Granting Props to President Obama where due

[Polk]

I give Obama credit for making me feel like a 3rd grader being lectured to by a mean teacher every time he gives a speech. He doesn't talk to people. He lectures them.

I disagree. He speaks like I speak. He's trying to be as accurate and as informative as possible. I think he's overly careful, so sometimes it seems like a lecture, and maybe it is, so he can get as much info out there in the time allotted. And he has an undying adherence to correct sentence structure.......something we have been without for a long time.

I see how both can be right. I speak like that, but I also realize most of the country doesn't.

 

[Huh?]

Ok. Fair reply. PARTLY off topic. The bullshit about President Bush and the accurate comment about the lying President Clinton are not observations by a conservative (if you are one) of some GOOD things concerning President Obama.

But, still, you are partly right. You DID partly stick to the topic. I gotta give you that much.

Ok then...so your defense of Bush continued the off topic trend...that you can take a true statement about Bush and consider it bullshit is rather telling but I will give you credit for at least starting this thread...well done on that.

I noticed a number of Bush posts that received no admonishment but then partisanship tends to work that way...just curious...when did Bush become a conservative? Consider that a rhetorical question so as not to side track the thread...we can get to that down the road.

As for Clinton, I can't stand that lying son of a bitch but please don't make me out to be a conservative simply based on that...I prefer to remain an anti big government independent with some liberal and some conservative values.

 

[Liability]

Ok. Fair reply. PARTLY off topic. The bullshit about President Bush and the accurate comment about the lying President Clinton are not observations by a conservative (if you are one) of some GOOD things concerning President Obama.

But, still, you are partly right. You DID partly stick to the topic. I gotta give you that much.

Ok then...so your defense of Bush continued the off topic trend...that you can take a true statement about Bush and consider it bullshit is rather telling but I will give you credit for at least starting this thread...well done on that.

I noticed a number of Bush posts that received no admonishment but then partisanship tends to work that way...just curious...when did Bush become a conservative? Consider that a rhetorical question so as not to side track the thread...we can get to that down the road.

As for Clinton, I can't stand that lying son of a bitch but please don't make me out to be a conservative simply based on that...I prefer to remain an anti big government independent with some liberal and some conservative values.

Every time I respond to the "substance" (so to speak) of any post that is off topic, I continue the off-topic trend. Obviously. You grasped the obvious rather quickly!

Your statement about President Bush was untrue; not, as you incorrectly maintain, "a true [sic] statement."

I also have not "admonished" everyone who goes off topic. But I have made a few stabs at getting some of those who stray to return to the topic. If you find those incidents to be selective, I don't care. I can't pretend that it matters even if you can pretend that it matters. It doesn't matter, just to be clear.

I did NOT "make you out" to be a conservative. By responding to this thread at all, you kind of represented yourself as a conservative (since the question was directed to conservatives, you see). I don't care if you're not a conservative. But, since you aren't, your entire reply is pretty much off topic on that very basis.

 

[Huh?]

Every time I respond to the "substance" (so to speak) of any post that is off topic, I continue the off-topic trend. Obviously. You grasped the obvious rather quickly!

Your statement about President Bush was untrue; not, as you incorrectly maintain, "a true [sic] statement."

I also have not "admonished" everyone who goes off topic. But I have made a few stabs at getting some of those who stray to return to the topic. If you find those incidents to be selective, I don't care. I can't pretend that it matters even if you can pretend that it matters. It doesn't matter, just to be clear.

I did NOT "make you out" to be a conservative. By responding to this thread at all, you kind of represented yourself as a conservative (since the question was directed to conservatives, you see). I don't care if you're not a conservative. But, since you aren't, your entire reply is pretty much off topic on that very basis.

How was my statement about Bush untrue? He was asked and didn't come up with anything.

Who's pretending that any of this matters?

I didn't say you made me out to be a conservative...I said please don't based on that but I do see where you are coming from...perhaps I would be qualified to post here based on honesty being a conservative value?

