitimate rulers of Jordan. Does he actually think that they should have been given 78% of the Palestinian Mandate just because they helped the British in World War I? How come he is having a problem with Israel being a state, but has no problem with the Hashemites (a tribe which was actually foreign to the area) ruling Jordan. By the way, I wonder if Tinny can give us a good reason why the UN said that anyone in the area for only two years could be considered a refugee. Does he really think that anyone living in that area for such a short time actually had land which was dispossessed? The Arabs who did have land and other assets stayed in Israel and are now citizens of Israel.
     
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    Aw, poor Tinmore. Israel IS & Palestine IS NOT. But hey, look at the bright side. Long after your life is over, Israel will still be thriving. And you won't have to suffer over it anymore.

    QUOTE=P F Tinmore;5122572]The question is: How can you de-legitimize something (in this case the Zionist state) which it is NOT legitimate?

    The truth of the time was that Israel, which came into being mainly as a consequence of Zionist terrorism and pre-planned ethnic cleansing, had no right to exist and, more to the point, could have no right to exist unless ….. Unless it was recognised and legitimized by those who were dispossessed of their land and their rights during the creation of the Zionist state. In international law only the Palestinians could give Israel the legitimacy it craved.

    As it was put to me many years ago by Khalad al-Hassan, Fatah’s intellectual giant on the right, that legitimacy was “the only thing the Zionists could not take from us by force.”

    The truth of history as summarised briefly above is the explanation of why, really, Zionism has always insisted that its absolute pre-condition for negotiations with more than a snowball’s chance in hell of a successful outcome (an acceptable measure of justice for the Palestinians and peace for all) is recognition of Israel’s right to exist. A right, it knows, it does not have and will never have unless the Palestinians grant it.

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    I wonder why you say something isn't legal when obviously it is. The Jews have a homeland. Get. Used to it.

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