Iran Vows to Violate UN Restrictions on Ballistic Missiles

[NotfooledbyW]

Freewill 12213758

What an incredible crock of anti-American BS. Bush did not get his ass handed to him in Iraq. The war was over quickly with a far less lost of life then you anti-Americans said there would be. All objectives met. The bad that is happening today is Obama's fault no one else. The lies being told is YOUR fault.

In 2008 384 Americans were killed during what you call the war being over and all objectives met. So you are straight up lying about the war being over and all objectives met. And specifically the main objective was to take the stockpiles of WMD that was alleged to be there.

The invasion's objective could never have been met because Bush himself admits that the WMD he used to justify the invasion was not there.

And the reason Bush had his ass handed to him is because pre-war estimates in cost $50 billion tops/ greeted as liberators/ Iraq's oil would pay for the invasion/ months not years for duration.

You suffer delusions that not even Bush suffers. At least Bush admits it makes him sick to his stomach every time he thinks about not finding the WMD that he said was being hidden from UN inspectors there.

And Bush set the date for all troops to be gone not Obama - not that it would have made a difference anyway, What objectives were met when Bush surrendered to Maliki and Muqtada al Sadr and gave up entirely on establishing permanent U.S. Military bases inside Iraq.

Go check Bush's negotiating targets in 2007 and 2008. Bush wanted a long term deal with permanent bases. He surrendered it all in December 2008 the year almost 400 American soldiers breathed their last breath in Iraq. For what? So Shiite Iraq and Shiite Iran could become joined and more powerful together. Some victory you've conjured up there / unless you really are pro-Iran after all.

 

[nat4900]

And the reason Bush had his ass handed to him is because pre-war estimates in cost $50 billion tops/ greeted as liberators/ Iraq's oil would pay for the invasion/ months not years for duration.

In a truly just world, GWB AND Cheney would be tried for war crimes.....

 

[edthecynic]

It,is,universally agreed that the sanctions will never be reinstated because Russia and China will not agree to,them. You do not live in realville. They will not abide by any of the treaty and will have a bomb in less than five years.

Russia, China and India have already said they will end the sanctions whether or not the US ratifies the agreement, and those 3 countries hold the bulk of the Iranian money. That is realville! The realville that the sanctions are permanently over no matter what the US does.

 

[nat4900]

Russia, China and India have already said they will end the sanctions whether or not the US ratifies the agreement, and those 3 countries hold the bulk of the Iranian money. That is realville! The realville that the sanctions are over no matter what the US does.

That simple and direct truth escapes the biased and war-mongering half brains of many right wingers.

The idiot-senator Cotton, was quoted as telling Netanyahu that he would go back to the senate and do "everything in his power" to overturn the proposed deal and that he, stands with Israel's wishes.......
Mind you, he didn't say with US's best interests...but Israel's; when do the words "treason" or "stupid" begin to be used?

 

[edthecynic]

How many republicans in the house or senate have gone on record saying we should attack Iran?

The leading by a lot Republican candidate for president says we should take their oil, do you really think that can be done without war? And by the way, Russia, China and India want the oil too which Iran is presently selling to them, that is where the sanction money is coming from, so whose side do you think they will be on???

 

[NotfooledbyW]

The one that bombed the crap out of libya and then sent our ambassador in and he got killed?

Gadhafi was ordered by the UN to stand down on attacking civilians. He didn't. Saddam Hussein was cooperating under UN Resolution 1441 when Bush attacked Iraq using ground troops. Big difference that you are somehow oblivious to,

There are two reasons that justify using military force against a sovereign nation. Self Defense including retaliatory self defense as was the case in Afghanistan. The other is to stop genocide which was the case in Libya. Neither cause for the U.S. Ground invasion of Iraq in March 2003 existed.

 

[Rozman]

Let's review. The PM has said they will still fund terrorism, that they will build up their military, and now we know that they at least think they have more flexibility with their ballistic missile program. Quite the deal. What in the hell does Iran need ballistic missiles? If the liberal left tells me I don't need an AK47 then why not tell Iran they don't really need ballistic missiles. Unless of course Israel really doesn't matter. Iran Vows to Violate UN Restrictions on Ballistic Missiles Iranian President Hassan Rouhani vowed that the Islamic Republic would violate outstanding United Nations restrictions governing the country’s ballistic missile program and that the behavior would not violate the recent nuclear accord, according to a translation of the leader’s remarks performed by the CIA’s Open Source Center.

