How Conservatism Killed The GOP

[gatortarian]

Reagan also grew government as he campaigned against it

He compromised with Tip Oneal to get his tax cuts and military spending. That part of it was a spending disaster no question about it. It was a spending bonanza. The reason Reagan did this was that the Dems controlled Congress (the guys who make the budget) and he had almost no choice but to veto and be overridden. In addition he thought it was worth the deficits to fight the Soviet Union. To see the difference between a President who want to cut with and without his party in power I refer you to the spending explosion in '06 when Bush lost his majority. Not that Bush ever wanted to cut spending.

Congress itself will never ever want to cut spending, either party. If it is even possible to do so it would have to be with a President that wanted to cut and an adamant, aware populace that make it known they were serious about spending cuts. That is why I see the Tea Party as our last best hope.

Hey GatorRetard..........did you serve in the military under Reagan? I did. One of his dreams was a 500 ship Navy.

Know what that did? Almost broke the Navy because to man the ships, we had to really lower the standards for entry.

Ever go to sea in a ship that's only 85 percent manned? It sucks.

Matter of fact, talk to anyone who served during that time, and they'll tell you that if you tell another Sailor they're a product of Reagans 500 ship Navy, they'll take it as a pretty messed up insult.

Get a clue before flapping your pie hole n00b.

How does that refute anything I said? Did I say Ronny made the Navy kick-ass or something?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Reagan also grew government as he campaigned against it

He compromised with Tip Oneal to get his tax cuts and military spending. That part of it was a spending disaster no question about it. It was a spending bonanza. The reason Reagan did this was that the Dems controlled Congress (the guys who make the budget) and he had almost no choice but to veto and be overridden. In addition he thought it was worth the deficits to fight the Soviet Union. To see the difference between a President who want to cut with and without his party in power I refer you to the spending explosion in '06 when Bush lost his majority. Not that Bush ever wanted to cut spending.

Congress itself will never ever want to cut spending, either party. If it is even possible to do so it would have to be with a President that wanted to cut and an adamant, aware populace that make it known they were serious about spending cuts. That is why I see the Tea Party as our last best hope.

Hey GatorRetard..........did you serve in the military under Reagan? I did. One of his dreams was a 500 ship Navy.

Know what that did? Almost broke the Navy because to man the ships, we had to really lower the standards for entry.

Ever go to sea in a ship that's only 85 percent manned? It sucks.

Matter of fact, talk to anyone who served during that time, and they'll tell you that if you tell another Sailor they're a product of Reagans 500 ship Navy, they'll take it as a pretty messed up insult.

Get a clue before flapping your pie hole n00b.

You were in the navy. I imagine you did a lot of time on the boats. made a lot of bunk buddies. hide a lot of seamen.

 

[ABikerSailor]

He compromised with Tip Oneal to get his tax cuts and military spending. That part of it was a spending disaster no question about it. It was a spending bonanza. The reason Reagan did this was that the Dems controlled Congress (the guys who make the budget) and he had almost no choice but to veto and be overridden. In addition he thought it was worth the deficits to fight the Soviet Union. To see the difference between a President who want to cut with and without his party in power I refer you to the spending explosion in '06 when Bush lost his majority. Not that Bush ever wanted to cut spending.

Congress itself will never ever want to cut spending, either party. If it is even possible to do so it would have to be with a President that wanted to cut and an adamant, aware populace that make it known they were serious about spending cuts. That is why I see the Tea Party as our last best hope.

Hey GatorRetard..........did you serve in the military under Reagan? I did. One of his dreams was a 500 ship Navy.

Know what that did? Almost broke the Navy because to man the ships, we had to really lower the standards for entry.

Ever go to sea in a ship that's only 85 percent manned? It sucks.

Matter of fact, talk to anyone who served during that time, and they'll tell you that if you tell another Sailor they're a product of Reagans 500 ship Navy, they'll take it as a pretty messed up insult.

Get a clue before flapping your pie hole n00b.

How does that refute anything I said? Did I say Ronny made the Navy kick-ass or something?

