Forget “collusion”, it’s ALL about obstruction…..

[bendog]

Escapism for Trump loyalists often centers around the rhetoric that even if Trump did collude with Russians, collusion is not a crime.......But the rhetoric will no longer work.

There’s little doubt that trump’s legal team is in panic mode. The possibility of Trump having to testify before Mueller’s team is a scenario that must have Trump’s lawyers ready to jump out a window.

But, here’s the real “rub” that Trump’s legal team CANNOT prepate him for when facing questions by the special counsel’s team:

Questioning Trump on the general topic of the Russia investigation (collusion) leaves Trump quite a bit of room to rail, complain, and profess his ignorance. Asking him about the actions he’s personally taken to fire Comey, draft memos about ‘adoption,’ and heap dirt on the FBI gives Trump very little room to run.

When Trump made a tweet openly admitting that he had knowledge of Flynn’s lying to the FBI, one of his legal team flung himself onto the resulting dumpster fire.

While Trump denied pressuring Comey, one of his lawyers stated that it was he who drafted the tweet in question and made a mistake. Attorney John Dowd told USA TODAY that Trump did not know for sure Flynn had lied to the FBI, only that the Justice Department had raised questions about his comments regarding his contacts with Russian Ambassador Kislyak.

The idea that one of Trump’s lawyers stepped in to make this clear confession of obstruction is itself one of the most blatant lies of the whole affair. And when Dowd was caught out in his own lie about emailing the proposed tweet, he was forced to lie again by claiming he’d made a phone call to dictate the tweet.

But even though Donald Trump’s lawyers are willing to take actions that might easily get them disbarred — if not jailed — in order to save their client, a real live meeting with Mueller won’t allow much room for Trump’s lawyers protecting him.


Gloomy days ahead for both Trump and his hapless legal team.

The Senate is not going to flip, and it's not going to convict him in an impeachment charge anyway. Trump's fear is being somehow "not bigger than Lincoln." So collusion is one his mind a lot. I look forward to reading what FACTS Mueller will say there is evidence to prove as to Trump's Russian Affair. (-:

Here's the simple facts, 100% confirmed:

The FBI started its investigation into Trump's Russia connections based on info it was given by the CIA, who received it from Downer, the Australian Ambassador that George Papadopolous drunkely bragged to that he knew Moscow had dirt on Hillary Clinton in the form of hacked e-mails. Papadopolous has plead to charges that he lied to the FBI in January when they asked about his Russia connections. Since mid-2016 Papadopolous has been providing the FBI and the Special Counsel with everything he knows. So one of the big Conservative arguments that the dossier prompted a politically motivated investigation is bullshit. And since that is bullshit, then it means the FBI was investigating Trump as early as mid-2016, months before the dossier was produced and months before Simpson and Steele took their findings to the FBI.

Yeah, there's no facts to dispute that the FBI was investigating Trump/Russia before Steele came forward.

For some reason, RW nuts and nut sites seem to be misleading (lying) about search warrants and what law enforcement needs to get them. Law enforcement just need informants who provide information that in one way or another becomes more likely than not to have some factual basis. Typically that is because the informant has been used before, or as it appear now in Trump world, Papandopolus and Steele provided similar, unrelated, factual assertions.

I still think in the end all we'll see is report from Mueller that will confirm the opinions of those who think Trump is Putins bitch, and the election was a fraud, and those who are tied to Trump will just deny the facts.

Unless Trump is indicted. Which is a possibility too.

I think the chances of Mueller being the first DOJ employee calling for indicting a sitting president is around 0%. We'll get facts that justify our beliefs that Trump is not legitimately elected, and Trump fans will say the deep state lies.

 

[The Derp]

Remember; you're the same people who supported Bush the Dumber for 8 years. Then as soon as he left office and the consequences of the policies you supported were made known, you deleted all those old accounts that had pages and pages of pro-Bush posts, and created brand new accounts with clean slates so you could preserve the illusion of credibility you think you have.

You're not going to get away with it this time.

Well, new screen names are cheap and easily conjured........There will be TONS of "I never really liked Trump.....I just hated Hillary more..."

Cowardly, self-delusion, really......

Yeah, pretty much. It's bullshit unearned entitlement. They think they're entitled to their opinions, even if those opinions are completely wrong and misinformed. They will never admit that they were wrong. Their egos simply cannot handle it; that's why so many of them are drinking themselves to death out of despair. Seriously. These fucking whiners led such shitty lives that didn't turn out the way they were promised, and that despair of underachievement weighs so heavily on their delicate sensitivities that they literally try to drink the pain away.

