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Lebensraum? I think India would end up on Russian side in that situation not wanting to face China aloneNot just the US they will be facing........Don't know what they are playing at......If it's Taiwan I don't think they have the capacity to move a big enough invasion army......Nor do I think a Chinese blockade of Taiwan would stand.China has agreed to return the US underwater drone its navy unlawfully seized in the South China Sea; however, it blames the U.S. for the incident.
The Ministry of National Defense (MND) said Saturday that China will return the unmanned underwater vehicle (UUV) that a People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) vessel stole from a U.S. naval oceanographic vessel operating in international waters Thursday.
The MND said that the Chinese navy detected an “unidentified device” in the South China Sea. “In order to prevent the device from endangering the navigation safety and the safety of personnel aboard passing ships, the Chinese ship adopted a professional and responsible attitude and moved to identify and verify the device.”
“After verification was completed, China decided to hand the device over to the U.S.,” MND spokesman Yang Yujun explained.
“Through direct engagement with Chinese authorities, we have secured an understanding that the Chinese will return the UUV to the United States,” Pentagon Press Secretary Peter Cook said.
The Chinese defense ministry slammed Washington for “inappropriately” and “regrettably” hyping up the problem, arguing that such actions are “not conducive to smoothly resolving problems.”
“It should be emphasized that the U.S. has for a long time been sending ships and planes into Chinese waters for reconnaissance purposes. China is firmly opposed to these activities and demands the U.S. stop immediately,” Yang asserted, “China will remain vigilant to U.S. activities and shall take necessary measures to respond.”
The MND’s explanation does not appear to line up with the details of the incident, though.
The Pentagon states that the drone was operating legally in international waters and was clearly marked as U.S. property.
The UUV and the control ship, the USNS Bowditch, were working in an area about 50 miles from Subic Bay in the Philippines at the time of the seizure. Not only was the U.S. operating in international waters outside of China’s notorious nine-dashed line, a territorial demarcation which was discredited in July by an international arbitration tribunal, but the U.S. ship and drone were actually inside the Philippines Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ).
As China has no jurisdiction in the area where the incident occurred, there was no legal justification for the seizure or the shadowing of a U.S. vessel by the Chinese navy.
Furthermore, the drone was conducting scientific research, not military or commercial surveillance, giving it protection under the provisions of international law.
China appears to have violated international law, and the purpose was to send a message to both the current U.S. president and the incoming president.
“If we need to take it, we’ll take it. (America) can’t stop us,” PLA Admiral Yang Yi told the Global Times.
“If Trump and the U.S. government dare challenge China’s policy line and core interests … their heads will be broken and bleeding,” he explained, “This first round is important if we want them to learn to behave themselves.”
A Chinese scholar at a state-sponsored think tank said that the era in which China bowed before the U.S. and humbly accepted humiliations is over.
The next U.S. administration will face a more assertive China determined to reset and restructure international and legal norms to suit its rapidly expanding national interests.
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Given Obama's strong, firm response to this aggression, I'm sure the Chinese will think twice before they try something like this again!!
What? You sure?
Obama didn't say anything?
The Pentagon ASKED for it back?
Wow --- that's potent stuff, right there. That'll teach those Chinese! Next time, they'll probably get a really nasty email !
If it were only Taiwan, we'd sell them out in a New York minute.
But it isn't --- China has designs on all of Southeast Asia, as a starter. As soon as they capture the natural resources, their target isn't the US - it's Russia.
Look, dumb ass .... you said the Chinese could nuke LA and we wouldn't respond. Do you deny that?
Look, dumb ass .... you said the Chinese could nuke LA and we wouldn't respond. Do you deny that?
Apparently satire fails on you idiots. Of course you do not understand satire, because you are an impressionable idiot.
Fun fact: Someone can say something intentionally disingenuous in order to illicit a humorous response while making a semi-serious point at the same time.
I always get a headache after talking to you morons.
You have to get boots on the ground and China can't do it
Is that an apology I hear???
LMAO !!!
I think that's discounting Indian capabilities quite a bit, I think k china would be better off convincing India to stay out and ya know Russia would not hesitate to go nuke. They may have better equipment as far as tanks and AF.....But numbers are not in their favorLebensraum? I think India would end up on Russian side in that situation not wanting to face China aloneNot just the US they will be facing........Don't know what they are playing at......If it's Taiwan I don't think they have the capacity to move a big enough invasion army......Nor do I think a Chinese blockade of Taiwan would stand.China has agreed to return the US underwater drone its navy unlawfully seized in the South China Sea; however, it blames the U.S. for the incident.
The Ministry of National Defense (MND) said Saturday that China will return the unmanned underwater vehicle (UUV) that a People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) vessel stole from a U.S. naval oceanographic vessel operating in international waters Thursday.
The MND said that the Chinese navy detected an “unidentified device” in the South China Sea. “In order to prevent the device from endangering the navigation safety and the safety of personnel aboard passing ships, the Chinese ship adopted a professional and responsible attitude and moved to identify and verify the device.”
“After verification was completed, China decided to hand the device over to the U.S.,” MND spokesman Yang Yujun explained.
“Through direct engagement with Chinese authorities, we have secured an understanding that the Chinese will return the UUV to the United States,” Pentagon Press Secretary Peter Cook said.
The Chinese defense ministry slammed Washington for “inappropriately” and “regrettably” hyping up the problem, arguing that such actions are “not conducive to smoothly resolving problems.”
