Populism Vs. Conservatism. Post-Trump, Which Way will the GOP Go?

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Pence is pushing hard for the Party to go back to its conservative roots.

Pence is also currently polling in the mid single-digits for the GOP primary.


At an event in New Hampshire, former Vice President Mike Pence took aim at his former boss, calling for the Republican Party to abandon populism in favor of good, old-fashioned conservatism.

At the New Hampshire Institute of Politics on the campus of St. Anselm College in Manchester, N.H., and billed as a "major speech" by the Pence campaign, Pence said that Donald Trump had promised to run as a conservative in 2016.

"It's important for Republicans to know that he and his imitators in this Republican primary make no such promise today," Pence said.

Noting New Hampshire's status as an early-primary state, Pence said Republican voters "face a choice ... will we be the party of conservatism, or will we follow the siren song of populism unmoored to conservative principles?"


So, what do Republican voters want? I don't see that they want the "most conservative," because too many times the most conservative has also been the quickest to sell out their conservative ideas to appease the Democrats and the media. If a GOP voter is concerned about conservative values, he or she is most likely to support populist Trump over more ideological conservatives:

In the Quinnipiac poll, 46 percent of the Republican and Republican-leaning independent voters who said they support Trump in the primary identified as “very conservative.” Among the voters who chose other candidates, only 22 percent were “very conservative.” That means Trump’s voters are more than twice as likely as other candidates’ supporters to self-describe as “very conservative.”

Why do conservatives support a populist? The populist got results. He gave us more border security, less inflation, lower taxes, and reduced regulation. That is in sharp contrast to the usual MO of the conservative Republican, which is to try to slow down progressive advances, while carefully avoiding being labeled "an extremist" for standing too firm.

Populism would be the way to go, from the standpoint of winning and keeping voters. But the two populists who were successful in taking on the GOP establishment were both independent billionaires, able to finance their own campaigns without the tradition donor base of the Twoparties. The only person able to step into that role is Vivek Ramaswamy. 2028 may be Ramaswamy's year.
 
Why do conservatives support a populist?

Just because you slap the label of "populist" on Trump doesn't make it true.

Look at Trumps appointments to the supreme court (and other courts).

Trumps America first policy IS CONSERVATIVE!

Creating high paying jobs for all...Making America energy independent (which made involvement in new wars much less likely).

Trump is pro-life!

How much more conservative can one get?

Oh yeah...he sent out a mean tweet...well damn him all to hell!
 
Pence is pushing hard for the Party to go back to its conservative roots.

Pence is also currently polling in the mid single-digits for the GOP primary.


At an event in New Hampshire, former Vice President Mike Pence took aim at his former boss, calling for the Republican Party to abandon populism in favor of good, old-fashioned conservatism.

At the New Hampshire Institute of Politics on the campus of St. Anselm College in Manchester, N.H., and billed as a "major speech" by the Pence campaign, Pence said that Donald Trump had promised to run as a conservative in 2016.

"It's important for Republicans to know that he and his imitators in this Republican primary make no such promise today," Pence said.

Noting New Hampshire's status as an early-primary state, Pence said Republican voters "face a choice ... will we be the party of conservatism, or will we follow the siren song of populism unmoored to conservative principles?"


So, what do Republican voters want? I don't see that they want the "most conservative," because too many times the most conservative has also been the quickest to sell out their conservative ideas to appease the Democrats and the media. If a GOP voter is concerned about conservative values, he or she is most likely to support populist Trump over more ideological conservatives:

In the Quinnipiac poll, 46 percent of the Republican and Republican-leaning independent voters who said they support Trump in the primary identified as “very conservative.” Among the voters who chose other candidates, only 22 percent were “very conservative.” That means Trump’s voters are more than twice as likely as other candidates’ supporters to self-describe as “very conservative.”

Why do conservatives support a populist? The populist got results. He gave us more border security, less inflation, lower taxes, and reduced regulation. That is in sharp contrast to the usual MO of the conservative Republican, which is to try to slow down progressive advances, while carefully avoiding being labeled "an extremist" for standing too firm.

Populism would be the way to go, from the standpoint of winning and keeping voters. But the two populists who were successful in taking on the GOP establishment were both independent billionaires, able to finance their own campaigns without the tradition donor base of the Twoparties. The only person able to step into that role is Vivek Ramaswamy. 2028 may be Ramaswamy's year.
Not sure what the conservative roots of the GOP even look like.

They spend almost as bad as the DNC, and the go along with the DNC all the time.

The Federal government is a circus of Leftism.
 
Just because you slap the label of "populist" on Trump doesn't make it true.

Look at Trumps appointments to the supreme court (and other courts).

Trumps America first policy IS CONSERVATIVE!

Creating high paying jobs for all...Making America energy independent (which made involvement in new wars much less likely).

Trump is pro-life!

How much more conservative can one get?

Oh yeah...he sent out a mean tweet...well damn him all to hell!

Hmmm.

To me that sounds both populist AND conservative.

Who woulda thunk? ;)
 
Pence is pushing hard for the Party to go back to its conservative roots.

Pence is also currently polling in the mid single-digits for the GOP primary.


At an event in New Hampshire, former Vice President Mike Pence took aim at his former boss, calling for the Republican Party to abandon populism in favor of good, old-fashioned conservatism.