Fuck those people. We don't need them. Drown them out.

 

[hadit]

Collusion was apparently just the ruse to get an investigator trying to dig up dirt. We're not supposed to wonder about that or whether the FISA warrants were based on falsehoods or anything like that. We're just supposed to get outraged over whatever new comes out.


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[Cellblock2429]

Escapism for Trump loyalists often centers around the rhetoric that even if Trump did collude with Russians, collusion is not a crime.......But the rhetoric will no longer work.

There’s little doubt that trump’s legal team is in panic mode. The possibility of Trump having to testify before Mueller’s team is a scenario that must have Trump’s lawyers ready to jump out a window.

But, here’s the real “rub” that Trump’s legal team CANNOT prepate him for when facing questions by the special counsel’s team:

Questioning Trump on the general topic of the Russia investigation (collusion) leaves Trump quite a bit of room to rail, complain, and profess his ignorance. Asking him about the actions he’s personally taken to fire Comey, draft memos about ‘adoption,’ and heap dirt on the FBI gives Trump very little room to run.

When Trump made a tweet openly admitting that he had knowledge of Flynn’s lying to the FBI, one of his legal team flung himself onto the resulting dumpster fire.

While Trump denied pressuring Comey, one of his lawyers stated that it was he who drafted the tweet in question and made a mistake. Attorney John Dowd told USA TODAY that Trump did not know for sure Flynn had lied to the FBI, only that the Justice Department had raised questions about his comments regarding his contacts with Russian Ambassador Kislyak.

The idea that one of Trump’s lawyers stepped in to make this clear confession of obstruction is itself one of the most blatant lies of the whole affair. And when Dowd was caught out in his own lie about emailing the proposed tweet, he was forced to lie again by claiming he’d made a phone call to dictate the tweet.

But even though Donald Trump’s lawyers are willing to take actions that might easily get them disbarred — if not jailed — in order to save their client, a real live meeting with Mueller won’t allow much room for Trump’s lawyers protecting him.


Gloomy days ahead for both Trump and his hapless legal team.

The Senate is not going to flip, and it's not going to convict him in an impeachment charge anyway. Trump's fear is being somehow "not bigger than Lincoln." So collusion is one his mind a lot. I look forward to reading what FACTS Mueller will say there is evidence to prove as to Trump's Russian Affair. (-:

Here's the simple facts, 100% confirmed:

The FBI started its investigation into Trump's Russia connections based on info it was given by the CIA, who received it from Downer, the Australian Ambassador that George Papadopolous drunkely bragged to that he knew Moscow had dirt on Hillary Clinton in the form of hacked e-mails. Papadopolous has plead to charges that he lied to the FBI in January when they asked about his Russia connections. Since mid-2016 Papadopolous has been providing the FBI and the Special Counsel with everything he knows. So one of the big Conservative arguments that the dossier prompted a politically motivated investigation is bullshit. And since that is bullshit, then it means the FBI was investigating Trump as early as mid-2016, months before the dossier was produced and months before Simpson and Steele took their findings to the FBI.

Yeah, there's no facts to dispute that the FBI was investigating Trump/Russia before Steele came forward.

For some reason, RW nuts and nut sites seem to be misleading (lying) about search warrants and what law enforcement needs to get them. Law enforcement just need informants who provide information that in one way or another becomes more likely than not to have some factual basis. Typically that is because the informant has been used before, or as it appear now in Trump world, Papandopolus and Steele provided similar, unrelated, factual assertions.

I still think in the end all we'll see is report from Mueller that will confirm the opinions of those who think Trump is Putins bitch, and the election was a fraud, and those who are tied to Trump will just deny the facts.

Yeah. Trump’s campaign manager and national security adviser had nothing to do with him. I love that story..

/----/ In criminal procedure, process crime is an offense charged by a prosecutor alleging criminal conduct related to an investigation of a crime, but not to the crime itself. Examples include obstruction of justice, perjury before a grand jury and misprision of a felony. Also it can involve a misdemeanor, but punishment of crime is much lower.
EXAMPLE
Your Uncle is accused of robbing a bank across state lines while you were in Nevada visiting a brothel. (He didn't do it) The FBI questions you and to avoid getting in a jam with your wife, you say under oath that you were volunteering at a food bank to feed the hungry. The FBI proves you were with a hooker and charges you with a process crime for lying to them. It has nothing to do with the original investigation into your Uncle. He goes free and you spend 2 years in Federal lockup. Get it now?