Hey stupid.........you stated it was worth the deficits.

I'm telling you as someone who served during that time, it wasn't. It damn near broke the Navy.

 

[edthecynic]

Reagan also grew government as he campaigned against it

He compromised with Tip Oneal to get his tax cuts and military spending. That part of it was a spending disaster no question about it. It was a spending bonanza. The reason Reagan did this was that the Dems controlled Congress (the guys who make the budget) and he had almost no choice but to veto and be overridden.

BULL!

July 6, 2010
RUSH: It is said of Reagan -- I think it's true to a certain extent -- Reagan decided to starve the welfare state by creating deficits and spending

 

[gatortarian]

Hey GatorRetard..........did you serve in the military under Reagan? I did. One of his dreams was a 500 ship Navy.

Know what that did? Almost broke the Navy because to man the ships, we had to really lower the standards for entry.

Ever go to sea in a ship that's only 85 percent manned? It sucks.

Matter of fact, talk to anyone who served during that time, and they'll tell you that if you tell another Sailor they're a product of Reagans 500 ship Navy, they'll take it as a pretty messed up insult.

Get a clue before flapping your pie hole n00b.

How does that refute anything I said? Did I say Ronny made the Navy kick-ass or something?

Hey stupid.........you stated it was worth the deficits.

I'm telling you as someone who served during that time, it wasn't. It damn near broke the Navy.

I said Reagan thought it was worth it.

 

[ABikerSailor]

How does that refute anything I said? Did I say Ronny made the Navy kick-ass or something?

Hey stupid.........you stated it was worth the deficits.

I'm telling you as someone who served during that time, it wasn't. It damn near broke the Navy.

I said Reagan thought it was worth it.

Yeah........and you also supported Reagan.

Idiot.

 

[gatortarian]

Reagan also grew government as he campaigned against it

He compromised with Tip Oneal to get his tax cuts and military spending. That part of it was a spending disaster no question about it. It was a spending bonanza. The reason Reagan did this was that the Dems controlled Congress (the guys who make the budget) and he had almost no choice but to veto and be overridden.

BULL!

July 6, 2010
RUSH: It is said of Reagan -- I think it's true to a certain extent -- Reagan decided to starve the welfare state by creating deficits and spending

Your proof of this is an out of context quote from Rush where he most likely goes on to destroy the theory?

 

[gatortarian]

Hey stupid.........you stated it was worth the deficits.

I'm telling you as someone who served during that time, it wasn't. It damn near broke the Navy.

I said Reagan thought it was worth it.

Yeah........and you also supported Reagan.

Idiot.

I was 7 years old.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Hey GatorRetard..........did you serve in the military under Reagan? I did. One of his dreams was a 500 ship Navy.

Know what that did? Almost broke the Navy because to man the ships, we had to really lower the standards for entry.

Ever go to sea in a ship that's only 85 percent manned? It sucks.

Matter of fact, talk to anyone who served during that time, and they'll tell you that if you tell another Sailor they're a product of Reagans 500 ship Navy, they'll take it as a pretty messed up insult.

Get a clue before flapping your pie hole n00b.

How does that refute anything I said? Did I say Ronny made the Navy kick-ass or something?

Hey stupid.........you stated it was worth the deficits.

I'm telling you as someone who served during that time, it wasn't. It damn near broke the Navy.

Horse shit I served while Reagan was president. Go blow it out your lying ass

 

[liebuster]

Dante, you are really out of touch with what is real and what is not. For some reason you think that the republican party started out as progressive but turned conservative.

I have heard this from the likes of Keith Olbermann. People that the country has move right for the last 100 years and he thinks that is why this country is turning to shit. You are so blind to reality.

I'm going to tell you this once. The country has had the "center" moving left for the last 100 years and that is a fact. They push the buttons on ideas and then it becomes mainstream after a couple of decades and they move it left again. People 100 years ago would have never imagined a Dept of Edu or DHS or the EPA....

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Democrats need to be more Liberal and run on: 90% Income Tax, regulation of grocery purchases, etc.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Hey stupid..........the dictionary is your friend, not the fringe lunatics at FAUX News.



