Who has constitutional rights?

[WEATHER53]

Illegals?
Nope
They have legal rights but not the benefit of enhanced constitutional rights
That is reserved for citizens.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Illegals?
Nope
They have legal rights but not the benefit of enhanced constitutional rights
That is reserved for citizens.

Historical jurisprudence says you're incorrect. Anyone within our borders is afforded the rights of our Constitution.

 

[WEATHER53]

Historical jurisprudence says you're incorrect. Anyone within our borders is afforded the rights of our Constitution.

No
Not if illegally here. Now they have to be handled legally but right to vote and received monetary benefits of immigrants or citizens had not been codified yet although lib loons are pushing mightly

 

[Lord-Humungus]

Illegals?
Nope
They have legal rights but not the benefit of enhanced constitutional rights
That is reserved for citizens.

Interesting opinion depending on what rights you are talking about, buy most legal experts hold a differing opinion. How did you come to yours

 

[WEATHER53]

Liberals want fervently those who were not born here to just roll in and be considered Equal or Above Americans
Thinkers will never accept illiterate, unskilled, dubious , can’t speak language , law breakers as equals. Nor should they. 90% of those coming are of such a description. But they vote Democrat

 

[Lord-Humungus]

Liberals want fervently those who were not born here to just roll in and be considered Equal or Above Americans
Thinkers will never accept illiterate, unskilled, dubious , can’t speak language , law breakers as equals. Nor should they. 90% of those coming are of such a description. But they vote Democrat

And they keep standing on your lawn

 

[struth]

Illegals?
Nope
They have legal rights but not the benefit of enhanced constitutional rights
That is reserved for citizens.

what are "enhanced constitutional rights"? The Constitution protects everyone that is under it's jurisdiction...no matter their immigration status

 

[WEATHER53]

Interesting opinion depending on what rights you are talking about, buy most legal experts hold a differing opinion. How did you come to yours

There are things they can’t do or get that we are elegible for
One would be running for certain offices. I listed several more already
Lib loons try and construe this to meaning it’s OK to set them on fire , It isn’t. They must be treated legally. Treated adoringly not so much
The higher degree of constitutional benefits do not convey to them, legal and even humanitarian does .

 

[struth]

No
Not if illegally here. Now they have to be handled legally but right to vote and received monetary benefits of immigrants or citizens had not been codified yet although lib loons are pushing mightly

illegals, or for that matter legal aliens, don't have the right to vote, the Constitution gives that to a specific class of citizens....not even every citizen has that right.

Not sure what you mean about "right to monetary benefits" - the Constitution doesn't give anyone a right to monetary benefits...I mean unless you mean the right to earn money....

 

[MarcATL]

Illegals?
Nope
They have legal rights but not the benefit of enhanced constitutional rights
That is reserved for citizens.

Can you cite this interpretation?

 

[Lord-Humungus]

There are things they can’t do or get that we are elegible for
One would be running for certain offices. I listed several more already
Lib loons try and construe this to meaning it’s OK to set them on fire , It isn’t. They must be treated legally. Treated adoringly not so much
The higher degree of constitutional benefits do not convey to them, legal and even humanitarian does .

. Benefits are not rights. An illegal is still protected by many of the same rights as a citizen is. There is no black or white answer to your question they bear and most factual answer is it depends on the right.

 

[Foxfyre]

Illegals?
Nope
They have legal rights but not the benefit of enhanced constitutional rights
That is reserved for citizens.

Interesting thread topic. Thank you.

Our Constitution does in fact extend certain protections and legal rights to all people within the USA regardless of their citizenship status. For instance we cannot take away their property or imprison them indefinitely or otherwise harm them without using due process under the law.

But the law can say that only citizens or those holding green cards or otherwise having official permission to work can legally work for pay within the USA, that only citizens are eligible for welfare or social security or whatever, etc. And that runs us into the problem of a rogue or irresponsible President or Governor or whomever granting rights to illegals that have historically been off limits to them. For instance California not only grants driver's licenses and state welfare to migrants but wants them to have the right to vote. And we see migrants given benefits and assistance at taxpayer expense that citizens do not normally receive. The Biden administration provides phones, free or subsidized housing and transportation, and other benefits to migrants that many citizens are denied.