Then sanctions get re-imposed. That's the way treaties work. If one side violates the terms, the treaty is void. It doesn't matter what someone says now; it matters what they do when the treaty is in effect. Hopefully they'll realize that course of action isn't in their interest. There are no guarantees. Expecting them is unrealistic.

The reason the left pushed for this deal as is was because the threat of continuing sanctions was losing it impact.....
The left said that continuing sanctions was not going to happen because the other countries in the mix would not go along with
letting them continue.

 

[edthecynic]

The reason the left pushed for this deal as is was because the threat of continuing sanctions was losing it impact.....
The left said that continuing sanctions was not going to happen because the other countries in the mix would not go along with
letting them continue.

Exactly!
Russia, China and India are buying the Iranian oil and that money is going into the sanctions account. Iran can use that money only to import products from the countries they are selling their oil to, but Iran is not selling much more than they need to offset their trade purchases and those three countries want to buy more oil from Iran. By ending the sanctions Iran will sell them more oil than just an amount somewhat equal to the products Iran imports from the three countries.

The sanctions are history no matter what the US does, and the GOP and the Right know it!

 

[eagle1462010]

So was Hitler's Germany. Capitulation doesn't work and neither does the UN.

It is idiots....like you......that call for the dogs of war to be unleashed every few years.....

Iran is THREE-plus times the size of Iraq....has a powerful army, air force and navy. A war with them would cost us thousands and thousands of lives; probably (based on the war ON Iraq) would also cost us $5 trillions; ........all to prove that morons like you believe that we are chosen by God to be the bullies of the world.

 

[eagle1462010]

Get the politicians out of military affairs.......
Don't go in to rebuild jack squat......

And take out their inept forces and Nuclear sites and leave..............

No more Nuke problem..............

They are a state sponsor of terror, and we are going to turn over 150 BILLION for them to buy more weapons from Russia and China..........

Liberals are fucking stupid.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

eagle1462010

Get the politicians out of military affairs.......

If you want to live in a military dictatorship you could probably find a few to choose from. Don't seek to turn the U.S. Into such a thing.

 

[eagle1462010]

eagle1462010

Get the politicians out of military affairs.......

If you want to live in a military dictatorship you could probably find a few to choose from. Don't seek to turn the U.S. Into such a thing.

You need a course on enemy recognition.

Most of our guys came home in bags from advanced IED tech from Iran...............

Let's do a deal with that..........Only a liberal nut job would do that.

 

[nat4900]

And take out their inept forces and Nuclear sites and leave..............

No more Nuke problem

Of course, you can always call on Superman (check the Metropolis phone book) to do the above for us.....

Problem solved, right?

 

[Freewill]

So was Hitler's Germany. Capitulation doesn't work and neither does the UN.

It is idiots....like you......that call for the dogs of war to be unleashed every few years.....

Iran is THREE-plus times the size of Iraq....has a powerful army, air force and navy. A war with them would cost us thousands and thousands of lives; probably (based on the war ON Iraq) would also cost us $5 trillions; ........all to prove that morons like you believe that we are chosen by God to be the bullies of the world.

It is morons like you that think Obama has not already unleashed the dogs of war. WTF do you think he did in Afgahanistan with his surge? What do you think he is doing in Syria. What do you think is the bombing of Libya? What the hell is wrong with you people. Not giving a known avowed sponsor of terrorism the upper hand is not unleashing the dogs of war. YOU and YOUR ilk are the ones whose policy of appeasement and feel good BS treaties that cause wars. Clinton did it with his foreign policy and now Obama. Maybe Iran won't do WHAT THEY SAY THEY are going to do. Maybe. But not accepting Kerry's and Obama's "this is the best deal we can get" BS will lead to greater war.

We, and the world should be dictating terms to Iran, not the other way around then saying it is the best we could do. Lead from strength not from the rear. But liberals like it in the rear.

 

[Freewill]

If the liberal left tells me I don't need an AK47 then why not tell Iran they don't really need ballistic missiles.

