“If we need to take it, we’ll take it. (America) can’t stop us,”

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China has agreed to return the US underwater drone its navy unlawfully seized in the South China Sea; however, it blames the U.S. for the incident.

The Ministry of National Defense (MND) said Saturday that China will return the unmanned underwater vehicle (UUV) that a People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) vessel stole from a U.S. naval oceanographic vessel operating in international waters Thursday.

The MND said that the Chinese navy detected an “unidentified device” in the South China Sea. “In order to prevent the device from endangering the navigation safety and the safety of personnel aboard passing ships, the Chinese ship adopted a professional and responsible attitude and moved to identify and verify the device.”

“After verification was completed, China decided to hand the device over to the U.S.,” MND spokesman Yang Yujun explained.

“Through direct engagement with Chinese authorities, we have secured an understanding that the Chinese will return the UUV to the United States,” Pentagon Press Secretary Peter Cook said.

The Chinese defense ministry slammed Washington for “inappropriately” and “regrettably” hyping up the problem, arguing that such actions are “not conducive to smoothly resolving problems.”

“It should be emphasized that the U.S. has for a long time been sending ships and planes into Chinese waters for reconnaissance purposes. China is firmly opposed to these activities and demands the U.S. stop immediately,” Yang asserted, “China will remain vigilant to U.S. activities and shall take necessary measures to respond.”

The MND’s explanation does not appear to line up with the details of the incident, though.

The Pentagon states that the drone was operating legally in international waters and was clearly marked as U.S. property.

The UUV and the control ship, the USNS Bowditch, were working in an area about 50 miles from Subic Bay in the Philippines at the time of the seizure. Not only was the U.S. operating in international waters outside of China’s notorious nine-dashed line, a territorial demarcation which was discredited in July by an international arbitration tribunal, but the U.S. ship and drone were actually inside the Philippines Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ).

As China has no jurisdiction in the area where the incident occurred, there was no legal justification for the seizure or the shadowing of a U.S. vessel by the Chinese navy.

Furthermore, the drone was conducting scientific research, not military or commercial surveillance, giving it protection under the provisions of international law.

China appears to have violated international law, and the purpose was to send a message to both the current U.S. president and the incoming president.

“If we need to take it, we’ll take it. (America) can’t stop us,” PLA Admiral Yang Yi told the Global Times.

“If Trump and the U.S. government dare challenge China’s policy line and core interests … their heads will be broken and bleeding,” he explained, “This first round is important if we want them to learn to behave themselves.”

A Chinese scholar at a state-sponsored think tank said that the era in which China bowed before the U.S. and humbly accepted humiliations is over.

The next U.S. administration will face a more assertive China determined to reset and restructure international and legal norms to suit its rapidly expanding national interests.

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Given Obama's strong, firm response to this aggression, I'm sure the Chinese will think twice before they try something like this again!!

What? You sure?

Obama didn't say anything?

The Pentagon ASKED for it back?

Wow --- that's potent stuff, right there. That'll teach those Chinese! Next time, they'll probably get a really nasty email !
 
China can do whatever it wants. Neither state can win a war with the other, so both will avoid conflict at all costs. China could "accidentally" nuke Los Angeles, and the United States would still avoid going to war.
 
Trump needs to produce policies that impact them economically and rally other nations against them. If not, China will continue to expand and become a larger threat.
 
Trump needs to produce policies that impact them economically and rally other nations against them. If not, China will continue to expand and become a larger threat.

The United States is hardly any better. People from other countries hardly give a fuck whether the US or China has global hegemony, as long as they are left alone.
 
China can do whatever it wants. Neither state can win a war with the other, so both will avoid conflict at all costs. China could "accidentally" nuke Los Angeles, and the United States would still avoid going to war.


YOU are a dangerously deluded man ....
 
China has agreed to return the US underwater drone its navy unlawfully seized in the South China Sea; however, it blames the U.S. for the incident.

The Ministry of National Defense (MND) said Saturday that China will return the unmanned underwater vehicle (UUV) that a People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) vessel stole from a U.S. naval oceanographic vessel operating in international waters Thursday.