Fascism | Define Fascism at Dictionary.com

I left you the link so you can bookmark it. At least you know how to spell, but quick question for you sportcheck........what party does that fit best? I'll give ya a hint, it starts off with G-O-P. You Republican douchebags are against liberalism as well as support a corporate takeover of this government.

Get a clue dipshit.

any right-wing nationalist ideology or movement with an authoritarian and hierarchical structure that is fundamentally opposed to democracy and liberalism

In case you missed it I already admitted I mis-read your post. I apologize for referring you to a dictionary. The definition he posted just shows how right I was about the media changing the definition of words. I can show a much closer resemblance to the Nazi party for the progressives than anyone can make for the Tea Party. That was the point I was trying to make. Since you made no such allegations, again, I apologize.

There really is a lot of hate on this board.

calm down mary. laughing at you is not a form of hate.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Dante, you are really out of touch with what is real and what is not. For some reason you think that the republican party started out as progressive but turned conservative.

I have heard this from the likes of Keith Olbermann. People that the country has move right for the last 100 years and he thinks that is why this country is turning to shit. You are so blind to reality.

I'm going to tell you this once. The country has had the "center" moving left for the last 100 years and that is a fact. They push the buttons on ideas and then it becomes mainstream after a couple of decades and they move it left again. People 100 years ago would have never imagined a Dept of Edu or DHS or the EPA....

Kieth is stealing my material? harumph! I'm calling my agent.

meanwhile, back at the ranch: people 100 years ago were living in a different world. gawd, you're a dope.

 

[gatortarian]

any right-wing nationalist ideology or movement with an authoritarian and hierarchical structure that is fundamentally opposed to democracy and liberalism

In case you missed it I already admitted I mis-read your post. I apologize for referring you to a dictionary. The definition he posted just shows how right I was about the media changing the definition of words. I can show a much closer resemblance to the Nazi party for the progressives than anyone can make for the Tea Party. That was the point I was trying to make. Since you made no such allegations, again, I apologize.

There really is a lot of hate on this board.

calm down mary. laughing at you is not a form of hate.

Agreed. It was more of a general observation of the tone at this website.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

NO You are a fuck tard. It's not how the Conservatives killed the GOP, it's how the libearls infiltrated the GOP we are getting rid of those RINOS first now we are coming for scum like you to remove your sorry asses from the government.

You know.....if you only support those that are exactly like you, eventually you become inbred, right?

No wonder the GOP is retarded. They have politically inbred themselves pretty much along the lines that Little Redneck Bastard in NC has stated.

You talk a lot about being inbred I guess that is your way of life. So how does it feel when your sister is going down on you?

Ever go to sea in a ship that's only 85 percent manned? It sucks.

You enjoyed it so that you could suck.

"So how does it feel when your sister is going down on you?" - little red douche


dear douchebagh, i did not mention a sister to you. what I did was highlight your words.

fuck off

 

[Trajan]

Hey GatorRetard..........did you serve in the military under Reagan? I did. One of his dreams was a 500 ship Navy.

Know what that did? Almost broke the Navy because to man the ships, we had to really lower the standards for entry.

Ever go to sea in a ship that's only 85 percent manned? It sucks.

Matter of fact, talk to anyone who served during that time, and they'll tell you that if you tell another Sailor they're a product of Reagans 500 ship Navy, they'll take it as a pretty messed up insult.

Get a clue before flapping your pie hole n00b.

How does that refute anything I said? Did I say Ronny made the Navy kick-ass or something?

Hey stupid.........you stated it was worth the deficits.

I'm telling you as someone who served during that time, it wasn't. It damn near broke the Navy.

I served during Reagan's tenure, in fact before and after.

the bulking up of all branches during the Reagan years was a double edged sword, aside from the deficits, I agree. We had a spike in training accidents etc. as cadre was stretched thin.

BUT, the 'worth' that has to be calculated too, was spending the soviets into the poor house which helped push them over the edge.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You know.....if you only support those that are exactly like you, eventually you become inbred, right?