That should make you feel all warm and fuzzy even if a bit absurd.

 

[Liability]

Every time I respond to the "substance" (so to speak) of any post that is off topic, I continue the off-topic trend. Obviously. You grasped the obvious rather quickly!

Your statement about President Bush was untrue; not, as you incorrectly maintain, "a true [sic] statement."

I also have not "admonished" everyone who goes off topic. But I have made a few stabs at getting some of those who stray to return to the topic. If you find those incidents to be selective, I don't care. I can't pretend that it matters even if you can pretend that it matters. It doesn't matter, just to be clear.

I did NOT "make you out" to be a conservative. By responding to this thread at all, you kind of represented yourself as a conservative (since the question was directed to conservatives, you see). I don't care if you're not a conservative. But, since you aren't, your entire reply is pretty much off topic on that very basis.

How was my statement about Bush untrue? He was asked and didn't come up with anything.

Who's pretending that any of this matters?

I didn't say you made me out to be a conservative...I said please don't based on that but I do see where you are coming from...perhaps I would be qualified to post here based on honesty being a conservative value?

That should make you feel all warm and fuzzy even if a bit absurd.

Because, as I previously noted, the "question" was not really a "questi0n" and nobody with a brain WOULD "answer" that while running for re-election, knowing as President Bush did, that the "objective" journalists were actually fully in the tank for anybody but him and that anything he said WOULD be used as campaign material BY the opposition.

The rest of your response was gibberish. YOU chose to answer a thread where the OP directed the question to conservatives. In doing so, you were in effect labeling yourself a conservative. There is no other valid way of construing it. But, if it makes you feel good to spin (careful, you might get real dizzy), go right ahead and try. I don't care if it makes you feel cold and scratchy. Your gibberish was absurd and your posting efforts remain off topic!

Now, then: Are there no more conservatives out there who can answer the OP question?

 

[Huh?]

Because, as I previously noted, the "question" was not really a "questi0n" and nobody with a brain WOULD "answer" that while running for re-election, knowing as President Bush did, that the "objective" journalists were actually fully in the tank for anybody but him and that anything he said WOULD be used as campaign material BY the opposition.

The rest of your response was gibberish. YOU chose to answer a thread where the OP directed the question to conservatives. In doing so, you were in effect labeling yourself a conservative. There is no other valid way of construing it. But, if it makes you feel good to spin (careful, you might get real dizzy), go right ahead and try. I don't care if it makes you feel cold and scratchy. Your gibberish was absurd and your posting efforts remain off topic!

Now, then: Are there no more conservatives out there who can answer the OP question?

Of course it was a question...you just didn't like it, apparently.

Since it appears that valuing honesty is not a conservative value in your estimation I guess I should just leave you with your search for other "conservatives" who can be "honest" about the topic at hand...good luck with that.

 

[Liability]

Because, as I previously noted, the "question" was not really a "questi0n" and nobody with a brain WOULD "answer" that while running for re-election, knowing as President Bush did, that the "objective" journalists were actually fully in the tank for anybody but him and that anything he said WOULD be used as campaign material BY the opposition.

The rest of your response was gibberish. YOU chose to answer a thread where the OP directed the question to conservatives. In doing so, you were in effect labeling yourself a conservative. There is no other valid way of construing it. But, if it makes you feel good to spin (careful, you might get real dizzy), go right ahead and try. I don't care if it makes you feel cold and scratchy. Your gibberish was absurd and your posting efforts remain off topic!

Now, then: Are there no more conservatives out there who can answer the OP question?

Of course it was a question...you just didn't like it, apparently.

Since it appears that valuing honesty is not a conservative value in your estimation I guess I should just leave you with your search for other "conservatives" who can be "honest" about the topic at hand...good luck with that.

Of course it was NOT an actual "question," as all can plainly see.

