Drillers - School Is In Session

[HoleInTheVoid]

A 2005 estimate set the total world resources of oil shale at 411 gigatons — enough to yield 2.8 to 3.3 trillion barrels (520 km3) of shale oil.[2][3][4][5] This exceeds the world's proven conventional oil reserves, estimated at 1.317 trillion barrels (209.4×109 m3), as of 1 January 2007.[22] The largest deposits in the world occur in the United States in the Green River basin, which covers portions of Colorado, Utah, and Wyoming; about 70% of this resource is located on federally owned or managed land.[23] Deposits in the United States constitute 62% of world resources;

Oil shale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So if the US has 60% of (rounded) 3 trillion barrels that's 1.8 trillion barrels.

If we use 20 million barrels a day = 90,000 days (246 years) of oil from wholly domestic sources.

 

[Remey688]

No one has addressed US gases and oil containing minerals that can be converted to gasoline--natural gas, oil shale and coal. The technology is there. The Germans converted coal to run their military and civilian vehicle for the last year of combat in WWII. We have a bunch of coal and more shale and a great supply of natural gas that can come into play for vehicle fuel as well. The vehicle conversion for the latter is not expensive.

 

[politicalguy]

Republican Congressman John Peterson has been known to state that if America does not become independent from foreign energy the USA will become a second rate nation. John Gambling who interviewed him this morning agreed that there has never been an effective energy policy by the government and the 50,000 lobbyists in DC need to be replaced by the citizens.

To help educate citizens on the issues, WOR radio has put up a useful tool on their website WOR News Talk Radio 710 HD - Headline driven talk and opinion - the news that matters - lifestyle features that lists all the decisions made by the Northeast Tri-State legislatures concerning energy. Check it out!

 

[Andrew2382]

So, you believe in drilling.

OK, here's what drilling will get us, now try to pay attention, this is according to the "World Fact Book" written by the CIA.

US proven oil reserves are 21.76 billion barrels.
US daily consumption is 20.73 million barrels a day.(2004 numbers)
Of that the US Imports about 60% or 12.41 million barrels a day.(T.Boone says its almost 70%)
So if we exploited all proven reserves tomorrow (an impossability) we could be free of imported oil for about 4.8 years after which we would have no oil reserves and would be importing 100% of our oil. Even if we explored under every square foot of America and could somehow double our national reserves (very doubtful) that would only give us less than ten years at which point we would be entirely dependent on imported oil and without any reserves.

Finally, what makes you think that if we did exploit our reserves that America would get any of that oil? It wouldn't belong to America, it would belong to the multi national oil corps. who will simply sell it to the highest bidder, China, India, whoever.

wow, you are dense.

Apparently you never heard of Oil Shale have you?

TH ewhole middle east combined has an estimated 300+ billions of barrel sof oil left.

In the states of Utah, Nevada we have an estimated 900- 1.3 trillion barrells of oil through Oil Shale! That's 3 times the middle east combined! That doesn't include ANWR, or the OCS.

We have enough oil on our own lands to provide energy for the next 400 years.

We have the technology for it as well, Shell Corp has dumped over 3 billion dollars in Shale Tech and are ready to use it. However, the shale is on federal lands and the dems have blocked every bill for research and development.

By drilling we can also purchase our oil on our own lands and cut our imports by half. Our dollar stays within our borders and makes it stronger and our allies can purchasse oil from us.

School is in session

 

[Remey688]

No one has addressed US gases and oil containing minerals that can be converted to gasoline--natural gas, oil shale and coal. The technology is there. The Germans converted coal to run their military and civilian vehicle for the last year of combat in WWII. We have a bunch of coal and more shale and a great supply of natural gas that can come into play for vehicle fuel as well. The vehicle conversion for the latter is not expensive.

We also have the technology to produce hydrogen onboard vehicles. This unit would be powered by a second alternator. Hydrogen can be added to stored fuels, gasoline, diesel, natural gas et al. This can increase vehicle MPG dramatically. Hydrogen is clean burning with water as exhaust.

 

[Walt]

None of you need to fear! The government is on top of this situation and is working dillagently to lessen our dependance on foreign oil.

The Department of Energy was instituted 8-04-1977. Their job? To LESSEN our dependance on foreign oil.

Now it is 2008, 31 years later, and the budget for this necessary and productive department is $24.2 billion per year, 16,000 federal employees, and approximatly 100,000 contract employees and look at the outstanding job they are doing.

We are also producing LESS oil now than we were in the 70s and 80s.

Back in the late ’70s and early ’80s, the United States was producing between 8.5-9 million barrels per day of crude oil. As of the end of 2005, total crude oil produced in the United States has dropped to just over 5 million barrels per day. The United States is broken down into five different regions, called PADDs: Petroleum Administration for Defense District. PADD III is the largest producer of oil, almost 3 million barrels per day, and you can easily guess that Texas and the Gulf are included in that PADD. The West coast is PADD V which consists of Alaska, California and Federal offshore drilling. PADD V produces about 1.5 million barrels per day with 864 thousand of those barrels per day from Alaska. The total Alaskan crude production of oil represents 16 percent of all the oil produced in the United States, so losing 400,000 barrels per day represents 7.8 (or rounded to 8) percent of the U.S. production of crude oil.

I cannot post links yet so here is the title to the latter article.

Pipeline Perils
Shutting down part of the Alaskan pipeline is no small matter -- why it was done and its effects explained.

 

[politicalguy]

It is difficult to make a decision on how one feels about drilling, or energy conservation and so on because it effects everyone differently.

For example, it is easy for a farmer in Wisconsin to agree to having drilling start off the shores of Jersey. Meanwhile, New Jersey doesn't want the drilling to impede on their tourism economy.

New Yorkers want wind energy...but are huge windmills on top of skyscrapers safe, efficient, and visually appealing?

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It's easy and allows you to see the effects of lobbying and whether or not your politician is looking out for YOUR best interest!

 

[editec]

Storing wind power energy is as easy as water rolling downhill, folks.

All these potential solutions will be part of the energy miz, I expect.

Different places and different applications to fit the location and application.

I honestly can't see what any of you are really arguing about.

 

[Remey688]

You're getting desperite now. That's right there is nothing wrong with the numbers I gave but there is with the numbers you pulled out of thin air.

Unproven reserves don't exist, they are unproven! And you think it is smart to base our future on something which may not ever materialize.

Wind and solar are both very reliable now, there's been thirty years of development incoporated into designs. The biggest inhibitor to wind right now is the need for transmission lines to the areas of suitable winds, still wind farms are springing up all over the country. Solar (PV) is also highly reliable but it needs mass production and a competitive market to drive the price down to the point of economic competitiveness.

Oil shale is the real pipe dream, it produces only 25% more energy than it consumes in the 'refining' process. Same problem as ethanol.

You are correct relative to ethanol vs energy consumed in producing it. The energy consumed is electricity, and it can be inexpensively produced by wind-farms near the production facility, or building the facilities near hydroelectric dams.