Is Reality Beginning To Seep In Yet?

Besides the fact that 47% figure is wrong... Federal Income tax isn't the only tax that is paid.

Yes, they have no liability because after they've paid ALL THEIR OTHER TAXES, they get a large chunk of their money back.

No it's correct because it was specifically quoted that 47% pay no federal income tax. No other tax was mentioned.

And tell me if you are not exempt from federal gas taxes when you fill up why should your income be exempt from federal income tax?

You mean other than you don't make enough money TO tax?

Originally, the income tax was only applied to the rich. As it should be.

So then how come there is no such thing as not buying enough gas to tax?

If there is an income tax and you have an income then there is enough to be taxed.

You want to treat income differently than any other commodity when in reality all your paycheck is is your profit from selling your labor to an employee.

It should be taxed like any other profit.
 
If guns kill people, how does anyone get out of a gun show alive?

No bullets in 'em. In fact, they're rather insistent on that point. Hmmm? I wonder why?

Hahahahahahahahaha

So guns don't kill people but bullets do?

Nope. Slugs, fired from guns with bullets, tearing through flesh and vital organs is what kills ya.

None too complicated, I'd think. Seems it's not lost on gun show organizers, either.
 
No bullets in 'em. In fact, they're rather insistent on that point. Hmmm? I wonder why?

Hahahahahahahahaha

So guns don't kill people but bullets do?

Nope. Slugs, fired from guns with bullets, tearing through flesh and vital organs is what kills ya.

None too complicated, I'd think. Seems it's not lost on gun show organizers, either.

Chicago has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation and has a high rate of murder by guns. Why?
 
Are you guys being paid to divert this thread into a gun control thread so that the OP won't be discussed?

I'm pretty sure kios is finished with his side trip about guns since he can't answer my question. He's having a bad day.
 
So guns don't kill people but bullets do?

Nope. Slugs, fired from guns with bullets, tearing through flesh and vital organs is what kills ya.

None too complicated, I'd think. Seems it's not lost on gun show organizers, either.

Chicago has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation and has a high rate of murder by guns. Why?

Gangs. Higher rates of poverty. And myriad places outside of Chicago where guns are easily purchased.

Surely that's not a complicated thing to grasp, is it?
 
Nope. Slugs, fired from guns with bullets, tearing through flesh and vital organs is what kills ya.

None too complicated, I'd think. Seems it's not lost on gun show organizers, either.

Chicago has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation and has a high rate of murder by guns. Why?

Gangs. Higher rates of poverty. And myriad places outside of Chicago where guns are easily purchased.

Surely that's not a complicated thing to grasp, is it?

So you admit law breakers ignore gun control laws. Okay. Now tell us how to stop all the murders by guns in Chicago.
 
The reality is that the rich don't have enough money to support this government if the government took all of it. They will have to tax the not so rich too, and that won't be enough.
 
The reality is that the rich don't have enough money to support this government if the government took all of it. They will have to tax the not so rich too, and that won't be enough.

And that is exactly what will happen just like in every other nation that has take the socialist route. The left doesn't get it because they do not see the United States of America as exceptional. The left would bankrupt this nation and make us weaker in the process and not bat an eye. How do I know? Because they are doing it right now.
 
Chicago has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation and has a high rate of murder by guns. Why?

Gangs. Higher rates of poverty. And myriad places outside of Chicago where guns are easily purchased.

Surely that's not a complicated thing to grasp, is it?

So you admit law breakers ignore gun control laws. Okay. Now tell us how to stop all the murders by guns in Chicago.

Not really something one would admit. If you ignore a law to an extent that you'll break it, you're a law-breaker by default. Surely that's not lost on you; yeah?

And big cities, with big city problems, and rising gang violence, will enact laws in hope of mitigating gun use. Most have, and it works quite well (sever sentencing when a gun is used or even on the person committing the crime.) Some, as Chicago has, might go another step further, to make certain types of weapons more difficult to get. But local laws have a very limited mitigating effect, since travel to where they can get them is realtively easy for any with the money to buy them; they probably own a car too, or know someone who does.

Ergo, why I support national bans of certain weapons, especially survival/assualt weapons.
 
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The reality is that the rich don't have enough money to support this government if the government took all of it. They will have to tax the not so rich too, and that won't be enough.

That is very true so long as we have a government intent on buying/bribing the hearts and minds of the people so as to increase its own power, prestige, influence, and personal fortunes.

A government big and powerful enough to address every problem of humankind from condoms to heart transplants, and that presumes the ability to pay for it, is big and powerful enough to do anything to anybody that it wants to do.

Unfortunately history suggests that once government assumes the power to do anything to anybody that it wants to do, the people are never quite happy with the end results of that. And they are never as well off as they could have been under a capitalist system.
 
Gangs. Higher rates of poverty. And myriad places outside of Chicago where guns are easily purchased.

Surely that's not a complicated thing to grasp, is it?

So you admit law breakers ignore gun control laws. Okay. Now tell us how to stop all the murders by guns in Chicago.

Not really something one would admit. If you ignore a law to an extent that you'll break it, you're a law-breaker by default. Surely that's not lost on you; yeah?

And big cities, with big city problems, and rising gang violence, will enact laws in hope of mitigating gun use. Most have, and it works quite well (sever sentencing when a gun is used or even on the person committing the crime.) Some, as Chicago has, might go another step further, to make certain types of weapons more difficult to get. But local laws have a very limited mitigating effect, since travel to where they can get them is realtively easy for any with the money to buy them; they probably own a car too, or know someone who does.