It was an effort to set up a candidate, to undermine him. If he says "I have made no mistakes," he gets lambasted for arrogance, ignorance, hubris, whatever. But if he says something like, "I made an error of judgment here, here and here" THAT "answer" to the so-called "question" gets aired in all of his opponents' campaign ads from almost that moment on. Voice over for a DNC campaign spot: "Bush makes so many mistakes, even Bush has to concede he is an error-prone wanker! Vote Obama! Hope. Change. Perfection! Yes we can!"

Why do you hold honesty in such disdain?

Oh. Never mind. You'll just deny that you are actually just a lib. You remain off topic, too.

Now back to the point of this thread. Conservatives and ONLY conservatives:

Can any of you CONSERVATIVES who have not yet addressed the OP question come up with any other answers?

 

[KMAN]

I give Obama credit for some great ideas.... Unfortunately "reality" is in the way of making his ideas actually work...

 

[Care4all]

I got... no.. how about... no...oh oh ...uh...no not that either. Ok I got nothing!!!


You mentioned about the only things that I would give him an "atta boy" for.



Uh oh , now that sounded racist, I meant "atta man"!!

hahahahahahahahahaha! I can't help but see the humor in this...great come back line for those who moc those with concerns and say ALL OF THEM are racist....which simply is not true....

just as it is not true that ALL LIBERALS are socialistic scum, immoral, good for nothin's.

Care

 

[Ame®icano]

Uhm, this thread started with Obama...

And since there is nothing else good to say about Obama, starting with post #17, lets talk about Bush.

Typical, isn't it?

 

[MaggieMae]

Can it be?

Can my conservative bretheren and sister(en) really have only three or four (maybe five) good things to say about President Obama!?

Fuck it. This thread is now declared still-born.

But at least there ARE a couple of good things we, as conservatives, can say about President Obama.

That's more than most libs could manage to grunt out about the superior President, George W. Bush.

I've said many times that George Bush started out with good intentions. Remember "compassionate conservatism"?? But he soon got swept up into believing anything and everything Cheney & Co. said and did. Following the attacks of 911, the neocon principle of "starve the beast" came into full play.

When one of Bush's first acts was to take Clinton's surplus and "give it back to the people," that was a valid conservative initiative (and of course also validly opposed by the left). When he worked with Democrats on No Child Left Behind, Bush was headed in the right (correct) direction because although he is a conservative, he also knew that America was slipping badly in basic education of its children. BUT!!! He did not take into consideration that it's impossible to invade two countries and cut taxes at the same time without dramatically increasing the deficit; he did not consider that NCLB actually needed to be funded if it was to be a mandated.

I think ultimately there will be a lot of regret that George Bush himself might put in his memoirs someday. He obviously doesn't consider Cheney his BFF anymore, so Bush has already put some deep thought into some of the actions his presidency will forever be criticized for.

 

[Ringel05]

For grins and chuckles, I thought it might be interesting to see what things about President Obama make conservatives say, "Good point" or "Good job" or "Thank you!"

I will offer a few observations to get it rolling.

1. President Obama is taking the fight against the likes of al qaeda into Afghanistan (and has been doing so rather consistently since becoming President). I think these are smart moves by him and I don't mind giving him credit because I think he has earned credit for that.
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2. President Obama has indicated that he is open to keeping provisions of the USA PATRIOT Act. I realize that many of my conservative brothers and sisters hate that Act as do most liberals. That's ok. To my view, it is a practical necessity and if kept under close scrutiny (checks and balances), it is a perfectly Constitutional and proper governmental power. I give him kudos for NOT being such a doctrinaire liberal that he found it necessary to undermine our national security.
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3. President Obama (even if off the record and even if it was shoddy of Terrry Moran to report the off the record material) did say that Kanye West was a "jackass." I not only agree with that assessment of Kanye West by President Obama, but I got the impression, when I heard the tape getting played, that President Obama was being genuine. He seems, sometimes, like a real regular guy. I can't imagine agreeing with him on very much politically, but I can imagine having a brew with him and discussing many other things in a way that wouldn't be anything but a pleasant session. Objectively, my view is he deserves props for being a basically good person, even if I think he has his head up his ass most of the time politically.

