Faith Healing

Disir

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Jacqueline Crank was convicted of child neglect in 2012 after failing to get treatment for her fifteen year old daughter that died in 2002 of Ewing's sarcoma. Crank was sentenced to unsupervised probation for a period of 11 months. Ms. Crank had operated with the advice from a man named Ariel Sherman. He was also convicted. They both appealed their cases; however, Ariel had cancer and sought modern medical treatment but died before his case was heard. Crank argued that the Tennessee religious exemption was unconstitutional because some faith healing was ok and others were not.
Tennessee Supreme Court hears faith healing case involving teen s cancer death

Herbert and Catherine Schaible, in Pennsylvania, were court ordered to seek medic al care for their children after allowing their 2 year old child to die of pneumonia in 2009. They allowed a second child to die of pneumonia. He was 8 months old. They were convicted of third degree murder.
Faith-Healing Churches Linked to 2 Dozen Child Deaths NBC 10 Philadelphia

This past December Travis and Wenona Rossiter were convicted of first and second degree manslaughter in the 2013 death of their 12 year old diabetic daughter. Wenona’s brother had died in 1994 from Leukemia when her parents refused to seek medical treatment. Her father was convicted of criminally negligent homicide. Travis and Wenona were sentenced to a mandatory minimum of ten years each in prison. A lot of people are unhappy about that ten years. Religious defenses have been removed in Oregon. Rossiter KEZI

Consider the following:

“Just across the state line in Idaho, however, there are no such deterrents. During the same period of time, at least 12 children have died at the hands of faith-healing parents in the state, yet not a single charge has been filed. In Idaho, authorities do not investigate or prosecute faith-healing deaths, which occur largely without scrutiny from the public or media. Of the dozen documented cases in the last three years—and there are likely many more that have gone unreported—all were members of the Followers of Christ, a faith-healing group with a doctrine nearly identical to the Church of the First Born. The Followers are also active in Oregon, where they gained notoriety in the 1990s after a series of high-profile child deaths.” Why Does God Kill So Many Children in Idaho

This year may be the one where religious exemptions are finally removed from Idaho allowing parents to face criminal charges.

Children’s Health Care maintains a list of state civil code exemptions

http://childrenshealthcare.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/State-exemptions-civil4.pdf

and a list of state criminal code exemptions

http://childrenshealthcare.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/State-exemptions-criminal2.pdf

By and large if there are any repercussions at all they are limited to neglect of children. Fortunately (or unfortunately) adults can do as they wish. The problem is that their lack of critical thinking and irresponsible behavior creates problems for the public.

The 2013 measles outbreak in north Texas was tied to Eagle Mountain International Church. Kenneth Copeland advocated against vaccinations. Ohio experienced the largest outbreak this past year due to the Amish missionaries. In both outbreaks adults that had not been vaccinated traveled to another country and brought it back to the states.
Measles Outbreak Traces To Vaccine-Refusing Megachurch - Forbes

The result?

"Franklin Park Pediatrics sent a letter last week to patients that said they have a year to comply with the new policy. “If you cannot or will not fully vaccinate your child/children by June 1, 2015, please understand that you will choose to leave our practice (seek medical care elsewhere.)”
“Due to recent outbreaks of measles, mumps, and whooping cough, and a recent influx of unvaccinated children, we have decided to keep our office a safe environment,” said Dr. John McBride, who is one of six physicians in the Franklin Park Pediatrics group, which treats more than 14,000 patients." http://www.toledoblade.com/Medical/2014/06/07/Doctor-group-declines-care-to-unvaccinated-1.html#Fq0hvhU7vViE7gu3.99
(Luddly first posted this back in June)

The CDC reported that between January 1 to November 29 of 2014 there were 610 reported cases of the measles. It’s the highest number since 2000. Measles Cases and Outbreaks CDC

The reason that we don't fund or support faith healing is because it has already been explored and abandoned.

What’s the harm maintains a list (that desperately needs to be updated) of woo cases as well.
http://whatstheharm.net/scientificstudies.html
 
You can take your child to the doctor and pray for them too. One is not a contradiction of the other!
 
Absolutely connected.

When you are in your silly atheist mode, you are simply silly, LN.
 
Absolutely connected.

When you are in your silly atheist mode, you are simply silly, LN.

JakeStarkey

The OP details cases of neglecting a child's health and depending instead, on prayer to heal.

That's a far cry from taking your child to the doctor and praying in addition to medical care.
 
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Would you all dispense with the semantics?

Brotches. :slap:

What semantics? No was pretty cut and dry.
Jerms posited an interrogatory that is certainly correlative to the OP. Why jump her ass? :dunno:

Brotch. :slap:

Jerm is on ignore. It didn't read any of what I posted. It did not wanted to address the issues presented.It wanted to make one up. Jake wanted to troll Luddley and didn't read the information and failed to even demonstrate any connection.

If you want to fight then pick a damn good one.:slap:
 
Would you all dispense with the semantics?