Oh I get it. You have no idea how corrupt and guilty Trump is. He admitted obstruction of justice on live TV. Mueller has info from where Trump stashes his cash- money laundering. And he probably has his tax returns too to show his many dealings with Putin.
Hell as fat boi was preaching to his circus " I have no business with Russia. Never have." He was actually working on putting up a Trump Tower in Moscow.
Not to mention Junior's admission: " We get most of our money from Russia.
Both of them should just turn themselves in and plead guilty and spare the tax payers the costs of the trials.

I've said that Trump should have used all the sexual harassment claims as the excuse to resign, sparing himself and his family of the public humiliation of the Special Counsel investigation, and letting him maintain his cult of victimhood. It would have also given Republicans an out so that they weren't forced to have his historically low approval rating tied to them. But they did the exact opposite, and now with 31 Conservatives not running for re-election in the House and Senate, the GOP is facing the worst possible outcome for a midterm election; even worse than what happened in 2010. Even worse than what happened in 2006 & 2008. Even worse than what happened in 1994.

But that's what you get when your ideology and agenda is so unpopular you literally have to outsource troll work to Russia because you're too lazy and untrustworthy to spread propaganda yourself. The GOP knew about Trump collusion the whole time; they were a part of it.

/----/ I love how the losing side tells the winning side what they should have done to keep winning.

You didn't win the popular vote. And you only "won" because you had outsourced troll work to Russia. You can't win elections based on the merits of your ideas and policy, so instead you rely on trolls to spread propaganda.

/----/ The popular vote is a meaningless statistic for the presidential election. You Libs are so confused by that. Who wins the World's Series, the team with the most runs or the one that wins the most games? See 1960 World's Series results for an example. And what is this troll work you speak of? I've never heard that charge before. And how many votes did Russia flip to Trump? And isn't the narrative this week that Trump really didn't want to win?

 

[The Derp]

Collusion was apparently just the ruse to get an investigator trying to dig up dirt. We're not supposed to wonder about that or whether the FISA warrants were based on falsehoods or anything like that. We're just supposed to get outraged over whatever new comes out.

What FISA warrants and what falsehoods are you alleging they were based on?

I think you're just obfuscating the thread because you know Trump's guilty af, but your pride won't let you admit it.

 

[nat4900]

We're just supposed to get outraged over whatever new comes out.

NO, no........please stay as biased, ignorant and dumb as you are now....No one really gives a fuck..Trump will ALWAYS have his 35% base of cult members....regardless of evidence.

.

 

[The Derp]

/----/ The popular vote is a meaningless statistic for the presidential election.

Which is something someone would say if they lost the popular vote. Losing the popular vote simply means you're not more popular than the other candidate.

Who wins the World's Series, the team with the most runs or the one that wins the most games? See 1960 World's Series results for an example. And what is this troll work you speak of? I've never heard that charge before. And how many votes did Russia flip to Trump? And isn't the narrative this week that Trump really didn't want to win?
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Russian propaganda reached at least 125,000,000 people on Facebook alone. If even 1% of those people were swayed by propaganda, that was enough to put Trump over the top in a few key states.

Propaganda works. That's why companies spend billions on advertising.

 

[nat4900]

The popular vote is a meaningless statistic for the presidential election. You Libs are so confused by that

Actually, you eternal idiot........it is YOUR fucked up orange clown who is STILL on campaign mode bitching about Hillary........We know that Trump won the EC.....

BUT, THIS thread is not about who the hell won....It is about what is being discovered NOW about Trump and his entourage's corrupt past.

Get THAT through your half brain and do NOT revert to Hannity's talking points.

 

[Valerie]

Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, that was all we heard. Dimwitted liberals just don't know how they have been played by their liberal elites. Stupid is as stupid votes, and they vote Democrat...

AMAZING how those who faux raged for 4 YEARS over benghazi emails, spending nearly half a BILLION dollars "investigating" and pretending to be SO concerned with foreign spies hacking our Secretary of State... NOW turn a blind eye to the guy who embraced wiki leaks and the KGB.

you trumptards are literally parroting your pathological hero right over a cliff...


The case that Trump obstructed justice just got stronger

You do realize that in Benghazi, 4 US citizen died who were under Obama's and Hitlery's protection? But "at this point what difference does it make?, shame you weren't one of those who were there in Benghazi....By the way, that was a lie by Obama who said Al Qaeda was on the run, yeah right into Benghazi.

rrrrreeeeeally, i had no idea!! (ms hillary lost a great friend and supporter that day btw)




FYI, mr fake news emo, there's a loooong history of embassy attacks where politicians had the dignity NOT to politicize.