I know I'm going to get slammed for this, whatever.....
I definitely agree with you on these, including #2, which most seem to have a problem with. Of course most don't really have a clue exactly what it does. The two main results were all federal intel/law enforcement agencies have finally been not only allowed but required to share information, something they were not allowed to do prior to the act. The other was to bring wire tapping into the 21st century. Now instead of having to acquire warrants for each and every phone the warrant is on/for the individual. The courts have already struck down the truly questionable aspects of the act, those apparently questionable aspects that remain are only deemed and denounced as questionable by those who have something political or selfish to gain (IMHO).

 

[Liability]

Can it be?

Can my conservative bretheren and sister(en) really have only three or four (maybe five) good things to say about President Obama!?

Fuck it. This thread is now declared still-born.

But at least there ARE a couple of good things we, as conservatives, can say about President Obama.

That's more than most libs could manage to grunt out about the superior President, George W. Bush.

I've said many times that George Bush started out with good intentions. Remember "compassionate conservatism"?? But he soon got swept up into believing anything and everything Cheney & Co. said and did. Following the attacks of 911, the neocon principle of "starve the beast" came into full play.

When one of Bush's first acts was to take Clinton's surplus and "give it back to the people," that was a valid conservative initiative (and of course also validly opposed by the left). When he worked with Democrats on No Child Left Behind, Bush was headed in the right (correct) direction because although he is a conservative, he also knew that America was slipping badly in basic education of its children. BUT!!! He did not take into consideration that it's impossible to invade two countries and cut taxes at the same time without dramatically increasing the deficit; he did not consider that NCLB actually needed to be funded if it was to be a mandated.

I think ultimately there will be a lot of regret that George Bush himself might put in his memoirs someday. He obviously doesn't consider Cheney his BFF anymore, so Bush has already put some deep thought into some of the actions his presidency will forever be criticized for.

I of course agree with essentially no part of your off-topic analysis.

 

[MaggieMae]

Can it be?

Can my conservative bretheren and sister(en) really have only three or four (maybe five) good things to say about President Obama!?

Fuck it. This thread is now declared still-born.

But at least there ARE a couple of good things we, as conservatives, can say about President Obama.

That's more than most libs could manage to grunt out about the superior President, George W. Bush.

I've said many times that George Bush started out with good intentions. Remember "compassionate conservatism"?? But he soon got swept up into believing anything and everything Cheney & Co. said and did. Following the attacks of 911, the neocon principle of "starve the beast" came into full play.

When one of Bush's first acts was to take Clinton's surplus and "give it back to the people," that was a valid conservative initiative (and of course also validly opposed by the left). When he worked with Democrats on No Child Left Behind, Bush was headed in the right (correct) direction because although he is a conservative, he also knew that America was slipping badly in basic education of its children. BUT!!! He did not take into consideration that it's impossible to invade two countries and cut taxes at the same time without dramatically increasing the deficit; he did not consider that NCLB actually needed to be funded if it was to be a mandated.

I think ultimately there will be a lot of regret that George Bush himself might put in his memoirs someday. He obviously doesn't consider Cheney his BFF anymore, so Bush has already put some deep thought into some of the actions his presidency will forever be criticized for.

I of course agree with essentially no part of your off-topic analysis.

I believe you are the one who has brought Bush into the conversation more than once. What do you expect? At least I didn't go into a rant. You've been playing nice. Keep it up.

 

[Huh?]

Of course it was NOT an actual "question," as all can plainly see.

