Populism Vs. Conservatism. Post-Trump, Which Way will the GOP Go?

[Mac1958]

The ship already sailed. The wrestling fans won.

The EXACT words of a cult:

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The EXACT words of a cult:

^^^^^ of a MAGA cult member.

 

[GMCGeneral]

A complete elimination of MAGA would be God's gift to Americans.

MAGA are the REAL Americans
Not the globalist sellouts you support, fucking Socialist scumbag.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

MAGA are the bad Americans from he last 200 years and will be forced out by patriotic Americans looking to the future.

You will be able to church and pray for a return to the 1950s all you want, but that will never happen.

(1) MAGA ageism is against you, and (2) continuing MAGA defeats will make you a small regional party.

 

[lennypartiv]

MAGA are the REAL Americans

Exactly. Democrats are the enemy, and so are RINOs.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Exactly. Democrats are the enemy, and so are RINOs.

Gaslighting. The populists and nationalist MAGs are antiAmerican.

 

[dblack]

It's like the old Punch and Judy puppet shows.

 

[rampart]

If this is populism, then populism is about victimhood, paranoia and ignorance.

You don't fix problems by going caveman, following a cult and destroying institutions.

an actual populist, say wm jennings bryan, was a bimetallist and a greenbacker, trump, like all conservatives , wants a gold standard.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Pence is pushing hard for the Party to go back to its conservative roots.

Pence is also currently polling in the mid single-digits for the GOP primary.

https://www.npr.org/2023/09/06/1197887694/mike-pence-donald-trump-populism-conservatism-free-market-republican-party

At an event in New Hampshire, former Vice President Mike Pence took aim at his former boss, calling for the Republican Party to abandon populism in favor of good, old-fashioned conservatism.

At the New Hampshire Institute of Politics on the campus of St. Anselm College in Manchester, N.H., and billed as a "major speech" by the Pence campaign, Pence said that Donald Trump had promised to run as a conservative in 2016.

"It's important for Republicans to know that he and his imitators in this Republican primary make no such promise today," Pence said.

Noting New Hampshire's status as an early-primary state, Pence said Republican voters "face a choice ... will we be the party of conservatism, or will we follow the siren song of populism unmoored to conservative principles?"

So, what do Republican voters want? I don't see that they want the "most conservative," because too many times the most conservative has also been the quickest to sell out their conservative ideas to appease the Democrats and the media. If a GOP voter is concerned about conservative values, he or she is most likely to support populist Trump over more ideological conservatives:

In the Quinnipiac poll, 46 percent of the Republican and Republican-leaning independent voters who said they support Trump in the primary identified as “very conservative.” Among the voters who chose other candidates, only 22 percent were “very conservative.” That means Trump’s voters are more than twice as likely as other candidates’ supporters to self-describe as “very conservative.”

Why do conservatives support a populist? The populist got results. He gave us more border security, less inflation, lower taxes, and reduced regulation. That is in sharp contrast to the usual MO of the conservative Republican, which is to try to slow down progressive advances, while carefully avoiding being labeled "an extremist" for standing too firm.

Populism would be the way to go, from the standpoint of winning and keeping voters. But the two populists who were successful in taking on the GOP establishment were both independent billionaires, able to finance their own campaigns without the tradition donor base of the Twoparties. The only person able to step into that role is Vivek Ramaswamy. 2028 may be Ramaswamy's year.

WTF ever Pence is trying to stand for I’ll take the opposite. That Ashlie has been in government forever and not accomplished a fucking thing populist or conservative.

 

[Kondor3]

My money is on Populism...

The genre is making a comeback...

The Democratic Party is fast-losing the Working Man even as it tightens its grip on the unions...

The Republican Party is picking up the defectors by the scores and hundreds of thousands...

Once Trump is in the rear-view mirror I suspect the GOP is gonna sweep the field for a generation or more...

But they have to survive long enough to PUT Trump in the rear-view mirror... and, frankly, THAT's the TRICK, eh?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

That is a dream world that Kondor 3 is imagining.

 

[g5000]

DeSantis has it figured out.

DeSantis looks for which was the wind is blowing. He's a coward.

 

[g5000]

Trumps America first policy IS CONSERVATIVE!