At the New Hampshire Institute of Politics on the campus of St. Anselm College in Manchester, N.H., and billed as a "major speech" by the Pence campaign, Pence said that Donald Trump had promised to run as a conservative in 2016.

"It's important for Republicans to know that he and his imitators in this Republican primary make no such promise today," Pence said.

Noting New Hampshire's status as an early-primary state, Pence said Republican voters "face a choice ... will we be the party of conservatism, or will we follow the siren song of populism unmoored to conservative principles?"


So, what do Republican voters want? I don't see that they want the "most conservative," because too many times the most conservative has also been the quickest to sell out their conservative ideas to appease the Democrats and the media. If a GOP voter is concerned about conservative values, he or she is most likely to support populist Trump over more ideological conservatives:

In the Quinnipiac poll, 46 percent of the Republican and Republican-leaning independent voters who said they support Trump in the primary identified as “very conservative.” Among the voters who chose other candidates, only 22 percent were “very conservative.” That means Trump’s voters are more than twice as likely as other candidates’ supporters to self-describe as “very conservative.”

Why do conservatives support a populist? The populist got results. He gave us more border security, less inflation, lower taxes, and reduced regulation. That is in sharp contrast to the usual MO of the conservative Republican, which is to try to slow down progressive advances, while carefully avoiding being labeled "an extremist" for standing too firm.

Populism would be the way to go, from the standpoint of winning and keeping voters. But the two populists who were successful in taking on the GOP establishment were both independent billionaires, able to finance their own campaigns without the tradition donor base of the Twoparties. The only person able to step into that role is Vivek Ramaswamy. 2028 may be Ramaswamy's year.

We’ll make it easy for you to understand. It’s called MAGA.
 
Pence is pushing hard for the Party to go back to its conservative roots.

Pence is also currently polling in the mid single-digits for the GOP primary.


At an event in New Hampshire, former Vice President Mike Pence took aim at his former boss, calling for the Republican Party to abandon populism in favor of good, old-fashioned conservatism.

At the New Hampshire Institute of Politics on the campus of St. Anselm College in Manchester, N.H., and billed as a "major speech" by the Pence campaign, Pence said that Donald Trump had promised to run as a conservative in 2016.

"It's important for Republicans to know that he and his imitators in this Republican primary make no such promise today," Pence said.

Noting New Hampshire's status as an early-primary state, Pence said Republican voters "face a choice ... will we be the party of conservatism, or will we follow the siren song of populism unmoored to conservative principles?"


So, what do Republican voters want? I don't see that they want the "most conservative," because too many times the most conservative has also been the quickest to sell out their conservative ideas to appease the Democrats and the media. If a GOP voter is concerned about conservative values, he or she is most likely to support populist Trump over more ideological conservatives:

In the Quinnipiac poll, 46 percent of the Republican and Republican-leaning independent voters who said they support Trump in the primary identified as “very conservative.” Among the voters who chose other candidates, only 22 percent were “very conservative.” That means Trump’s voters are more than twice as likely as other candidates’ supporters to self-describe as “very conservative.”

Why do conservatives support a populist? The populist got results. He gave us more border security, less inflation, lower taxes, and reduced regulation. That is in sharp contrast to the usual MO of the conservative Republican, which is to try to slow down progressive advances, while carefully avoiding being labeled "an extremist" for standing too firm.

Populism would be the way to go, from the standpoint of winning and keeping voters. But the two populists who were successful in taking on the GOP establishment were both independent billionaires, able to finance their own campaigns without the tradition donor base of the Twoparties. The only person able to step into that role is Vivek Ramaswamy. 2028 may be Ramaswamy's year.
There is no "conservatism"....The term is utterly meaningless, as evidenced by the actions of alleged "conservatives" (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean) since Eisenhower, at the very least.

For all its faults, foibles, contradictions, and vagaries, populism is the only current political movement strong enough and willing enough to push back against the incomprehensible monstrosity of the permanent fascistic bureaucrat/technocrat State.

If libertarian types -with whom I'm very simpatico- had any sense at all, they'd latch onto and sway this political wave....It's not like the tragic joke of a party that carries its name has done them any favors over the last couple decades.
 
There is no "conservatism"....The term is utterly meaningless, as evidenced by the actions of alleged "conservatives" (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean) since Eisenhower, at the very least.

For all its faults, foibles, contradictions, and vagaries, populism is the only current political movement strong enough and willing enough to push back against the incomprehensible monstrosity of the permanent fascistic bureaucrat/technocrat State.

If libertarian types -with whom I'm very simpatico- had any sense at all, they'd latch onto and sway this political wave....It's not like the tragic joke of a party that carries its name has done them any favors over the last couple decades.

Fucking scholarly.
 
Well, today Republicans seem to be the more populist party as they are fighting the D.C. Democrat bureaucracy and their stranglehold on America's legacy news media. Republicans are overall conservative.
 
If this is populism, then populism is about victimhood, paranoia and ignorance.

You don't fix problems by going caveman, following a cult and destroying institutions.
No one wants to destroy the 'institutions.' However if you mean 'institutions' like some broad named Nancy Pelosi (called an 'institution') who squatted in a chair as the head of the House for almost EVER, 'institutions' like Climate Change, 'institutions' like 'Planned Parentood' (an oxymornic name if there ever was one), EPA, OPM....Get rid of all of them!! OR stop giving subsidies.
 

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