No wonder the GOP is retarded. They have politically inbred themselves pretty much along the lines that Little Redneck Bastard in NC has stated.

You talk a lot about being inbred I guess that is your way of life. So how does it feel when your sister is going down on you?

Ever go to sea in a ship that's only 85 percent manned? It sucks.

You enjoyed it so that you could suck.

"So how does it feel when your sister is going down on you?" - little red douche

I wouldn't for two reasons
I don't talk about inbred things like that bitch does
2. I don't have a sister.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

How does that refute anything I said? Did I say Ronny made the Navy kick-ass or something?

Hey stupid.........you stated it was worth the deficits.

I'm telling you as someone who served during that time, it wasn't. It damn near broke the Navy.

I served during Reagan's tenure, in fact before and after.

the bulking up of all branches during the Reagan years was a double edged sword, aside from the deficits, I agree. We had a spike in training accidents etc. as cadre was stretched thin.

BUT, the 'worth' that has to be calculated too, was spending the soviets into the poor house which helped push them over the edge.

That's why socialism will never work. Russia had it and got the shit kicked out of them
Thanks Ronald Reagan

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

he didn't need to tell anyone anything, or drag anyone anywhere, you must have slept through the 60's 70's or have never picked up and read any books and looked at just what became of liberalism in the early 60's.

Johnson went to war on society armed with opinion newly massaged and crafted by the utopian liberal/progressive social/academic mish mash, they have never been called to account to answer for their failures, so they did the next best thing, they pulled the democratic party after 68 to the left and they have kept on going.......

government is always the answer they'll tell you, when you raise particulars, their answer always seems to wind up- the system is broken, oh and its broken because we never really did it the way they wanted the rest of us too, we never spent enough or were moving far left enough to realize their impossible Utopian ideals, so they sit back with the arm patches and pipe and spin tales of our ingratitude, how simple we are, just dumb to understand..........sound familiar?

Pulled the party to the left? You consider the middle, left?

I don't know what is sadder. Your ignorance or your stupidity?

1964 an incumbent President.

The Democrats rejected the most progressive candidates in 1968. Although Humphrey was a progressive DFLer, he was strongly aligned with liberalism. During World War II, Humphrey tried twice to join the armed forces.

1972 The Democrats elected George McGovern - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia over McCarthy and Muskie

1976 Carter over others.

1980 Carter over the Lion of Liberalism, Edward Kennedy. Carter was the incumbent President.

1984 Mondale over the others.

1988 Dukakis over others

1992 Clinton

1996 Clinton

2000 Gore

2004 Kerry

2008 Obama

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none of the candidates listed were from the left wing of the DNC. None.

and btw, there is no left wing media or left wing major party. Left wing ideas get slapped down very quickly.

forest trees..hello...why for instance did clinton win a second term? Who provided a base of sppt. for your a fore mentioned candidates? And does to this day?

Why do you think Dukakis was successfully painted as a card carrier? I know what the answer is but I want to hear you say it again- ahhhh, here; because we were dummmmmmbbb and we 'bought it'....


So, do I need to remind you how primaries work? I guess so, they win by wooing the far left at primary time, they tack centrist afterward, please huh. ( and the super delegates won't allow a far lefty in or that is one that wears it on their sleeve because they know it won't float, but that doesn't stop their pick from trying to tug the country to the left, ala term one Clinton for instance).

Your problem is there are still more cons even among moderate ranks amongst the electorate than lefties and they don't buy it and see through the old switcheroo.(and no, thats not 100% see; Obama, that was different).



I see you revert to insults when you're feeling cornered, not very nice. I am civil to you, I would appreciate same.

the Democrats have to appeal to the left to get them on board. but what have they ever given the left in 50 years?

the Republicans go right because they also need to, but for the past few elections the right has been demanding they get something. The left gets shit.


the right and the left have very little support in general. most people are not fringe in their thinking.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

I see you revert to insults when you're feeling cornered, not very nice. I am civil to you, I would appreciate same.

cornered? see? you are

Insulted by a few choice words? You're very thin skinned.