Attacks on U.S. diplomatic facilities - Wikipedia

 

[The Derp]

And what is this troll work you speak of? I've never heard that charge before.

Yes you have and your sophistry here is very telling; your feigned ignorance of Russian trolls would seem to indicate you're one of those trolls. Your profile was created right in the middle of the Putin troll ramp-up. Your semi-literate posts read like they were fed through an internet Google Cyrillic-to-English translator. I bet if we went through all your posts with a fine tooth comb, we'd find several of those FSB-created memes you shared on these message boards.

 

[bendog]

Hadit repeats the lie that to get a warrant facts must be first proven. Search warrants are based on information that investigators say is more likely than not to have some truth, and its more likely than not that a law is being broken. There's "something" there. The point of the warrant is to FIND OUT WHAT IS THERE.

Here they had two sources saying Trump and the Russians seem to be cooking something, and it's illegal to do that. One source was inside the Trump camp. The other source was a retired Brit spy who was now a PI regularly hired by people who wanted information on Russians.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Escapism for Trump loyalists often centers around the rhetoric that even if Trump did collude with Russians, collusion is not a crime.......But the rhetoric will no longer work.

There’s little doubt that trump’s legal team is in panic mode. The possibility of Trump having to testify before Mueller’s team is a scenario that must have Trump’s lawyers ready to jump out a window.

But, here’s the real “rub” that Trump’s legal team CANNOT prepate him for when facing questions by the special counsel’s team:

Questioning Trump on the general topic of the Russia investigation (collusion) leaves Trump quite a bit of room to rail, complain, and profess his ignorance. Asking him about the actions he’s personally taken to fire Comey, draft memos about ‘adoption,’ and heap dirt on the FBI gives Trump very little room to run.

When Trump made a tweet openly admitting that he had knowledge of Flynn’s lying to the FBI, one of his legal team flung himself onto the resulting dumpster fire.

While Trump denied pressuring Comey, one of his lawyers stated that it was he who drafted the tweet in question and made a mistake. Attorney John Dowd told USA TODAY that Trump did not know for sure Flynn had lied to the FBI, only that the Justice Department had raised questions about his comments regarding his contacts with Russian Ambassador Kislyak.

The idea that one of Trump’s lawyers stepped in to make this clear confession of obstruction is itself one of the most blatant lies of the whole affair. And when Dowd was caught out in his own lie about emailing the proposed tweet, he was forced to lie again by claiming he’d made a phone call to dictate the tweet.

But even though Donald Trump’s lawyers are willing to take actions that might easily get them disbarred — if not jailed — in order to save their client, a real live meeting with Mueller won’t allow much room for Trump’s lawyers protecting him.


Gloomy days ahead for both Trump and his hapless legal team.

The Senate is not going to flip, and it's not going to convict him in an impeachment charge anyway. Trump's fear is being somehow "not bigger than Lincoln." So collusion is one his mind a lot. I look forward to reading what FACTS Mueller will say there is evidence to prove as to Trump's Russian Affair. (-:

Here's the simple facts, 100% confirmed:

The FBI started its investigation into Trump's Russia connections based on info it was given by the CIA, who received it from Downer, the Australian Ambassador that George Papadopolous drunkely bragged to that he knew Moscow had dirt on Hillary Clinton in the form of hacked e-mails. Papadopolous has plead to charges that he lied to the FBI in January when they asked about his Russia connections. Since mid-2016 Papadopolous has been providing the FBI and the Special Counsel with everything he knows. So one of the big Conservative arguments that the dossier prompted a politically motivated investigation is bullshit. And since that is bullshit, then it means the FBI was investigating Trump as early as mid-2016, months before the dossier was produced and months before Simpson and Steele took their findings to the FBI.

Yeah, there's no facts to dispute that the FBI was investigating Trump/Russia before Steele came forward.

For some reason, RW nuts and nut sites seem to be misleading (lying) about search warrants and what law enforcement needs to get them. Law enforcement just need informants who provide information that in one way or another becomes more likely than not to have some factual basis. Typically that is because the informant has been used before, or as it appear now in Trump world, Papandopolus and Steele provided similar, unrelated, factual assertions.

I still think in the end all we'll see is report from Mueller that will confirm the opinions of those who think Trump is Putins bitch, and the election was a fraud, and those who are tied to Trump will just deny the facts.