“It should be emphasized that the U.S. has for a long time been sending ships and planes into Chinese waters for reconnaissance purposes. China is firmly opposed to these activities and demands the U.S. stop immediately,” Yang asserted, “China will remain vigilant to U.S. activities and shall take necessary measures to respond.”
The MND’s explanation does not appear to line up with the details of the incident, though.
The Pentagon states that the drone was operating legally in international waters and was clearly marked as U.S. property.
The UUV and the control ship, the USNS Bowditch, were working in an area about 50 miles from Subic Bay in the Philippines at the time of the seizure. Not only was the U.S. operating in international waters outside of China’s notorious nine-dashed line, a territorial demarcation which was discredited in July by an international arbitration tribunal, but the U.S. ship and drone were actually inside the Philippines Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ).
As China has no jurisdiction in the area where the incident occurred, there was no legal justification for the seizure or the shadowing of a U.S. vessel by the Chinese navy.
Furthermore, the drone was conducting scientific research, not military or commercial surveillance, giving it protection under the provisions of international law.
China appears to have violated international law, and the purpose was to send a message to both the current U.S. president and the incoming president.
“If we need to take it, we’ll take it. (America) can’t stop us,” PLA Admiral Yang Yi told the Global Times.
“If Trump and the U.S. government dare challenge China’s policy line and core interests … their heads will be broken and bleeding,” he explained, “This first round is important if we want them to learn to behave themselves.”
A Chinese scholar at a state-sponsored think tank said that the era in which China bowed before the U.S. and humbly accepted humiliations is over.
The next U.S. administration will face a more assertive China determined to reset and restructure international and legal norms to suit its rapidly expanding national interests.
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Given Obama's strong, firm response to this aggression, I'm sure the Chinese will think twice before they try something like this again!!
What? You sure?
Obama didn't say anything?
The Pentagon ASKED for it back?
Wow --- that's potent stuff, right there. That'll teach those Chinese! Next time, they'll probably get a really nasty email !
If it were only Taiwan, we'd sell them out in a New York minute.
But it isn't --- China has designs on all of Southeast Asia, as a starter. As soon as they capture the natural resources, their target isn't the US - it's Russia.
The current military planners think that China will sweep down the east side of Asia, overrun India and Pakistan, and then move on Russia. There are actually OPS plans that theorize we would assist Russia to repel China thru a multi-front war.
Of course, according to some idiots here, they believe the US wouldn't get involved.
LllmmaaaooooYou have to get boots on the ground and China can't do it
Of course they can. Taipei is a small island with limited naval or airpower. China could bombard all their naval and airbases and disembark troops on day one. The ROC armed forces are designed to do as much damage as possible, and then engage invasion forces with guerilla tactics.
I think that's discounting Indian capabilities quite a bit, I think k china would be better off convincing India to stay out and ya know Russia would not hesitate to go nuke. They may have better equipment as far as tanks and AF.....But numbers are not in their favor
Lllmmaaaoooo
Uhhhh ... Taipei is a city, not an island.You have to get boots on the ground and China can't do it
Of course they can. Taipei is a small island with limited naval or airpower. China could bombard all their naval and airbases and disembark troops on day one. The ROC armed forces are designed to do as much damage as possible, and then engage invasion forces with guerilla tactics.
Uhhhh ... Taipei is a city, not an island.
Is that an apology I hear???
LMAO !!!
No, it was me making fun of you for being daft.
This post is more evidence that you are daft, since it should of been immediately obvious that I was calling you an idiot.
Uhhhh ... Taipei is a city, not an island.
I see you are flaunting your stupidity again.
The island now known as Taiwan was traditionally known as Taipei for several hundred years. The official name of that city is known as 'Taipei City.'
Do your research, kid.
Research????? I used to live there!!!!!
That is a logical fallacy. Keeping a missile does not equate to doing anything they want. Besides, it wasn't a missile, it was a drone. Two different things. Of course we are not going to war because of a drone, but that in no way proves there is no reason we won't go to war. In fact, if history is any measure I suspect we will be at war with them before 2025.You said, "China can do whatever it wants. Neither state can win a war with the other, so both will avoid conflict at all costs. China could "accidentally" nuke Los Angeles, and the United States would still avoid going to war."
That makes you a very dangerous person ---- your assumption and support of appeasement scares the hell out of me. If the Chinese start to believe the likes of you, we have got a real problem.
That's just reality. Forgive me for not supporting a false narrative, because the truth sounds too anti-US.
You never answered the question either. Would the US go to war if China decided not to give the missile back? If your answer is no, then you are validating that I am correct. China can do whatever it wants, and that's just a fact. Deal with it.
No. It wasn't the same question. Why does your signature say you are an illegal immigrant? Shouldn't it say you are an illegal alien?No --- you changed the question.
Stop lying. It's the same question.
Your deflection is noted anyways. Have fun being an intellectually dishonest idiot for the rest of your life.
That is a logical fallacy. Keeping a missile does not equate to doing anything they want.
Why does your signature say you are an illegal immigrant?
China can do whatever it wants. Neither state can win a war with the other, so both will avoid conflict at all costs. China could "accidentally" nuke Los Angeles, and the United States would still avoid going to war.
Suppose we launched every nuke we have [liberals claim we have have enough to destroy the world 6 times] at china tonight...do you think we would win lose or tie...keeping in mind they do not have the LIBERALLY described evil "MAD" [MUTUALLY ASSURED DESTRUCTION] capabilities we have?
