How to destroy the USA IN SIX EASY STEPS..............

OH, by the way, RAVI... This one is for you, ya cuban mammacita.




In Miami, Spanish is becoming the primary language


MIAMI (AP) - Melissa Green's mother spoke Spanish, but she never learned - her father forbid it. Today, that's a frequent problem in this city where the English-speaking population is outnumbered.

The 49-year-old flower shop owner and Miami native said her inability to speak "espanol" makes it difficult to conduct business, seek help at stores and even ask directions. She finds it "frustrating."

"It makes it hard for some people to find a job because they don't speak Spanish, and I don't think that it is right," said Green, who sometimes calls a Spanish-speaking friend to translate for customers who don't speak English.

"Sometimes I think they should learn it," she said.

In many areas of Miami, Spanish has become the predominant language, replacing English in everyday life. Anyone from Latin America could feel at home on the streets, without having to pronounce a single word in English.

In stores, shopkeepers wait on their clients in Spanish. Universities offer programs for Spanish speakers. And in supermarkets, banks, restaurants - even at the post office and government offices - information is given and assistance is offered in Spanish. In Miami, doctors and nurses speak Spanish with their patients and a large portion of advertising is in Spanish. Daily newspapers and radio and television stations cater to the Hispanic public.

But this situation, so pleasing to Latin American immigrants, makes some English speakers feel marginalized. In the 1950s, it's estimated that more than 80 percent of Miami-Dade County residents were non-Hispanic whites. But in 2006, the Census Bureau estimates that number was only 18.5 percent, and in 2015 it is forecast to be 14 percent. Hispanics now make up about 60 percent.

"The Anglo population is leaving," said Juan Clark, a sociology professor at Miami Dade College. "One of the reactions is to emigrate toward the north. They resent the fact that (an American) has to learn Spanish in order to have advantages to work. If one doesn't speak Spanish, it's a disadvantage."

According to the Census, 58.5 percent of the county's 2.4 million residents speak Spanish - and half of those say they don't speak English well. English-only speakers make up 27.2 percent of the county's residents.

In the mainly Cuban city of Hialeah and in the Miami neighborhood of Little Havana, 94 percent of residents identified themselves as Hispanic.

Andrew Lynch, an expert on linguistics and bilingualism at the University of Miami, said that the presence of Spanish-speakers first became an issue in Miami-Dade County in the 1960s and '70s with the arrival of Cuban immigrants and intensified in the '80s with immigrants from not just Cuba, but Argentina, Venezuela and elsewhere in Latin America. The exodus of English speakers soon followed.

James McCleary, his wife and two children left Miami in 1987 for Vermont, where he is now a farmer. McCleary, 58, said his inability to speak Spanish made it difficult for him to find work - it once took seven months to get hired as a cook.

"The job market was very tough. It was very, very difficult," he said.

His wife, Lauren, was born and raised in Miami and they visit at least twice a year, but she feels that it's no longer her hometown.

"I don't like being there anymore. It is very, very different," she said. "I cannot live there anymore, I can't speak their language."

Nevertheless, she likes the diversity of the population of South Florida and regrets not learning Spanish in school.

Librarian Martha Phillips, 61, believes those who speak Spanish will continue to have more opportunities and she doesn't think that's necessarily fair. Phillips said she is sorry to see non-Spanish-speakers abandoning Miami, and said she's concerned that the area "will be like a branch of Latin America."

"I do resent the fact that people seem to expect that the people who live here adjust to their ways, rather than learning English and making adjustments," she said. "Obviously I don't expect an older person to learn to speak English, but younger people come in and they don't seem to make much of an effort to learn to adapt to this country and they expect us to adapt to them."

Some Spanish speakers say they have their own trouble with those who only speak English.

Mary Bravo, a 37-year-old Venezuelan business owner, moved to Miami nine years ago. She understands English but only speaks a little.

"This land is theirs. We should try to speak English," she said, "but they don't even try to understand us."


http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080529/D90V6OEO0.html
 
I wondered how long it would take you to cough that one up.

IMO, it's rather slanted. They only interviewed people that are whiners. I personally don't speak much spanish and I manage to live, breathe, work and have fun with absolutely no trouble at all.
 