And what is this troll work you speak of? I've never heard that charge before.

Yes you have and your sophistry here is very telling; your feigned ignorance of Russian trolls would seem to indicate you're one of those trolls. Your profile was created right in the middle of the Putin troll ramp-up. Your semi-literate posts read like they were fed through an internet Google Cyrillic-to-English translator. I bet if we went through all your posts with a fine tooth comb, we'd find several of those FSB-created memes you shared on these message boards.

/----/

 

[LordBrownTrout]

No, I was against invading Iraq. W wasn't too bright. He could have used hussein as a hedge against iran.

I find that very hard to believe given your bellicose and Conservative arguments.

You find it hard to believe because you automatically assume and try to paint with a broad brush without knowing. You're not alone. Most people do.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, that was all we heard. Dimwitted liberals just don't know how they have been played by their liberal elites. Stupid is as stupid votes, and they vote Democrat...

AMAZING how those who faux raged for 4 YEARS over benghazi emails, spending nearly half a BILLION dollars "investigating" and pretending to be SO concerned with foreign spies hacking our Secretary of State... NOW turn a blind eye to the guy who embraced wiki leaks and the KGB.

you trumptards are literally parroting your pathological hero right over a cliff...


The case that Trump obstructed justice just got stronger

You do realize that in Benghazi, 4 US citizen died who were under Obama's and Hitlery's protection? But "at this point what difference does it make?, shame you weren't one of those who were there in Benghazi....By the way, that was a lie by Obama who said Al Qaeda was on the run, yeah right into Benghazi.

rrrrreeeeeally, i had no idea!! (ms hillary lost a great friend and supporter that day btw)




FYI, mr fake news emo, there's a loooong history of embassy attacks where politicians had the dignity NOT to politicize.

Attacks on U.S. diplomatic facilities - Wikipedia

Christopher Stevens: Ambassador pleaded for extra security in Libya hours before he was killed | Daily Mail Online

• U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens repeatedly pleaded with the State Department for additional security personnel

• Republicans say the Obama administration denied the request for political reasons

• The White House says it had no role in procuring security detail for Stevens

• During the Obama campaign , he kept saying that Al Qaeda was on the run, and if Obama had upped security in Benghazi, it would of shown how much of a habitual liar Obama really was. So 4 US citizens died, Hitlery lied it was a movie, and it is a shame you fuckers allow the 2 tier justice system. Shame you weren't one of those that were allowed to die by Al Qaeda in Benghazi...

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2220153/Christopher-Stevens-Ambassador-pleaded-extra-security-Libya-hours-killed.html#ixzz53tPVLbaV
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[The Derp]

No, I was against invading Iraq. W wasn't too bright. He could have used hussein as a hedge against iran.

I find that very hard to believe given your bellicose and Conservative arguments.

You find it hard to believe because you automatically assume and try to paint with a broad brush without knowing. You're not alone. Most people do.

No, I find it hard to believe because Conservatives aren't honest people. This whole thing is about how we can't trust Conservatives to be honest because they weren't about Iraq. So what makes you different from all the other Conservatives out there? What makes you so special?

 

[The Derp]

During the Obama campaign , he kept saying that Al Qaeda was on the run, and if Obama had upped security in Benghazi, it would of shown how much of a habitual liar Obama really was. So 4 US citizens died, Hitlery lied it was a movie, and it is a shame you fuckers allow the 2 tier justice system. Shame you weren't one of those that were allowed to die by Al Qaeda in Benghazi...

So your big screech is that Obama should have upped security at our consulates and embassies. So then why did you all oppose increasing that funding?!?!

As with most Conservative screeches, the problem they screech about is usually one of their own making.

 

[The Derp]

No, I was against invading Iraq. W wasn't too bright. He could have used hussein as a hedge against iran.

I find that very hard to believe given your bellicose and Conservative arguments.

You find it hard to believe because you automatically assume and try to paint with a broad brush without knowing. You're not alone. Most people do.

So we just got done talking about how you couldn't trust Conservatives...and here you are expecting me to trust you.

Why the fuck should I?

SMH.

 

[nat4900]

Christopher Stevens: Ambassador pleaded for extra security in Libya hours before he was killed | Daily Mail Online

Jason Chaffetz Admits House GOP Cut Funding For Embassy Security ...

 

[whitehall]

"Forget collusion"? Say what?

 

[nat4900]

"Forget collusion"? Say what?

Can't help your half brain understand.......Best for you to go back to bed......LOL