O'rly?

$8 trillion of debt is conservative?

Protectionist tariffs are conservative?

Sleeping with porn stars when married is conservative?

You rubes have no idea just how far off the conservative reservation you are.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

My money is on Populism...

The genre is making a comeback...

The Democratic Party is fast-losing the Working Man even as it tightens its grip on the unions...

The Republican Party is picking up the defectors by the scores and hundreds of thousands...

Once Trump is in the rear-view mirror I suspect the GOP is gonna sweep the field for a generation or more...

But they have to survive long enough to PUT Trump in the rear-view mirror... and, frankly, THAT's the TRICK, eh?

Populism sucks.

 

[Kondor3]

Populism sucks.

Why?

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Why?

Because people that present themselves as possessing the 'real truth' or 'true will' of the people are people I have no use for.

 

[Kondor3]

Because people that present themselves as possessing the 'real truth' or 'true will' of the people are people I have no use for.

As with most things, the Truth probably lies somewhere in the middle... I see considerable value in Populism.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

As with most things, the Truth probably lies somewhere in the middle... I see considerable value in Populism.

I didn't say it didn't have value. However, value is subjective.

 

[Lesh]

Pence is pushing hard for the Party to go back to its conservative roots.

Pence is also currently polling in the mid single-digits for the GOP primary.

https://www.npr.org/2023/09/06/1197887694/mike-pence-donald-trump-populism-conservatism-free-market-republican-party

At an event in New Hampshire, former Vice President Mike Pence took aim at his former boss, calling for the Republican Party to abandon populism in favor of good, old-fashioned conservatism.

At the New Hampshire Institute of Politics on the campus of St. Anselm College in Manchester, N.H., and billed as a "major speech" by the Pence campaign, Pence said that Donald Trump had promised to run as a conservative in 2016.

"It's important for Republicans to know that he and his imitators in this Republican primary make no such promise today," Pence said.

Noting New Hampshire's status as an early-primary state, Pence said Republican voters "face a choice ... will we be the party of conservatism, or will we follow the siren song of populism unmoored to conservative principles?"

So, what do Republican voters want? I don't see that they want the "most conservative," because too many times the most conservative has also been the quickest to sell out their conservative ideas to appease the Democrats and the media. If a GOP voter is concerned about conservative values, he or she is most likely to support populist Trump over more ideological conservatives:

In the Quinnipiac poll, 46 percent of the Republican and Republican-leaning independent voters who said they support Trump in the primary identified as “very conservative.” Among the voters who chose other candidates, only 22 percent were “very conservative.” That means Trump’s voters are more than twice as likely as other candidates’ supporters to self-describe as “very conservative.”

Why do conservatives support a populist? The populist got results. He gave us more border security, less inflation, lower taxes, and reduced regulation. That is in sharp contrast to the usual MO of the conservative Republican, which is to try to slow down progressive advances, while carefully avoiding being labeled "an extremist" for standing too firm.

Populism would be the way to go, from the standpoint of winning and keeping voters. But the two populists who were successful in taking on the GOP establishment were both independent billionaires, able to finance their own campaigns without the tradition donor base of the Twoparties. The only person able to step into that role is Vivek Ramaswamy. 2028 may be Ramaswamy's year.

There are actually two Republican parties.

The populist Trump wing and the conservatives. And by that I mean fiscal conservatives.

They share little but the party name on common

 

[Lesh]

Just because you slap the label of "populist" on Trump doesn't make it true.

Look at Trumps appointments to the supreme court (and other courts).

Trumps America first policy IS CONSERVATIVE!

Creating high paying jobs for all...Making America energy independent (which made involvement in new wars much less likely).

Trump is pro-life!

How much more conservative can one get?

Oh yeah...he sent out a mean tweet...well damn him all to hell!

Trump is not a populist. He’s a demagogue. He’ll say whatever he thinks is on his best interest .

If he thinks catering to the xenophobic racist populists will do good things for him he’ll cater to them.

As far as governing he does what he’s told.

They tell him to spend and he spends.

They tell him to cut taxes for the rich and that’s what he does.

Judge appointments come up and they hand him a pre-approved list. He’s probably never heard of most of the judges he appointed