The MND said that the Chinese navy detected an “unidentified device” in the South China Sea. “In order to prevent the device from endangering the navigation safety and the safety of personnel aboard passing ships, the Chinese ship adopted a professional and responsible attitude and moved to identify and verify the device.”

“After verification was completed, China decided to hand the device over to the U.S.,” MND spokesman Yang Yujun explained.

“Through direct engagement with Chinese authorities, we have secured an understanding that the Chinese will return the UUV to the United States,” Pentagon Press Secretary Peter Cook said.

The Chinese defense ministry slammed Washington for “inappropriately” and “regrettably” hyping up the problem, arguing that such actions are “not conducive to smoothly resolving problems.”

“It should be emphasized that the U.S. has for a long time been sending ships and planes into Chinese waters for reconnaissance purposes. China is firmly opposed to these activities and demands the U.S. stop immediately,” Yang asserted, “China will remain vigilant to U.S. activities and shall take necessary measures to respond.”

The MND’s explanation does not appear to line up with the details of the incident, though.

The Pentagon states that the drone was operating legally in international waters and was clearly marked as U.S. property.

The UUV and the control ship, the USNS Bowditch, were working in an area about 50 miles from Subic Bay in the Philippines at the time of the seizure. Not only was the U.S. operating in international waters outside of China’s notorious nine-dashed line, a territorial demarcation which was discredited in July by an international arbitration tribunal, but the U.S. ship and drone were actually inside the Philippines Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ).

As China has no jurisdiction in the area where the incident occurred, there was no legal justification for the seizure or the shadowing of a U.S. vessel by the Chinese navy.

Furthermore, the drone was conducting scientific research, not military or commercial surveillance, giving it protection under the provisions of international law.

China appears to have violated international law, and the purpose was to send a message to both the current U.S. president and the incoming president.

“If we need to take it, we’ll take it. (America) can’t stop us,” PLA Admiral Yang Yi told the Global Times.

“If Trump and the U.S. government dare challenge China’s policy line and core interests … their heads will be broken and bleeding,” he explained, “This first round is important if we want them to learn to behave themselves.”

A Chinese scholar at a state-sponsored think tank said that the era in which China bowed before the U.S. and humbly accepted humiliations is over.

The next U.S. administration will face a more assertive China determined to reset and restructure international and legal norms to suit its rapidly expanding national interests.

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Given Obama's strong, firm response to this aggression, I'm sure the Chinese will think twice before they try something like this again!!

What? You sure?

Obama didn't say anything?

The Pentagon ASKED for it back?

Wow --- that's potent stuff, right there. That'll teach those Chinese! Next time, they'll probably get a really nasty email !
Not just the US they will be facing........Don't know what they are playing at......If it's Taiwan I don't think they have the capacity to move a big enough invasion army......Nor do I think a Chinese blockade of Taiwan would stand.
 
Scary, very scary ... I find your twisted, perverted view of the world to be very scary

Stop talking shit and answer the question. Would the US declare war if China didn't return the missile?

Try to stay on subject.

You said, "China can do whatever it wants. Neither state can win a war with the other, so both will avoid conflict at all costs. China could "accidentally" nuke Los Angeles, and the United States would still avoid going to war."

That makes you a very dangerous person ---- your assumption and support of appeasement scares the hell out of me. If the Chinese start to believe the likes of you, we have got a real problem.

See, now I didn't accuse you of "talking shit" -- although, I must admit that I think what you have said so far to be pretty fucking stupid.
 
China has agreed to return the US underwater drone its navy unlawfully seized in the South China Sea; however, it blames the U.S. for the incident.

The Ministry of National Defense (MND) said Saturday that China will return the unmanned underwater vehicle (UUV) that a People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) vessel stole from a U.S. naval oceanographic vessel operating in international waters Thursday.

The MND said that the Chinese navy detected an “unidentified device” in the South China Sea. “In order to prevent the device from endangering the navigation safety and the safety of personnel aboard passing ships, the Chinese ship adopted a professional and responsible attitude and moved to identify and verify the device.”