Brotches. :slap:

What semantics? No was pretty cut and dry.
Jerms posited an interrogatory that is certainly correlative to the OP. Why jump her ass? :dunno:

Brotch. :slap:

Jerm is on ignore. It didn't read any of what I posted. It did not wanted to address the issues presented.It wanted to make one up. Jake wanted to troll Luddley and didn't read the information and failed to even demonstrate any connection.

If you want to fight then pick a damn good one.:slap:
So what? You weak little brotch- putting Jerms on ignore?

Conceited arrogant fuck.
 
Would you all dispense with the semantics?

Brotches. :slap:

What semantics? No was pretty cut and dry.
Jerms posited an interrogatory that is certainly correlative to the OP. Why jump her ass? :dunno:

Brotch. :slap:

Jerm is on ignore. It didn't read any of what I posted. It did not wanted to address the issues presented.It wanted to make one up. Jake wanted to troll Luddley and didn't read the information and failed to even demonstrate any connection.

If you want to fight then pick a damn good one.:slap:
So what? You weak little brotch- putting Jerms on ignore?

Conceited arrogant fuck.

If brotch is all you have then you should probably pack a lunch.

You're jealous. And drunk.
 
Would you all dispense with the semantics?

Brotches. :slap:

What semantics? No was pretty cut and dry.
Jerms posited an interrogatory that is certainly correlative to the OP. Why jump her ass? :dunno:

Brotch. :slap:

Jerm is on ignore. It didn't read any of what I posted. It did not wanted to address the issues presented.It wanted to make one up. Jake wanted to troll Luddley and didn't read the information and failed to even demonstrate any connection.

If you want to fight then pick a damn good one.:slap:
So what? You weak little brotch- putting Jerms on ignore?

Conceited arrogant fuck.

If brotch is all you have then you should probably pack a lunch.

You're jealous. And drunk.
Then you tell me - are you a bro or are you a bitch?

Or are you... a brotch?
 
Absolutely connected.

When you are in your silly atheist mode, you are simply silly, LN.

No.
Yes, since atheists don't understand the spiritual and can't prove faith healing does not work, all they can offer is silly opinion.

Prayer and medical attention should both be used, but those on the far sides of the issue who ignore both alternatives have only silly comments to offer.
 
Would you all dispense with the semantics?

Brotches. :slap:

What semantics? No was pretty cut and dry.
Jerms posited an interrogatory that is certainly correlative to the OP. Why jump her ass? :dunno:

Brotch. :slap:

Jerm is on ignore. It didn't read any of what I posted. It did not wanted to address the issues presented.It wanted to make one up. Jake wanted to troll Luddley and didn't read the information and failed to even demonstrate any connection.

If you want to fight then pick a damn good one.:slap:

LN and Disir were treated with what they deserved, disdain. They offered nothing of worth to the OP.
 
Would you all dispense with the semantics?

Brotches. :slap:

What semantics? No was pretty cut and dry.
Jerms posited an interrogatory that is certainly correlative to the OP. Why jump her ass? :dunno:

Brotch. :slap:

Jerm is on ignore. It didn't read any of what I posted. It did not wanted to address the issues presented.It wanted to make one up. Jake wanted to troll Luddley and didn't read the information and failed to even demonstrate any connection.

If you want to fight then pick a damn good one.:slap:

LN and Disir were treated with what they deserved, disdain. They offered nothing of worth to the OP.
So what else is new around here?

Brotch. :slap:
 
Absolutely connected.

When you are in your silly atheist mode, you are simply silly, LN.

No.
Yes, since atheists don't understand the spiritual and can't prove faith healing does not work, all they can offer is silly opinion.

Prayer and medical attention should both be used, but those on the far sides of the issue who ignore both alternatives have only silly comments to offer.

No. Go back and read the OP. It isn't about prayer and medical attention. I understand reading comprehension is not one of your stronger suits.
 
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What semantics? No was pretty cut and dry.
Jerms posited an interrogatory that is certainly correlative to the OP. Why jump her ass? :dunno:

Brotch. :slap:

Jerm is on ignore. It didn't read any of what I posted. It did not wanted to address the issues presented.It wanted to make one up. Jake wanted to troll Luddley and didn't read the information and failed to even demonstrate any connection.

If you want to fight then pick a damn good one.:slap:
So what? You weak little brotch- putting Jerms on ignore?

Conceited arrogant fuck.

If brotch is all you have then you should probably pack a lunch.

You're jealous. And drunk.
Then you tell me - are you a bro or are you a bitch?

Or are you... a brotch?

Grow up. I do not have patience for drunk aging men in the throes of a perpetual midlife crisis.
 
Would you all dispense with the semantics?

Brotches. :slap:

What semantics? No was pretty cut and dry.
Jerms posited an interrogatory that is certainly correlative to the OP. Why jump her ass? :dunno:

Brotch. :slap:

Jerm is on ignore. It didn't read any of what I posted. It did not wanted to address the issues presented.It wanted to make one up. Jake wanted to troll Luddley and didn't read the information and failed to even demonstrate any connection.

If you want to fight then pick a damn good one.:slap:

LN and Disir were treated with what they deserved, disdain. They offered nothing of worth to the OP.

You didn't read it.
 

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