It was an effort to set up a candidate, to undermine him. If he says "I have made no mistakes," he gets lambasted for arrogance, ignorance, hubris, whatever. But if he says something like, "I made an error of judgment here, here and here" THAT "answer" to the so-called "question" gets aired in all of his opponents' campaign ads from almost that moment on. Voice over for a DNC campaign spot: "Bush makes so many mistakes, even Bush has to concede he is an error-prone wanker! Vote Obama! Hope. Change. Perfection! Yes we can!"

Why do you hold honesty in such disdain?

Oh. Never mind. You'll just deny that you are actually just a lib. You remain off topic, too.

Now back to the point of this thread. Conservatives and ONLY conservatives:

Can any of you CONSERVATIVES who have not yet addressed the OP question come up with any other answers?

You're becoming a real liability to your own thread...

First you say it was a ridiculous question then you say it was not a question.

You are now attempting to speak for everyone.

You declare the thread stillborn and then try to bring it back to life.

And now...you try to claim I have a disdain for honesty when I'm the one who brought it up as something positive that I gave Obama credit for...sad that YOU turn the concept of Bush being dishonest into a potential talking point if he had actually been honest when in fact, it actually had an adverse effect on him by being obviously dishonest.

Why is it that you haven't jumped on any of the liberals as not being qualified to post in here, merely expressed your disagreement with their points for the most part?

Selective enforcement is not a very impressive trait...carry on.

 

[Huh?]

You've been playing nice. Keep it up.

Lol, no kidding...what happened to the Liability from years ago?

 

[Liability]

I've said many times that George Bush started out with good intentions. Remember "compassionate conservatism"?? But he soon got swept up into believing anything and everything Cheney & Co. said and did. Following the attacks of 911, the neocon principle of "starve the beast" came into full play.

When one of Bush's first acts was to take Clinton's surplus and "give it back to the people," that was a valid conservative initiative (and of course also validly opposed by the left). When he worked with Democrats on No Child Left Behind, Bush was headed in the right (correct) direction because although he is a conservative, he also knew that America was slipping badly in basic education of its children. BUT!!! He did not take into consideration that it's impossible to invade two countries and cut taxes at the same time without dramatically increasing the deficit; he did not consider that NCLB actually needed to be funded if it was to be a mandated.

I think ultimately there will be a lot of regret that George Bush himself might put in his memoirs someday. He obviously doesn't consider Cheney his BFF anymore, so Bush has already put some deep thought into some of the actions his presidency will forever be criticized for.

I of course agree with essentially no part of your off-topic analysis.

I believe you are the one who has brought Bush into the conversation more than once. What do you expect? At least I didn't go into a rant. You've been playing nice. Keep it up.

Actually, I only "brought up" President Bush in response to the posts of others who had "brought up" his name in some way. And each time, it has been off topic.

What do I expect? Damn little.

I think this thread was ALMOST still-born. It struggled to survive. But, it's probably fair to now consider it deader than Kelsey's nuts. Oh well. No big loss.

I'm not ranting, either. And I'm not either playing nice or playing poorly. I wanted to see what my fellow conservatives might have to say about President Obama that wasn't all negative. I happen to hold the President in pretty low regard -- at least politically. But even so, I see some redeeming qualities about him. It interested me to see if I could find out if I am alone in that or in a minority of conservatives or in the mainstream of conservatives.

It's not that I actually mind your responses (you and other liberals) on this thread. It's just that none of your responses actually address that question I had. Perfectly good material for some other thread. And ok, as far as it goes, for some side-discussion on this thread. Just not all that informative in terms of the actual question.

Carry on.

 

[Liability]

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Since you seem unable to learn or unwilling to do so, I took the liberty of snipping out of my quote of your post everything that is off-topic to this thread. Maybe a visual will assist you?

See?

Nothing's left.

Carry on.

 

[Liability]

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Rinse and repeat.

Carry on.

 

[Huh?]

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Since you seem unable to learn or unwilling to do so, I took the liberty of snipping out of my quote of your post everything that is off-topic to this thread. Maybe a visual will assist you?

See?

Nothing's left.

Carry on.

Well done...it was all in response to you.