I think you should be allowed to own an AK-47.

And the US has told Iran they don't need ballistic missiles. If Iran violates the UN resolution, then the UN is free to act on that.


One very important factor people seem to keep forgetting is that Iran is a sovereign nation. Iran doesn't have to do jack shit that anybody else wants them to do. They have every right to acquire nuclear weapons.

National sovereignty is the starting point, capiche?

So was Hitler's Germany.

Right up to the moment when they violated the sovereignty of other nations. It was only then that capitulation was unforgivable.

We have not capitulated to Iran. Whenever they yield to us in the slightest, if they turn over a single centrifuge or a single gram of uranium, it is they who are capitulating their own sovereignty.

Peace in our time.......

What happens when the ballistic missile lands in Israel because we took the best deal that Iran had to offer?

 

[Freewill]

Truth is, deal or no deal, nothing is going to change, Iran has already said that. So they don't get a nuke they don't need, they get everything else. And it is laughable that the left screams that the right uses fear when the whole agreement is predicated on fear.

 

[Freewill]

Maybe the left wing morons would read these two articles, EXACTLY what I have been saying. This deal is a boom for American weapons makers and will lead to even more war, but it is the best Iran could give us.

ARMS RACE: Kerry Promises Billions in Weaponry to Israel, Saudis in Wake of Nuke Deal...

TOP BRASS: Deal INCREASES Likelihood of War...

 

[nat4900]

It is morons like you that think Obama has not already unleashed the dogs of war. WTF do you think he did in Afgahanistan with his surge? What do you think he is doing in Syria. What do you think is the bombing of Libya? What the hell is wrong with you people. Not giving a known avowed sponsor of terrorism the upper hand is not unleashing the dogs of war. YOU and YOUR ilk are the ones whose policy of appeasement and feel good BS treaties that cause wars.

If you ever wondered why so many people label you an idiot, (as I'm sure they do) here's why:

First, you vent your spleen about Obama (and Obama supporters) are war mongers (Afghanistan, Syria, Libya)

Second, you ....in the next sentence....call progressives "weak" in the policies of appeasement.

Third, in your sick half-brain you call "treaties" the real cause of wars....not invasions a-la Cheney and his sidekick Bush, not arming the Contras a-la Reagan, etc.

See, you are so full of Obama hatred that you will be writhing in your own bile.....and I'm glad to see you whimper.

 

[nat4900]

Peace in our time.......

What happens when the ballistic missile lands in Israel because we took the best deal that Iran had to offer?

Idiot...Israel already has THREE HUNDRED-plus nukes sitting in the desert....and Iran is fully aware of this.

So, what happens when a ballistic missile lands in Seoul?

So, what happens when a ballistic missile lands in Mumbai?

So, what happens when a ballistic missile lands in Kiev?

 

[edthecynic]

They are a state sponsor of terror, and we are going to turn over 150 BILLION for them to buy more weapons from Russia and China..........

We are NOT turning over $150 billion, the US is holding very little in Iranian assets. Russia, China and India are holding well over $100 billion and they are turning it over no matter what we do.

Iran unlikely to spend most of its post-sanctions funds on militants, CIA says

A secret U.S. intelligence assessment predicts that Iran’s government will pump most of an expected $100-billion windfall from the lifting of international sanctions into the country's flagging economy and won't significantly boost funding for militant groups it supports in the Middle East.

Intelligence analysts concluded that even if Tehran increased support for Hezbollah commanders in Lebanon, Houthi rebels in Yemen or President Bashar Assad’s embattled government in Syria, the extra cash is unlikely to tip the balance of power in the world’s most volatile region, according to two U.S. officials who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the intelligence document.

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Iran has about $100 billion frozen in oil escrow accounts in banks in several countries that buy Iranian petroleum products, including China, India, Japan, South Korea and Turkey. U.S. analysts say $50 billion more is frozen in other overseas accounts that could become available later as sanctions ease.

Iran will be able to withdraw the first $100 billion when it has met the initial terms of the nuclear deal, including removing two-thirds of its centrifuges, reducing its enriched uranium stockpile by 98%, disabling its plutonium facility and allowing International U.N. inspectors broad access for monitoring of operations.