There are even reports that Biden has flown hundreds of thousands of migrants into the USA from foreign soil bypassing the border entirely. I have not yet confirmed if that was done, how it was done or what justification there is for it, but if true it stinks.

In short our Constitution does provide protections from intentional harm to all within our borders but does not address what limitations federal or state authorities place on what undocumented people may receive at expense of citizens. And there is no constitutional requirement to admit people who come or want to come here legally or illegally and no constitutional provision forbidding us from deporting any non citizen for any reason.

 

[martybegan]

Historical jurisprudence says you're incorrect. Anyone within our borders is afforded the rights of our Constitution.

afforded at our leisure.

If they were afforded everything we couldn't deport them without a jury trial, if at all.

 

[WEATHER53]

Interesting thread topic. Thank you.

Our Constitution does in fact extend certain protections and legal rights to all people within the USA regardless of their citizenship status. For instance we cannot take away their property or imprison them indefinitely or otherwise harm them without using due process under the law.

But the law can say that only citizens or those holding green cards or otherwise having official permission to work can legally work for pay within the USA, that only citizens are eligible for welfare or social security or whatever, etc. And that runs us into the problem of a rogue or irresponsible President or Governor or whomever granting rights to illegals that have historically been off limits to them. For instance California not only grants driver's licenses and state welfare to migrants but wants them to have the right to vote. And we see migrants given benefits and assistance at taxpayer expense that citizens do not normally receive. The Biden administration provides phones, free or subsidized housing and transportation, and other benefits to migrants that many citizens are denied.

There are even reports that Biden has flown hundreds of thousands of migrants into the USA from foreign soil bypassing the border entirely. I have not yet confirmed if that was done, how it was done or what justification there is for it, but if true it stinks.

In short our Constitution does provide protections from intentional harm to all within our borders but does not address what limitations federal or state authorities place on what undocumented people may receive at expense of citizens.

And I agree at least with your opening
Noncitizens do not have identical constitution benefits that citizens do.
Liberals are working very diligently to change that in order to garner a larger voting base.
Illegals do have to be treated legally but that’s about it

 

[Foxfyre]

And I agree at least with your opening
Noncitizens do not have identical constitution benefits that citizens do.
Liberals are working very diligently to change that in order to garner a larger voting base.
Illegals do have to be treated legally but that’s about it

For sure the Constitution does not entitle illegals to work, to vote, to receive long term--i.e. beyond what is immediately necessary for humanitarian purposes until the person can be deported--public accommodations or otherwise be considered as no different than citizens

 

[WEATHER53]

For sure the Constitution does not entitle illegals to work, to vote, to receive long term--i.e. beyond what is immediately necessary for humanitarian purposes until the person can be deported--public accommodations or otherwise be considered as no different than citizens

And that is what I have said so thank you for a reasonable point and counterpoint

 

[Natural Citizen]

The Constitution does not grant anyone rights.

It merely protects the electorate from the government taking them.

"Strictly limited''

Limited for what?

Liited for liberty!

Theoretically anyway. Usurpers don't seem to care much about it these days.

But whatever.

 

[Catsnmeters]

Illegals?
Nope
They have legal rights but not the benefit of enhanced constitutional rights
That is reserved for citizens.

Precedent says they do have constitutional rights...but not all of them.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Illegals?
Nope
They have legal rights but not the benefit of enhanced constitutional rights
That is reserved for citizens.

Sorry, but everyone has rights.

The constitution uses the words "people" and "person" rather than the word "citizen" so logically one would conclude the rights pertain to everyone.

2nd: The right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. It doesn't say the right of the CITIZEN.

https://www.oas.org/dil/access_to_information_human_right_American_Declaration_of_the_Rights_and_Duties_of_Man.pdf

Imagine the nightmare you would create if you would say if someone snuck into the country illegally they don't have a right to a fair trial anymore. That would make illegal entry a free ride straight to prison.

As much as I hate illegals, our constitution applies to everyone who is on our land. Legal citizen or not.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Historical jurisprudence says you're incorrect. Anyone within our borders is afforded the rights of our Constitution.

Including nazi saboteurs of WWII?