Ergo, why I support national bans of certain weapons, especially survival/assualt weapons.

You still haven't told us how to fix Chicago's gun murder disaster. You admit gun laws aren't working in Chicago. Don't you have a solution? You keep telling us how smart you are. Why can't you tell us how to fix Chicago where your dear leader is from? Looks to me like ridicule and mockery is about all you have. Now I see why you support Obama.
 
The reality is that the rich don't have enough money to support this government if the government took all of it. They will have to tax the not so rich too, and that won't be enough.

That is very true so long as we have a government intent on buying/bribing the hearts and minds of the people so as to increase its own power, prestige, influence, and personal fortunes.

A government big and powerful enough to address every problem of humankind from condoms to heart transplants, and that presumes the ability to pay for it, is big and powerful enough to do anything to anybody that it wants to do.

Unfortunately history suggests that once government assumes the power to do anything to anybody that it wants to do, the people are never quite happy with the end results of that. And they are never as well off as they could have been under a capitalist system.

Just repeating this in hopes that the gun control addicts will move to a gun control thread and lets discuss Obama economics on this one.

One last attempt. And if this doesn't do the trick, oh well. I'll be unsubscribing and will wish everybody a pleasant day.
 
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So you admit law breakers ignore gun control laws. Okay. Now tell us how to stop all the murders by guns in Chicago.

Not really something one would admit. If you ignore a law to an extent that you'll break it, you're a law-breaker by default. Surely that's not lost on you; yeah?

And big cities, with big city problems, and rising gang violence, will enact laws in hope of mitigating gun use. Most have, and it works quite well (sever sentencing when a gun is used or even on the person committing the crime.) Some, as Chicago has, might go another step further, to make certain types of weapons more difficult to get. But local laws have a very limited mitigating effect, since travel to where they can get them is realtively easy for any with the money to buy them; they probably own a car too, or know someone who does.

Ergo, why I support national bans of certain weapons, especially survival/assualt weapons.

You still haven't told us how to fix Chicago's gun murder disaster. You admit gun laws aren't working in Chicago. Don't you have a solution? You keep telling us how smart you are. Why can't you tell us how to fix Chicago where your dear leader is from? Looks to me like ridicule and mockery is about all you have. Now I see why you support Obama.

Make guns more difficult to acquire, nationally. Crossing the border internationally subjects folks to possible search, and would thus be done far less often. In time, we might mitigate (not eliminate; just reduce) gun violence, which is real problem, in America.
 
Not really something one would admit. If you ignore a law to an extent that you'll break it, you're a law-breaker by default. Surely that's not lost on you; yeah?

And big cities, with big city problems, and rising gang violence, will enact laws in hope of mitigating gun use. Most have, and it works quite well (sever sentencing when a gun is used or even on the person committing the crime.) Some, as Chicago has, might go another step further, to make certain types of weapons more difficult to get. But local laws have a very limited mitigating effect, since travel to where they can get them is realtively easy for any with the money to buy them; they probably own a car too, or know someone who does.

Ergo, why I support national bans of certain weapons, especially survival/assualt weapons.

You still haven't told us how to fix Chicago's gun murder disaster. You admit gun laws aren't working in Chicago. Don't you have a solution? You keep telling us how smart you are. Why can't you tell us how to fix Chicago where your dear leader is from? Looks to me like ridicule and mockery is about all you have. Now I see why you support Obama.

Make guns more difficult to acquire, nationally. Crossing the border internationally subjects folks to possible search, and would thus be done far less often. In time, we might mitigate (not eliminate; just reduce) gun violence, which is real problem, in America.

Do you believe that is going to reduce the crimes of gangs? Do you think somehow you will finally pass the magic bill that stops the gang crime? You're still not attacking the problem.
 
The goal all along has been to raise taxes.

Obama doesn't want to cut spending because he can't justify the tax increases. He doesn't want to allow fracking on federal land because it would produce revenue and then he couldn't justify raising taxes. He thinks Obamacare is the solution to every problem, which will lead to more and more tax increases.
 
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The goal all along has been to raise taxes.

Obama doesn't want to cut spending because he can't justify the tax increases. He doesn't want to allow fracking on federal land because it would produce revenue and then he couldn't justify raising taxes. He thinks Obamacare is the solution to every problem, which will lead to more and more tax increases.

Nobody wants to cut spending, in any terms other than figuratively. That's why we're in the clusterfuck we are: we have spending cut targets pushed out to some arbitrary date, since no one has the balls to tell voters they took away popular shit. Then the day comes, and they kick it down the road a bit futher. Pure fucking comedy, except it's not doing the work of the people, which is what we pay them to do.
 
You still haven't told us how to fix Chicago's gun murder disaster. You admit gun laws aren't working in Chicago. Don't you have a solution? You keep telling us how smart you are. Why can't you tell us how to fix Chicago where your dear leader is from? Looks to me like ridicule and mockery is about all you have. Now I see why you support Obama.

Make guns more difficult to acquire, nationally. Crossing the border internationally subjects folks to possible search, and would thus be done far less often. In time, we might mitigate (not eliminate; just reduce) gun violence, which is real problem, in America.

Do you believe that is going to reduce the crimes of gangs? Do you think somehow you will finally pass the magic bill that stops the gang crime? You're still not attacking the problem.

Gun violence, in time. Read it again.
 

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