I wondered how long it would take you to cough that one up.

IMO, it's rather slanted. They only interviewed people that are whiners. I personally don't speak much spanish and I manage to live, breathe, work and have fun with absolutely no trouble at all.

of COURSE it is, Ravi. Of course. It's just a bunch of gringos picking on a poor latino, isn't it.


WHINERS? wanna see a population of WHINERS? Let the US fund LA MIGRA and see who will be whining about their shitty future life back in their ameobic dysintary homeland.
 
Originally posted by Shogun
See, this is how Im able to tap dance on your head, dude. You can't reply to the FACT of mexican permission for gringo settlement. You can't reply to the FACT that texas left mexico of it's own will. YOU SURE AS FUCK can't remind me who in palestine gave jews the same consideration mexicans gave to Austin. And Now, you try to compare the texas revolution with foreign born presidents?

tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk

Shogun,

You desperately need to take some lessons in trolling because your posts in this thread are amateurish at best and asinine at worst.

If you post a message saying I didn’t address the issues I’VE JUST DISCUSSED WITH BRIAN, everybody will know you’re not taking the debate seriously, just trolling.

Jillian, Brian, nibor, AllieBaba, THE ENTIRE BOARD will innevitably conclude:

“José has just addressed the issues Shogun says he didn’t, so he must be doing this because he doesn’t have the intellectual capacity to come up with a solid reply”.

Listen Shogun

The good trolling is the subtle one, the one that goes unnoticed.

The obvious, blatant trolling your doing here defeats the whole purpose of the activity, buddy.

Don’t take this the wrong way, I give you this advice because I want you to succeed as a troll.
 
list the post number then. As far as I've read, Brian has you by the cajones too.


But, feel free to give me a trolling lecture AFTER i've already sent you scurrying back across the proverbial border while trying to avoid points that you know damn well you cannot logically mediate. I earned my trolling stripes before you even made it to the northern bank of the rio grand, amigo. Perhaps you should stop jerking around like a fish caught on a hook and tell me what palestinian authority cave israel the same permission that MEXICO gave the original 300 gringos to settle texas..


or, was you hoping that talking shit would deflect that point?
 
José;694810 said:
tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk

Shogun,

You desperately need to take some lessons in trolling because your posts in this thread are amateurish at best and asinine at worst.

If you post a message saying I didn’t address the issues I’VE JUST DISCUSSED WITH BRIAN, everybody will know you’re not taking the debate seriously, just trolling.

Jillian, Brian, nibor, AllieBaba, THE ENTIRE BOARD will innevitably conclude:

“José has just addressed the issues Shogun says he didn’t, so he must be doing this because he doesn’t have the intellectual capacity to come up with a solid reply”.

Listen Shogun

The good trolling is the subtle one, the one that goes unnoticed.

The obvious, blatant trolling your doing here defeats the whole purpose of the activity, buddy.

Don’t take this the wrong way, I give you this advice because I want you to succeed as a troll.


Jose,

like I said, I understand your ethical and moral standing with "landgrabbing" and taking lands from other people, but I still do not view this as a single savage act. The Mexicans took Mexico from Spain, the Americans took the colonies from Britain, hell, SPain took central America from the Aztecs.... Not to mention that Spain/Mexico were also encroaching north and taking lands from the native Indians.... (the same thing that Britain and the U.S. have been given credit for).
The "Texans" were legalized Mexican citizens according to the Mexican government. They were made citizens and even forced to abide by the national religion. They were granted access to the Tejas terrirory. SHould you not also blame the Mexican gov. for not being careful of who they let into their country? You make it seem as though it was just white foreigners that were upset with the Mexican government. Many Many other native Mexican citizens were upset with Santa Anna's rule. He actually was a pretty descent guy until he started rearranging the Mexican Constitution. Not to mention he was also a fairly stand-up guy until he started ordering the massacre of POWs....Goliad being one of them. (<---the flag shown on my avatar). I agree with your morality, but could you imagine what Texas life would be like without U.S. rule??? I think even as a its own nation, Texas was beter off than it was in Mexico.
 

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