“After verification was completed, China decided to hand the device over to the U.S.,” MND spokesman Yang Yujun explained.

“Through direct engagement with Chinese authorities, we have secured an understanding that the Chinese will return the UUV to the United States,” Pentagon Press Secretary Peter Cook said.

The Chinese defense ministry slammed Washington for “inappropriately” and “regrettably” hyping up the problem, arguing that such actions are “not conducive to smoothly resolving problems.”

“It should be emphasized that the U.S. has for a long time been sending ships and planes into Chinese waters for reconnaissance purposes. China is firmly opposed to these activities and demands the U.S. stop immediately,” Yang asserted, “China will remain vigilant to U.S. activities and shall take necessary measures to respond.”

The MND’s explanation does not appear to line up with the details of the incident, though.

The Pentagon states that the drone was operating legally in international waters and was clearly marked as U.S. property.

The UUV and the control ship, the USNS Bowditch, were working in an area about 50 miles from Subic Bay in the Philippines at the time of the seizure. Not only was the U.S. operating in international waters outside of China’s notorious nine-dashed line, a territorial demarcation which was discredited in July by an international arbitration tribunal, but the U.S. ship and drone were actually inside the Philippines Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ).

As China has no jurisdiction in the area where the incident occurred, there was no legal justification for the seizure or the shadowing of a U.S. vessel by the Chinese navy.

Furthermore, the drone was conducting scientific research, not military or commercial surveillance, giving it protection under the provisions of international law.

China appears to have violated international law, and the purpose was to send a message to both the current U.S. president and the incoming president.

“If we need to take it, we’ll take it. (America) can’t stop us,” PLA Admiral Yang Yi told the Global Times.

“If Trump and the U.S. government dare challenge China’s policy line and core interests … their heads will be broken and bleeding,” he explained, “This first round is important if we want them to learn to behave themselves.”

A Chinese scholar at a state-sponsored think tank said that the era in which China bowed before the U.S. and humbly accepted humiliations is over.

The next U.S. administration will face a more assertive China determined to reset and restructure international and legal norms to suit its rapidly expanding national interests.

-------------------------------------------------------------------

Given Obama's strong, firm response to this aggression, I'm sure the Chinese will think twice before they try something like this again!!

What? You sure?

Obama didn't say anything?

The Pentagon ASKED for it back?

Wow --- that's potent stuff, right there. That'll teach those Chinese! Next time, they'll probably get a really nasty email !
Not just the US they will be facing........Don't know what they are playing at......If it's Taiwan I don't think they have the capacity to move a big enough invasion army......Nor do I think a Chinese blockade of Taiwan would stand.

If it were only Taiwan, we'd sell them out in a New York minute.

But it isn't --- China has designs on all of Southeast Asia, as a starter. As soon as they capture the natural resources, their target isn't the US - it's Russia.
 
If it's Taiwan I don't think they have the capacity to move a big enough invasion army

Of course they do. The PRC has been planning a military invasion of the ROC since 1949. The island simply does not have the resources to withstand even a months assault from the PLA.
 
You said, "China can do whatever it wants. Neither state can win a war with the other, so both will avoid conflict at all costs. China could "accidentally" nuke Los Angeles, and the United States would still avoid going to war."

That makes you a very dangerous person ---- your assumption and support of appeasement scares the hell out of me. If the Chinese start to believe the likes of you, we have got a real problem.

That's just reality. Forgive me for not supporting a false narrative, because the truth sounds too anti-US.

You never answered the question either. Would the US go to war if China decided not to give the missile back? If your answer is no, then you are validating that I am correct. China can do whatever it wants, and that's just a fact. Deal with it.
 
You said, "China can do whatever it wants. Neither state can win a war with the other, so both will avoid conflict at all costs. China could "accidentally" nuke Los Angeles, and the United States would still avoid going to war."

That makes you a very dangerous person ---- your assumption and support of appeasement scares the hell out of me. If the Chinese start to believe the likes of you, we have got a real problem.

That's just reality. Forgive me for not supporting a false narrative, because the truth sounds too anti-US.

You never answered the question either. Would the US go to war if China decided not to give the missile back? If your answer is no, then you are validating that I am correct. China can do whatever it wants, and that's just a fact. Deal with it.

No --- you changed the question.

And, you did it because you realized you had let your elephant mouth overload your butterfly brain.
 
China has agreed to return the US underwater drone its navy unlawfully seized in the South China Sea; however, it blames the U.S. for the incident.

The Ministry of National Defense (MND) said Saturday that China will return the unmanned underwater vehicle (UUV) that a People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) vessel stole from a U.S. naval oceanographic vessel operating in international waters Thursday.

The MND said that the Chinese navy detected an “unidentified device” in the South China Sea. “In order to prevent the device from endangering the navigation safety and the safety of personnel aboard passing ships, the Chinese ship adopted a professional and responsible attitude and moved to identify and verify the device.”

“After verification was completed, China decided to hand the device over to the U.S.,” MND spokesman Yang Yujun explained.

“Through direct engagement with Chinese authorities, we have secured an understanding that the Chinese will return the UUV to the United States,” Pentagon Press Secretary Peter Cook said.

The Chinese defense ministry slammed Washington for “inappropriately” and “regrettably” hyping up the problem, arguing that such actions are “not conducive to smoothly resolving problems.”

“It should be emphasized that the U.S. has for a long time been sending ships and planes into Chinese waters for reconnaissance purposes. China is firmly opposed to these activities and demands the U.S. stop immediately,” Yang asserted, “China will remain vigilant to U.S. activities and shall take necessary measures to respond.”

The MND’s explanation does not appear to line up with the details of the incident, though.

The Pentagon states that the drone was operating legally in international waters and was clearly marked as U.S. property.

The UUV and the control ship, the USNS Bowditch, were working in an area about 50 miles from Subic Bay in the Philippines at the time of the seizure. Not only was the U.S. operating in international waters outside of China’s notorious nine-dashed line, a territorial demarcation which was discredited in July by an international arbitration tribunal, but the U.S. ship and drone were actually inside the Philippines Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ).

As China has no jurisdiction in the area where the incident occurred, there was no legal justification for the seizure or the shadowing of a U.S. vessel by the Chinese navy.

Furthermore, the drone was conducting scientific research, not military or commercial surveillance, giving it protection under the provisions of international law.

China appears to have violated international law, and the purpose was to send a message to both the current U.S. president and the incoming president.

“If we need to take it, we’ll take it. (America) can’t stop us,” PLA Admiral Yang Yi told the Global Times.

“If Trump and the U.S. government dare challenge China’s policy line and core interests … their heads will be broken and bleeding,” he explained, “This first round is important if we want them to learn to behave themselves.”

A Chinese scholar at a state-sponsored think tank said that the era in which China bowed before the U.S. and humbly accepted humiliations is over.

The next U.S. administration will face a more assertive China determined to reset and restructure international and legal norms to suit its rapidly expanding national interests.

-------------------------------------------------------------------

Given Obama's strong, firm response to this aggression, I'm sure the Chinese will think twice before they try something like this again!!

What? You sure?

Obama didn't say anything?

The Pentagon ASKED for it back?

Wow --- that's potent stuff, right there. That'll teach those Chinese! Next time, they'll probably get a really nasty email !
Not just the US they will be facing........Don't know what they are playing at......If it's Taiwan I don't think they have the capacity to move a big enough invasion army......Nor do I think a Chinese blockade of Taiwan would stand.

If it were only Taiwan, we'd sell them out in a New York minute.

But it isn't --- China has designs on all of Southeast Asia, as a starter. As soon as they capture the natural resources, their target isn't the US - it's Russia.
Lebensraum? I think India would end up on Russian side in that situation not wanting to face China alone
 
No --- you changed the question.

Stop lying. It's the same question.

Your deflection is noted anyways. Have fun being an intellectually dishonest idiot for the rest of your life.

Look, dumb ass .... you said the Chinese could nuke LA and we wouldn't respond. Do you deny that?

You are definitely more dangerous to Americans than the Chinese. It is idiots like you that cripple our response.
 

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